OT: Trump Truth

[twalsh]

there were basically only deep-red senate seats up for election - no one expected the dems to win the senate (even the "fake news")... there was actually a question as to whether the dems would win the house - the answer was a resounding "yes"... 23 seats needed, 40 gained, the most since 1974... I don't see how you can spin that as anything but an ass whooping directed at Trump...

In all honesty I am not too concerned about it. I figure two things can happen. One is that the Dems go on an obstructionist bent, start all these investigations they are threatening, they alienate the center and independents, and they get pummeled in 2020. The other is that they try to work with Trump's historically moderate leanings and get some things done with him. That is good for everyone. I actually believe that Dem leadership knows that latter route is the one to take. It's a matter of convincing the newly elected Dems of that. And that might be a formidable challenge.

 

[Patrirish]

but what did lowering of taxes accomplish? It increased the debt to 21t and .87 on the dollar went to the wealthy.

Would you say that someone making $ 500,000 a year; $ 1,000,000 a year; $ 1,500,000 or $ 2,000,000 is wealthy ?

Show me how the Trump tax plan benefits them, especially if they live in N.Y., N.J., CT., CA or IL.

 

[Patrirish]

It’s a convenient message the right likes to deliver but Trump still has a 38% base and there are many right wing publications, radio show , cable channels all genuflecting to him. So one sided? Overwhelming support? What exactly does that mean to you? If the president says something and it is reported on does that make the news outlet anti trump? Trump creates his own problems, he says things that are false and gets called out on it. He insults people, ( sometimes crippled people), he lies—-frequently, he exaggerates, he denigrates our strongest allies. He ignores experienced advisors and takes council from his daughter and son in law.

Barnon100,

How do you know that Trump takes council from his daughter and son in law ? Are you in the meetings with them ?

Do you think that Trump’s advisors or any President’s advisors are in harmony with one another ? Comeplete unison ?

One only has to look at the contradictory advice that JFK’s advisors provided during the Cuban missle crisis to understand that nothing is black and white as you implied.

Did Trump say that “if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.”
Or
“If you like your health insurance you can keep your health insurance”

The main stream media is so anti-Trump that it’s overwhelming, so much so that the Washington Post reported that 93 % of journalists voted Democratic, so i’ll concede that the conservative/right wing media accounts for 7 % of political coverage. In terms of the mainstream media one could equate the scope and impact of their influence to that of a tsunami’s influence and impact on beachcombers.

Now i’ll grant you that Trump could use a filter between his brain and his mouth, but, he’s unvarnished and not a seasoned politician, he’s a New York City Real Estate developer, and that directness, including brash/crass comments is what got him elected. He’s direct to a fault.

What I find refreshing is that for the most part he answers direct questions directly, where for as long as I can remember, most politicians rarely provide a direct answer to any direct question when they’re interviewed.

One can be a smooth talker, a pied piper or a preacher and achieve modest accomplishments while others can lack the ability to be articulate yet accomplish a good deal more.

Policy, not personality should be the defining quality

 

[Patrirish]

not the only one - what's his approval rating, 40%? lost the most seats in the house since Watergate, didn't he?

That’s not true.

Obama lost far more house seats in the mid-term

 

[deadirishpoet]

Would you say that someone making $ 500,000 a year; $ 1,000,000 a year; $ 1,500,000 or $ 2,000,000 is wealthy ?

Show me how the Trump tax plan benefits them, especially if they live in N.Y., N.J., CT., CA or IL.

100% correct

 

[deadirishpoet]

Barnon100,

How do you know that Trump takes council from his daughter and son in law ? Are you in the meetings with them ?

Do you think that Trump’s advisors or any President’s advisors are in harmony with one another ? Comeplete unison ?

One only has to look at the contradictory advice that JFK’s advisors provided during the Cuban missle crisis to understand that nothing is black and white as you implied.

Did Trump say that “if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.”
Or
“If you like your health insurance you can keep your health insurance”

The main stream media is so anti-Trump that it’s overwhelming, so much so that the Washington Post reported that 93 % of journalists voted Democratic, so i’ll concede that the conservative/right wing media accounts for 7 % of political coverage. In terms of the mainstream media one could equate the scope and impact of their influence to that of a tsunami’s influence and impact on beachcombers.

Now i’ll grant you that Trump could use a filter between his brain and his mouth, but, he’s unvarnished and not a seasoned politician, he’s a New York City Real Estate developer, and that directness, including brash/crass comments is what got him elected. He’s direct to a fault.

What I find refreshing is that for the most part he answers direct questions directly, where for as long as I can remember, most politicians rarely provide a direct answer to any direct question when they’re interviewed.

One can be a smooth talker, a pied piper or a preacher and achieve modest accomplishments while others can lack the ability to be articulate yet accomplish a good deal more.

Policy, not personality should be the defining quality

I wish I could put 1,000,000 likes on that post

 

[baron100]

Barnon100,

How do you know that Trump takes council from his daughter and son in law ? Are you in the meetings with them ?

Do you think that Trump’s advisors or any President’s advisors are in harmony with one another ? Comeplete unison ?

One only has to look at the contradictory advice that JFK’s advisors provided during the Cuban missle crisis to understand that nothing is black and white as you implied.

Did Trump say that “if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.”
Or
“If you like your health insurance you can keep your health insurance”

The main stream media is so anti-Trump that it’s overwhelming, so much so that the Washington Post reported that 93 % of journalists voted Democratic, so i’ll concede that the conservative/right wing media accounts for 7 % of political coverage. In terms of the mainstream media one could equate the scope and impact of their influence to that of a tsunami’s influence and impact on beachcombers.

Now i’ll grant you that Trump could use a filter between his brain and his mouth, but, he’s unvarnished and not a seasoned politician, he’s a New York City Real Estate developer, and that directness, including brash/crass comments is what got him elected. He’s direct to a fault.

What I find refreshing is that for the most part he answers direct questions directly, where for as long as I can remember, most politicians rarely provide a direct answer to any direct question when they’re interviewed.

One can be a smooth talker, a pied piper or a preacher and achieve modest accomplishments while others can lack the ability to be articulate yet accomplish a good deal more.

Policy, not personality should be the defining quality

Well for starters why did you have to lie about the Washington Post article? You’re a fraud irishpat and you know it. The article actually said most journalists identify themselves as independents , 28 % down from 50% identify as democrats and 7% identify themselves as republicans down from 16%. Your other points are equally inane—- he’s given Kushner an important and expanding portfolio and constantly praises him, so I guess all reports that he has trumps hear are false—- only makes sense in the lying world of irishpat. I have no idea how your point about presidential advisors working in absolute harmony has anything to do with what I said. Invoking an Obama lie, so what? Who’s denying that? Does that mean it’s ok for trump the habitual lier to make things up—- like irishpat? I do agree policy trumps impressionistic speech. Having said that, given republican control of house and senate Trump hasn’t accomplished much. Now with house in democratic hands we will see what this “unvarnished unseasoned politician “ can do. Good luck to all of us

 

[deadirishpoet]

Well for starters why did you have to lie about the Washington Post article? You’re a fraud irishpat and you know it. The article actually said most journalists identify themselves as independents , 28 % down from 50% identify as democrats and 7% identify themselves as republicans down from 16%. Your other points are equally inane—- he’s given Kushner an important and expanding portfolio and constantly praises him, so I guess all reports that he has trumps hear are false—- only makes sense in the lying world of irishpat. I have no idea how your point about presidential advisors working in absolute harmony has anything to do with what I said. Invoking an Obama lie, so what? Who’s denying that? Does that mean it’s ok for trump the habitual lier to make things up—- like irishpat? I do agree policy trumps impressionistic speech. Having said that, given republican control of house and senate Trump hasn’t accomplished much. Now with house in democratic hands we will see what this “unvarnished unseasoned politician “ can do. Good luck to all of us

We've seen what a democratic controlled house did with the banking system and healthcare causing the meltdown of healthcare and trying the hands of banks forcing them to give loans to people who couldnt make the payments.


You chose not to see the accomplishment of this administration did with Congress I guess the recent justice reform was no big deal? Banning bump stocks?
Job creation at an all time high unemployment at an all time low
Clamping down on Russia more then any ongress in recent time with president Trump's blessing
The Democrats intentionally didn't work with the president. They sent the precedent and try not to forget the Senate and the power they hold

Don't get me wrong the never Trumpers in Congress did themselves no favors and lost their seats and McCain won't be a stumbling block anymore. Good bye Flake.

We will see if this democratic Congress will work with the president much like the Republican Congress did with president Clinton but my guess is no. Your party have actual socialist that are looking to dismantle the constitution how do them Democrats intend to keep them under control?

I listen to alot of Democrats screaming the 10th amendment. .we will see if they truly believe that now.

 

[Patrirish]

Well for starters why did you have to lie about the Washington Post article? You’re a fraud irishpat and you know it. The article actually said most journalists identify themselves as independents , 28 % down from 50% identify as democrats and 7% identify themselves as republicans down from 16%. Your other points are equally inane—- he’s given Kushner an important and expanding portfolio and constantly praises him, so I guess all reports that he has trumps hear are false—- only makes sense in the lying world of irishpat. I have no idea how your point about presidential advisors working in absolute harmony has anything to do with what I said. Invoking an Obama lie, so what? Who’s denying that? Does that mean it’s ok for trump the habitual lier to make things up—- like irishpat? I do agree policy trumps impressionistic speech. Having said that, given republican control of house and senate Trump hasn’t accomplished much. Now with house in democratic hands we will see what this “unvarnished unseasoned politician “ can do. Good luck to all of us

The headline for the article stated that only 7 % favored Trump.

As to journalists identifying “themselves” as “independents” that’s a joke that only a fool would accept as factual.

Actions speak louder than self assessments.

Out of 1,353 journalists at NBC, CBS and ABC, 1,160 donated to Democrats and 193 donated to Republicans.

You do the math and tell us how those percentages equate to anything other than 86 % Democrat.

Then look at the Harvard survey that found CNN’s negative reporting at 93 %; NBC 93 %; CBS 91 %; NYT 87 %; WP 83 %; WSJ 70 %.

Do any of those numbers come close to your 28 % ? ? ?

So, we agree that only 7 % favor Trump.
As to the other 93 %, actions speak louder than words, especially the words of a disingenuous media.

As to Kushner, he’s very bright.
Tell us exactly what Kushner’s responsibilities are.
Why wouldn’t Trump praise him ?

What reports that he has Trump’s ear ?
Who provided those reports ?

On one hand you state that Trump doesn’t listen to his advisers and then you contradict yourself by stating that he listens to Kushner advising him. Make up your mind.

You should know that Trump listens to everyone, then makes his own decisions. Isn’t that what all CEO’s do?

Since you didn’t get my point about your complaint that Trump doesn’t listen to his advisers I thought that I would point out to you that Presidential advisors often have conflicting opinions, so how do you know which advisers Trump listens to ?

As to Trump not having accomplished much while in office, you don’t consider his two SCOTUS appointments and numerous Federal and Circuit Court Jdge appointments significant ? ? ?

Here’s a partial list of accomplishments for you

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...-in-just-20-months-relentless-promise-keeping

Obama lied, Hillary lied, but you found nothing wrong with that.
And they lied on policy issues.

I never said that I approved of lying, but you’re a hypocrite, you give Obama and Hillary a pass and complain about Trump.

I know one thing, 2016 presented us with two flawed candidates, but Trump changed the trajectory of America for the better in spite of incredible headwinds, an attempted palace coup and unprecedented negative media bias.

 

[thehellyousay]

That’s not true.

Obama lost far more house seats in the mid-term

Republican losses...

 

[thehellyousay]

In all honesty I am not too concerned about it. I figure two things can happen. One is that the Dems go on an obstructionist bent, start all these investigations they are threatening, they alienate the center and independents, and they get pummeled in 2020. The other is that they try to work with Trump's historically moderate leanings and get some things done with him. That is good for everyone. I actually believe that Dem leadership knows that latter route is the one to take. It's a matter of convincing the newly elected Dems of that. And that might be a formidable challenge.

he didn't get in power by appealing to the moderate, and I don't see him abandoning that... besides that, his MO is to demean people that don't accept his utter dominance, which isn't really conducive to compromise building... hell, the guy mocks his own party when they don't kiss his ass... and yeah, he said himself (years ago) that he identifies more with Democrats on a lot of issues, but none of that matters - it's a game to him, and above all else, he wants to win, win big, and to gloat when he does win... it's about his personality, not his politics...

I think Pelosi is smart enough to know not to overplay her hand - if the new crop of dems had managed to oust her, you could pretty much guarantee that they would do exactly as you said... I think they will go after his tax returns (which they absolutely should), and otherwise pick their battles... they will definitely hold their cards close until after the Mueller findings are made public...

 

[GoldCountryND]

I think at this point he’s beyond Fckd. 4 years and out if he lasts that long. It’s a total cluster F at this point.

 

[deadirishpoet]

he didn't get in power by appealing to the moderate, and I don't see him abandoning that... besides that, his MO is to demean people that don't accept his utter dominance, which isn't really conducive to compromise building... hell, the guy mocks his own party when they don't kiss his ass... and yeah, he said himself (years ago) that he identifies more with Democrats on a lot of issues, but none of that matters - it's a game to him, and above all else, he wants to win, win big, and to gloat when he does win... it's about his personality, not his politics...

I think Pelosi is smart enough to know not to overplay her hand - if the new crop of dems had managed to oust her, you could pretty much guarantee that they would do exactly as you said... I think they will go after his tax returns (which they absolutely should), and otherwise pick their battles... they will definitely hold their cards close until after the Mueller findings are made public...

Go after his tax plan and wreck the economy?
That's a great idea. ..librals being libral. Sure bring in less tax dallors more money heading back overseas
I bet you support allowing these big libral cities to write their state taxes off again.
You cats never learn
And dont forget about the new crop of actual socialist ....have fun with them.
Btw you forget the Republicans hold the Senate and no more McCain or Flake to muddy the waters

 

[rgc7]

he didn't get in power by appealing to the moderate, and I don't see him abandoning that... besides that, his MO is to demean people that don't accept his utter dominance, which isn't really conducive to compromise building... hell, the guy mocks his own party when they don't kiss his ass... and yeah, he said himself (years ago) that he identifies more with Democrats on a lot of issues, but none of that matters - it's a game to him, and above all else, he wants to win, win big, and to gloat when he does win... it's about his personality, not his politics...

I think Pelosi is smart enough to know not to overplay her hand - if the new crop of dems had managed to oust her, you could pretty much guarantee that they would do exactly as you said... I think they will go after his tax returns (which they absolutely should), and otherwise pick their battles... they will definitely hold their cards close until after the Mueller findings are made public...

 

[rgc7]

“ Go after Trump’s tax returns ? I think the country has a lot bigger problems that our elected officials should be working on, than trying to harass the President on his tax returns ? After all , like all Americans, the President does have to submit his tax return to the IRS ! As far as I know he submits his tax returns every year ? Can you even begin to comprehend the complexity of the President’s tax returns from a global real estate enterprise like President
Trumps ? How many years of debate, tax accountants, lawyers, etc are involved in preparing
Such a return ? How many members of Congress would even be able to understand such
A return ? What a Circus That would be. Years of endless Congressional hearings with parades of accountants and tax “Experts” being asked asinine questions by Congress people
who understand as much about the complexities of a real estate operation as. Joe Smo
Who works as a clerk in Walmart does !
If that is what you want, How about this: Let’s make a law that all members of Congress as well as Hill, Bill, and Obama all make their tax returns public ? Then have Obama show a genuine birth certificate!
On second though, I still think the country has a lot bigger problems than any public officials tax returns or birth certificates or endless Witch Hunts !
I personally am more concerned with the National Debt, cutting wasteful and unnecessary programs, health care, nation defense, jobs, taxes, immigration reform, border security,etc !
Right now we are on a very slippery slop, where if my Presidential candidate gets elected Your party tries to remove him from office by any and all means possible. Then the next time Your Candidate wins, my party also tries to overthrough your President !
I don’t think that any sane American would really like to see that happening, so why are
You and the Democrats like Some of the Screwballs in Congress advocating it ?
What you and the Left are advocating is “ Death to America “ by suicide !
We can just Paralyze the country by trying to overthrow each other’s elected president instead of respecting the election results and trying to reach agreement and making our country stronger?
Iran and our other eminies are only chanting “ Death to America “ , the Left, knowingly or not, is actually Trying to do it !

 

[twalsh]

he didn't get in power by appealing to the moderate, and I don't see him abandoning that... besides that, his MO is to demean people that don't accept his utter dominance, which isn't really conducive to compromise building... hell, the guy mocks his own party when they don't kiss his ass... and yeah, he said himself (years ago) that he identifies more with Democrats on a lot of issues, but none of that matters - it's a game to him, and above all else, he wants to win, win big, and to gloat when he does win... it's about his personality, not his politics...

I think Pelosi is smart enough to know not to overplay her hand - if the new crop of dems had managed to oust her, you could pretty much guarantee that they would do exactly as you said... I think they will go after his tax returns (which they absolutely should), and otherwise pick their battles... they will definitely hold their cards close until after the Mueller findings are made public...

If I were him, I'd fight disclosing his tax returns right to the end. Tax returns for commercial real estate developers are super complex, and 99% of the public isn't going to understand them at all. So that same 99% is going to draw their conclusions from how the media reports on the tax returns, and we all know how that's going to go, sensationalism on steroids. Somehow they will spin a person legally following the US tax code to be an immoral criminal who screws the public out its rightful tax revenue. Trump's returns are most likely audited by the IRS every year, so there's very little chance of any malfeasance in his taxes.

It's going to end up in court, and it will come down to whether the Dems can convince a judge they have justification for a subpoena requiring him to disclose his returns. That will be the battle, and Trump can likely stretch it out past the 2020 election.

 

[NIN Irish]

If I were him, I'd fight disclosing his tax returns right to the end. Tax returns for commercial real estate developers are super complex, and 99% of the public isn't going to understand them at all. So that same 99% is going to draw their conclusions from how the media reports on the tax returns, and we all know how that's going to go, sensationalism on steroids. Somehow they will spin a person legally following the US tax code to be an immoral criminal who screws the public out its rightful tax revenue. Trump's returns are most likely audited by the IRS every year, so there's very little chance of any malfeasance in his taxes.

It's going to end up in court, and it will come down to whether the Dems can convince a judge they have justification for a subpoena requiring him to disclose his returns. That will be the battle, and Trump can likely stretch it out past the 2020 election.

Sounds like you think there’s something to hide. If not, release them like he promised over and over during the campaign.
They should change his rally slogan to promise made, promise broken.

 

[twalsh]

Sounds like you think there’s something to hide. If not, release them like he promised over and over during the campaign.
They should change his rally slogan to promise made, promise broken.

I don't think there's one iota to hide. Did you even read the post? You hide when you've done something wrong, and given that he's audited every year, odds are he's done nothing wrong. It will be the interpretation of what he's done right that will be the story. And if you are Trump, what would make you believe that he'll get a fair shake in that process.

 

[ThomasSowell]

His tax returns were released and he paid more in one year than every neck-beard basement dwelling 3 bill bernie sanders supporter will in their entire lifetime

 

[NIN Irish]

I don't think there's one iota to hide. Did you even read the post? You hide when you've done something wrong, and given that he's audited every year, odds are he's done nothing wrong. It will be the interpretation of what he's done right that will be the story. And if you are Trump, what would make you believe that he'll get a fair shake in that process.

Did you even read the post? I’m not saying he did something wrong. I’m saying he’s hiding what’s in his taxes. After all, every president has since the 60s. There should be no more of these pathetic excuses not to release them.

 

[NIN Irish]

His tax returns were released and he paid more in one year than every neck-beard basement dwelling 3 bill bernie sanders supporter will in their entire lifetime

Oh really. When did you see them?

 

[chitown sot]

Did you even read the post? I’m not saying he did something wrong. I’m saying he’s hiding what’s in his taxes. After all, every president has since the 60s. There should be no more of these pathetic excuses not to release them.

Who gives a rats ass if releases his taxes or not. Big fricking deal, lets investigate the corrupt POS clinton foundation.

 

[NIN Irish]

Who gives a rats ass if releases his taxes or not. Big fricking deal, lets investigate the corrupt POS clinton foundation.

You also sound like he’s got something to hide. So many blinded trump sheep.

 

[twalsh]

You also sound like he’s got something to hide. So many blinded trump sheep.

Is that your stock answer?

 

[chitown sot]

You also sound like he’s got something to hide. So many blinded trump sheep.

Not at all. Why do you care to see his taxes? Instead of paying $300K, he may have paid $250K. So what, hes payed plenty. Im sure it would take you 20 years to make $250K working at mcdonalds or some other fast food joint you are janitor of

 

[stu4don]

But he is making Bush The Younger look like George Washington!

 

[NIN Irish]

Not at all. Why do you care to see his taxes? Instead of paying $300K, he may have paid $250K. So what, hes payed plenty. Im sure it would take you 20 years to make $250K working at mcdonalds or some other fast food joint you are janitor of

Wrong sheep. With the way you spelled paid, I doubt you graduated high school.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Who gives a rats ass if releases his taxes or not. Big fricking deal, lets investigate the corrupt POS clinton foundation.

I would go as step further and get a spacial counsel to look into the justice department and the hand they played at the end of the election

 

[deadirishpoet]

But he is making Bush The Younger look like George Washington!

Bush the younger a d a Democrat Congress put this nation in the biggest tail spin since the great depression....the Bush and Obama administration destabilized the middle east
So I would say your post has no merit

 

[chaseball]

83% of the benefits of trump's tax cut went to the top 1% and the tax relief for the middle class was temporary

The 1% is back to making as much of the new income (about 23%) as they were right before the great depression. Wages haven't budged for the average american since the 1980s despite the country being more productive than ever before. The average person in america can't afford to participate in the economy.

The wealthy are getting wealthier while the middle class is getting destroyed. And yet there are STILL swarms of americans who are vigilantly loyal to supply side economics. Despite the rich being richer than ever "just keep giving them more tax breaks and wait for the trickle down to the middle class!" ... "Dude the 6 wealthiest people in the united states already own more wealth than the bottom 150,000,000 americans though, the greatest disparity in our country since the great depression" ... "who cares? give 'em tax breaks!!"

Every time we deregulate wall st and give more tax breaks to the wealthy the market crashes. Nobody has any money to buy anything (wages are flat while cost of living is up). The stock market closed on christmas eve down 20% (a day when the market typically gets a bump for all the christmas/holiday shopping). SMH.

The next crash is coming, it's just a matter of when, we might even be in the middle of it right now.

 

[Pennick4]

83% of the benefits of that tax cut went to the top 1% over the next 10 years and the tax relief for the middle class were temporary. The 1% is back to making as much of the new income (about 23%) as they were right before the great depression. Wages haven't budged for the average american since the 1980s despite the country being more productive than ever before. The wealthy are getting wealthier while the middle class is getting destroyed. And yet there are STILL swarms of americans who are vigilantly loyal to supply side economics. Despite the rich being richer than ever "just keep giving them more tax breaks and wait for the trickle down to the middle class!"

Every time we deregulate wall st and give more tax breaks to the wealthy the market crashes. The stock market closed on christmas eve down 20%. SMH.

The next crash is coming, it's just a matter of when, we might even be in the middle of it right now.

Blah blah blah.

 

[Pennick4]

83% of the benefits of that tax cut went to the top 1% over the next 10 years and the tax relief for the middle class were temporary.

The 1% is back to making as much of the new income (about 23%) as they were right before the great depression. Wages haven't budged for the average american since the 1980s despite the country being more productive than ever before.

The wealthy are getting wealthier while the middle class is getting destroyed. And yet there are STILL swarms of americans who are vigilantly loyal to supply side economics. Despite the rich being richer than ever "just keep giving them more tax breaks and wait for the trickle down to the middle class!" "Dude the 6 wealthiest people in the united states already own more wealth than the bottom 150,000,000 americans though!" .. "who cares give 'em tax breaks!!"

Every time we deregulate wall st and give more tax breaks to the wealthy the market crashes. Nobody has any money to buy stuff/stimulate the economy .. cost of living is way up while wages are stagnant for the last four decades. The stock market closed on christmas eve down 20%. SMH.

The next crash is coming, it's just a matter of when, we might even be in the middle of it right now.

Everything for free.

 

[chaseball]

Here is my christmas list of policies:

* medicare for all
* raise minimum wage to a living wage + right to a union
* free public college
* end the wars (US is still in war with/bombing 7 countries)
* public financing of elections
* no corporate pac $ (disallow wealthy individuals and corporations from buying elections)
* body cams on lobbyists
* green new deal
* new new deal (put americans back to work rebuilding american infrastructure)
* national direct ballot (voters can vote directly on top federal policy during elections)
* end the drug war
* release non-violent drug offenders from jail/prison
* social security for all (universal basic income)
* reinstate glass steagall act
* penalize corporate outsourcing
* close tax havens
* prosecute wall st crimes

 

[Pennick4]

Here is my christmas list of policies:

* medicare for all
* raise minimum wage to a living wage + right to a union
* free public college
* end the wars
* public financing of elections
* no corporate pac $
* body cams on lobbyists
* green new deal
* new new deal

 

[thehellyousay]

Go after his tax plan and wreck the economy?
That's a great idea. ..librals being libral. Sure bring in less tax dallors more money heading back overseas
I bet you support allowing these big libral cities to write ghe taxes off again.
You cats never learn
And dont forget about the new crop of ass actual socialist ....have fun with them.
Btw you forget the Republicans hold the Senate and no more McCain or Flake to muddy the waters

his tax returns, not his tax plan - as in, what is his interest in Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc. ... I have no idea what else you were saying to me...

and I'm not a liberal, don't care for Socialists either, or the Democratic party in general - I just don't like Trump - I think he's full of shit, and always has been... I want to see some accountability, and some transparency... do you really think just Dems don't like him? his approval rating sucks - seem like most people think he's into some sketchy business...

 

[ThomasSowell]

Here is my christmas list of policies:

* medicare for all
How would you pay for it
* raise minimum wage to a living wage + right to a union
Define living wage
* free public college
VS
"Right to union"
I take issue with these proposals based on mathematics and economics
How will teachers especially their unions that think they should decide where other people's kids attend school be compensated monetarily speaking if the attending of the school is "free"
Also please define your version of "free"
* end the wars (US is still in war with/bombing 7 countries)
How can we end all wars if the opposition shows zero interest in compromise especially if they are operating out of jihad or a "holy" war stance or position
Secondly
How do you plan to change this zealotry seen within islamofascist countries towards all "infidels" or those including other Muslims guilty of apostasy laws or blasphemy in other words how will you reverse the opinions or belief structure of the palestinians of which 70% of them think suicide bombings are justifiable or kosher
I'd also like to know your plan to decimate the teachings within Islamic countries... that teach the Holocaust never happened or eliminating them from using their own people as human shields whether it be in hospitals, schools and mosques
Thirdly how can we find a politician or can you suggest one that doesn't use lies to manipulate their base or impressionable young voters like 3 bill bernie al-sanders has via this quote regarding the Iraq Liberation Act “It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.”
* public financing of elections
Where will the tax money come from to subsidize political ambitions or elections especially if it's largely a two class society within democratic party oligarchical cities
(Detroit New Orleans Chicago) especially if the majority of the residents already don't pay any tax as seen in Detroit
* no corporate pac $ (disallow wealthy individuals and corporations from buying elections)
Does this include the unrepentant national socialist German's worker's party lackey george "it was the best time of my life" soros's campaign influence or "buying of elections"
* body cams on lobbyists
You do realize you are lobbying right now correct ?
Or do honestly want ACLU, AntiDefamation League, Animal Legal Defense Fund, Greenpeace, Southern Poverty Law Center lobbyists to wear body cams since the demand for police officers to wear body cams for the officers fell flat on the face of the black lives "matter" dogmatists or contrary to what they said would happen if cams were worn thus showing this fictional police genocide
* green new deal
One question to start
When the wind isn't blowing the windmills or 5th century technology, where does that electricity come from (coal)
* new new deal (put americans back to work rebuilding american infrastructure)
Highest employment rate is now or highest job participation level
* national direct ballot (voters can vote directly on top federal policy during elections)
Define ballot proposals please
* end the drug war
Over 80% of drug crimes involve the possession or usage of an unregistered firearm
There isn't a drug war
If there were we would be executing 30,000 people each year like the socialists of China are although the numbers are probably higher because the socialists of china probably aren't giving amnesty international reliable execution numbers since well they are socialists
* release non-violent drug offenders from jail/prison
What type of drug convictions and nonviolent now or after conviction while being confined to well solitary confinement
* social security for all (universal basic income)
We already have it since welfare isn't being used as a temporary safety net but rather promoted by leftists as a lifestyle to proud of through instilling faux victimization or x owes you something
* reinstate glass steagall act
It is already law
* penalize corporate outsourcing
So you are for or against President Donald Trump's tariffs
* close tax havens
How, what if that country doesn't comply and sanctions fail
Will you advocate for military force as you will towards those islamofascist countries I was talking about earlier
* prosecute wall st crimes

The crimes already are and there's literally multiple state and federal agencies that do this

 

[ThomasSowell]

Also please capitalize Christmas next time
Thanks

 

[8th Man]

S&P 500 is now up 2.5% during Trump's time in office.

Normally I would say that a President shouldn't be credited or blamed for how the stock market has done under him; but since Trump has regularly taken credit for the run up of stocks ("everyone check their 401k and thank me!!!"), it is now fair to blame him while they plummet off a cliff.

 

[ThomasSowell]

S&P 500 is now up 2.5% during Trump's time in office.

Normally I would say that a President shouldn't be credited or blamed for how the stock market has done under him; but since Trump has regularly taken credit for the run up of stocks ("everyone check their 401k and thank me!!!"), it is now fair to blame him while they plummet off a cliff.

No no no it's only Trump's fault when the market goes down and when it goes up

Thanks Obama

Leftist catch 22 example number is π

 

[twalsh]

Here is my christmas list of policies:

* medicare for all
* raise minimum wage to a living wage + right to a union
* free public college
* end the wars (US is still in war with/bombing 7 countries)
* public financing of elections
* no corporate pac $ (disallow wealthy individuals and corporations from buying elections)
* body cams on lobbyists
* green new deal
* new new deal (put americans back to work rebuilding american infrastructure)
* national direct ballot (voters can vote directly on top federal policy during elections)
* end the drug war
* release non-violent drug offenders from jail/prison
* social security for all (universal basic income)
* reinstate glass steagall act
* penalize corporate outsourcing
* close tax havens
* prosecute wall st crimes

I’m sure there’s a country for you somewhere. Not sure though.