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I have never said only librals don't like him but this much is clear you've forgotten how we got here.
Do you believe for one second a Hillary Clinton admisrtation or the Clintons in general would have been less sketchy even with the media covering up their actions?
You do understand his administration has been harder on Russia than any administration in recent memory?
He has had special counsel up his ass from day one based on a lie paid for by the Clinton campaign, what is most troubling is liberals and never Trumpers have no problem with this.
President Trump has been very transparent....more so than the previous two presidents
His approval is every bit to president Obama's was and he had the media bowing down to his every word
You're bitching about the present while turning s blind eye to the past
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You are a full blown Libitard........ get educated dip shit Paid or payed is the past tense of pay depending on the sense of pay. The first sense is the usual one of giving someone money while the second sense is to seal (the deck or seams of a wooden ship) with pitch or tar to prevent leakage.
And where do you think the money is going to come from? My gosh this is stupid,
As I stated in great detail in an earlier post on this thread : the stock market moves in Cycles Independent
of any President. I thought that the market was extremely overvalued and have been selling out into the
Euphoria. I was a little too early, but no one sells out at the exact top. A few months ago, I was selling out
Most of my remaining shares because I was seeking top formations on my charts.
I sold out most of my positions, but I am still getting pounded in my relatively small remaining holdings
That I am still holding long term.
Tax loss selling should just about be over, so we may be due for a major rally, but this sure looks like
An old fashion Bear Market ? Should be interesting to see how the New Year plays out ?
Of course, one never knows for sure, but my opinion is that many stocks still have a long way down trip before they bottom out ?
But as Jesse Livermore stated about a century ago : “ Opinions are often wrong, but Markets
never are ! “
The market has a “ mind “ of its own !
of any President. I thought that the market was extremely overvalued and have been selling out into the
Euphoria. I was a little too early, but no one sells out at the exact top. A few months ago, I was selling out
Most of my remaining shares because I was seeking top formations on my charts.
I sold out most of my positions, but I am still getting pounded in my relatively small remaining holdings
That I am still holding long term.
Tax loss selling should just about be over, so we may be due for a major rally, but this sure looks like
An old fashion Bear Market ? Should be interesting to see how the New Year plays out ?
Of course, one never knows for sure, but my opinion is that many stocks still have a long way down trip before they bottom out ?
But as Jesse Livermore stated about a century ago : “ Opinions are often wrong, but Markets
never are ! “
The market has a “ mind “ of its own !
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I’ll go with reinstating Glass-Steagall, but tell us how you’re going to pay for all the other items.
What would you have done on 09-12-01 ?
"He's not a war hero. He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured." President Bone Spurs on American Hero John McCain. Trump is a disgrace. Shame.
The pay for play scheme with The Clinton Foundation would have gone on steroids, and the friendly media would have just looked the other way.
Heartened to see reps of several Christian denominations blasting away at K Harris and Hirono for basically intimating that being a devout Catholic eliminates you from being part of the judiciary in this country. I guess Catholics are not one of the groups west coast libs worry about offending. I feel like being Catholic, middle aged, upper middle class and white puts a person in the “offend at will” category these days.
Does anyone know who Mike Rogers is ?
Inquiries and Investigations won’t be confined to tax returns, they’ll expand to everything under the sun in his life from birth to YTD.
Jaywalking included.
It will come to pass that either there was or wasn’t any collusion between Trump and the Russians.
If there wasn’t any collusion, how do you justify the actions of the government officials who orchestrated, perpetuated and prosecuted fabricated allegations ?
Inquiries and Investigations won’t be confined to tax returns, they’ll expand to everything under the sun in his life from birth to YTD.
Jaywalking included.
It will come to pass that either there was or wasn’t any collusion between Trump and the Russians.
If there wasn’t any collusion, how do you justify the actions of the government officials who orchestrated, perpetuated and prosecuted fabricated allegations ?
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twalsh,
They did and continue to look the other way.
As a “charity”, How do you take in $ 242,000,000+ and only pay out
$ 4,200,000 and have travel expenses of $ 7,900,000 and convention and meeting expenses of $ 12,500,000 ?
We’d be in jail if that was our charity and we ran it like that.
And, that doesn’t address WHERE the $ 242,000,000 came from, which is another issue in and of itself.
What do you think would happen if that was Trump’s charity ?
They did and continue to look the other way.
As a “charity”, How do you take in $ 242,000,000+ and only pay out
$ 4,200,000 and have travel expenses of $ 7,900,000 and convention and meeting expenses of $ 12,500,000 ?
We’d be in jail if that was our charity and we ran it like that.
And, that doesn’t address WHERE the $ 242,000,000 came from, which is another issue in and of itself.
What do you think would happen if that was Trump’s charity ?
On what charges ?
You have to commit a crime while in office in order to be impeached.
What crime ?
I can care less about all the BS issues people have with Trump. The russian conspiracies, his narcissism, his mean words, the comments on border issues/foreigners/immigrants, etc. I'm tired of people who get offended by everything he says while ignoring the important issues that are effecting hundreds of millions of american lives (like the policy substance).
Trump campaigned as a populist but all of his policy has been nothing but furthering the agenda of the wealthy/donor class:
Tired of justifying paying billions for war when we have way bigger problems domestically that need to be addressed. **** these post-9/11 interventionist wars that do nothing but empower the military industrial complex and have been responsible for the death of millions of civilians abroad.
We desperately need an FDR like revolution in the whitehouse. A president and administration who advocates/legislates on behalf of THE AMERICAN PEOPLE not just for the super wealthy/corporate elite.
There's so much wealth/resources/prosperity to be had for everybody who is fortunate enough to be born in america (we are the greatest super power the world has ever known) but the wealth/power is so concentrated at the top, and in so few hands, that regular americans don't get to see this prosperity in their lives. We used to live in a country where policy dictated that if a company did well EVERYBODY did well with it, all the way down the line to the janitor who used to make a good enough wage to run a household on his individual income.
The "american dream" is now twice as more likely in a place like Canada then it is in the US today. There's very little economic mobility in the US despite all of the BS that the establishment media and washington tries to feed us about "working harder and getting ahead".
Based on polling and comprehensive studies, people in scandinavian/nordic countries are much happier than we are in the US. There's more social trust among their people. Their people live longer, they have a better living standard, they have more free time, they have better education systems, everybody is covered by their healthcare system, 100% free at the point of service, no questions asked. And they also have a more progressive tiered tax policy that requires the wealthiest individuals to pay significantly more in taxes. These are capitalist countries with social democracies.
All of our policy/debate is so far to the right in the US in relation to the rest of the first world that we are viewed by the international community as brainwashed greedy warmongering pigs.
We live in a country that is wonderful to be wealthy in .. but it leaves everybody else behind. We pander our policy (economic and otherwise) to the kind of people who have yachts on their yachts. It's tragic and barbaric how we treat the not-haves and diminishing middle class in this country. And instead of pointing the finger where it belongs (at the elites who've seized control of the policy in the US, and have transferred trillions of dollars away from the middle class), we blame each other for our struggles instead.
We blame the guy who can't afford medical insurance/premiums so has to go to the emergency room for treatment, or the small business owner who needs to keep wages down in order to pay his employees' insurance premiums, or some single mom living on government cheese and food stamps, or some homeless person who desperately needs medication/therapy and is struggling to stay employed, etc. etc. and it's all very sad and pathetic.
Trump campaigned as a populist but all of his policy has been nothing but furthering the agenda of the wealthy/donor class:
- Tax breaks for the people who need them the least (super wealthy)
- Deregulating corporations/big business
- Cabinet full of wealthy elite/ wall st insiders/lobbyists who are actively working to defund medicare/medicaid/healthcare/social security/education/etc.
- Increasing the already insanely large defense budget
- Legislation that has kicked millions off of their healthcare
Tired of justifying paying billions for war when we have way bigger problems domestically that need to be addressed. **** these post-9/11 interventionist wars that do nothing but empower the military industrial complex and have been responsible for the death of millions of civilians abroad.
We desperately need an FDR like revolution in the whitehouse. A president and administration who advocates/legislates on behalf of THE AMERICAN PEOPLE not just for the super wealthy/corporate elite.
There's so much wealth/resources/prosperity to be had for everybody who is fortunate enough to be born in america (we are the greatest super power the world has ever known) but the wealth/power is so concentrated at the top, and in so few hands, that regular americans don't get to see this prosperity in their lives. We used to live in a country where policy dictated that if a company did well EVERYBODY did well with it, all the way down the line to the janitor who used to make a good enough wage to run a household on his individual income.
The "american dream" is now twice as more likely in a place like Canada then it is in the US today. There's very little economic mobility in the US despite all of the BS that the establishment media and washington tries to feed us about "working harder and getting ahead".
Based on polling and comprehensive studies, people in scandinavian/nordic countries are much happier than we are in the US. There's more social trust among their people. Their people live longer, they have a better living standard, they have more free time, they have better education systems, everybody is covered by their healthcare system, 100% free at the point of service, no questions asked. And they also have a more progressive tiered tax policy that requires the wealthiest individuals to pay significantly more in taxes. These are capitalist countries with social democracies.
All of our policy/debate is so far to the right in the US in relation to the rest of the first world that we are viewed by the international community as brainwashed greedy warmongering pigs.
We live in a country that is wonderful to be wealthy in .. but it leaves everybody else behind. We pander our policy (economic and otherwise) to the kind of people who have yachts on their yachts. It's tragic and barbaric how we treat the not-haves and diminishing middle class in this country. And instead of pointing the finger where it belongs (at the elites who've seized control of the policy in the US, and have transferred trillions of dollars away from the middle class), we blame each other for our struggles instead.
We blame the guy who can't afford medical insurance/premiums so has to go to the emergency room for treatment, or the small business owner who needs to keep wages down in order to pay his employees' insurance premiums, or some single mom living on government cheese and food stamps, or some homeless person who desperately needs medication/therapy and is struggling to stay employed, etc. etc. and it's all very sad and pathetic.
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He did donate $7 from his foundations money to the Boy Scouts. Oh, that's right that was his son's Boy Scout DUES! He is a charlatan and I just hope my conservative fellow Americans come to realize that and call for change.
Chaseball,
If we’re such a terrible country why are millions and millions of people trying to gain entry into America in anyway that they can ?
Why aren’t people flocking to the Nordic countries like they’re flocking to America ?
The Nordic countries benefited from two massive American initiatives.
1. The Marshall Plan which rebuilt Europe.
2. America spending billions to provide for their defense, allowing
those nations to allocate their resources for social programs.
If we’re such a terrible country why are millions and millions of people trying to gain entry into America in anyway that they can ?
Why aren’t people flocking to the Nordic countries like they’re flocking to America ?
The Nordic countries benefited from two massive American initiatives.
1. The Marshall Plan which rebuilt Europe.
2. America spending billions to provide for their defense, allowing
those nations to allocate their resources for social programs.
It may have something to do with it being a little easier to get from Central America to America, than Central America to Norway. That could be one possibility.
None the less McCain was a never Trumpers and put his feelings ahead of his principles. In conservative circles he was as a liability and should of stepped down decades ago
It is called fantasy land. Everything for free and unfairly tax those who bust their ass.
Chase, in your analysis of the tax cuts, who benefits from the lower corporate tax rate?
Tax breaks for the Rich ! Why not, since the rich , pay the majority of taxes, of course any lowering of rates
Would benefit them most !
Trump’s cabinet consists of mostly rich men , Wall Street men ? Because they are super intelligent and tops in their areas of expertise. or they never would have been so successful in the first place.
Deregulation of corporations ? The less regulations that corporations have, the easier for them to expand and create jobs. The more jobs, the less the Governments have to pay out in “ Entitlement s “ ( which no
One is “ Entitled “ to in the first place.) These so-called “ Entitlements “ are meant to be “ Safty Nets “
Not a “ Way of Life “ !
Free college is a complete joke just as college , with the exception of professional studies , has now become. A complete rip off ! No better than a solid high school education used to be !
I do agree that we should pull our troops out of most of our over seas bases, let NATO, S Korea,
Japan pay for their our defenses. However, we must also have the best Military and national defense in the world. If China, Russia, Iran, N. Korea ever surpasses us in rocket technology or cyber space, or sea and air power, all of our Social programs and strong economy could go up in smoke. National Defense simply can not be neglected In any way.
We never, ever, want to send under armed and under trained troops into battle like we did at the beginning of the Korean War ! Never again ! Our fighting men and women most also
Be best trained and best equipped in the world !
Would benefit them most !
Trump’s cabinet consists of mostly rich men , Wall Street men ? Because they are super intelligent and tops in their areas of expertise. or they never would have been so successful in the first place.
Deregulation of corporations ? The less regulations that corporations have, the easier for them to expand and create jobs. The more jobs, the less the Governments have to pay out in “ Entitlement s “ ( which no
One is “ Entitled “ to in the first place.) These so-called “ Entitlements “ are meant to be “ Safty Nets “
Not a “ Way of Life “ !
Free college is a complete joke just as college , with the exception of professional studies , has now become. A complete rip off ! No better than a solid high school education used to be !
I do agree that we should pull our troops out of most of our over seas bases, let NATO, S Korea,
Japan pay for their our defenses. However, we must also have the best Military and national defense in the world. If China, Russia, Iran, N. Korea ever surpasses us in rocket technology or cyber space, or sea and air power, all of our Social programs and strong economy could go up in smoke. National Defense simply can not be neglected In any way.
We never, ever, want to send under armed and under trained troops into battle like we did at the beginning of the Korean War ! Never again ! Our fighting men and women most also
Be best trained and best equipped in the world !
It's really difficult to have a debate with the baby boomer generation on issues of economics because they were apart of an american economy that is VERY different then the one today.
A lot of these comments/responses are what the establishment have been feeding the american public for decades through endless propaganda: The idea that deregulating business/corporations is something that 'trickles down' to the middle class in some way and allows everybody to prosper/get ahead.
But instead it allows big business to merge in markets and create oligopolies, put competition out of business, and control prices. Which eventually leads to higher costs on products/services Americans rely on for survival. Like pharmaceutical or insurance companies for instance.
Or tax cuts for corporations/wealthy is supposed to lead to higher wages / more opportunity and investments in the country / more jobs for the middle class /etc. But it just doesn't bear out in actual data though.
We've been deregulating wall st/corporations, and giving tax breaks to corporations/wealthy individuals for the last 4 decades. Guess which group is doing better then ever BY FAR under these policies while the rest has struggled?
Trumps cabinet is full of wealthy individuals, corporate lobbyists, donors included, who have a major conflict of interest with the departments they've been put in charge of. Like Scott Pruitt (EPA), Betsy Devos (Secretary of Education), Wilbur Ross (Secretary of Commerce), to name just a few, who either have financial connections in these industries, or have a career of actively trying to destroy these departments which the public rely on for education, environmental policy, labor, etc.
I'm all about supporting troops/making sure they have the best training and best technology/equipment needed to defend America. But do we REALLY need a military budget larger than the next 9 nations combined (when most of them are our allies)? Our defense budget is so far out of wack with the rest of the world and so far out of wack with the priorities the general american supports that it's just further proof of the oligarchy/lack of democracy in america today.
In large part, these are the only policies that get past in washington today:
* Tax cuts for the wealthy
* Increase defense budget
* Bomb some country somewhere that nobody even knows why
* Deregulate big businesses/corporations
despite the american people supporting/wanting something else entirely,
like:
- Government jobs program
- Renewable energy programs
- Raised minimum wage
- Higher taxes on the wealthy
- Medicare for all / single payer
- Ending the wars
- Breaking up the banks and other corporations that are too big to fail
And despite what the establishment media feeds the public about younger generations today, we are a far more educated and far more productive workforce than any generation before us. We don't want to sit in our mom's basement and play video games all day, we just want the same opportunities and living standard as the generations that came before us.
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Everything for free! No personal accountability and redistribute the wealth.
ChaceOcasio Ortiz. Clueless!
Chase, we don't need the media to tell us about the current younger generation and their work ethic and lifestyle aspirations. We in the workforce see it on a daily basis. They have received more formal education than previous generations, but that doesn't imply they are more educated. From my experience writing skills and simple spelling skills are pretty lacking, and now have to be built through the work experience. And even today, written communication is really important. They are more technologically savvy than the boomer generation, but every generation in history can say that about the previous one. And they are 100% more concerned about how their work requirements are going to impact their lifestyle than probably any previous generation.
You are all about big goverment
You hit the rich with a large tax and that money goes overseas. You take money from business and the employees pay for it.
You keep talking about the rich getting all the benefits yet you neglect to mention they pay most of the taxes while there is an even larger part of the population that pay nothing, and receive large return.
Now you want healthcare for all regardless of the burden to this nation. The size of that type of bureaucracy alone we would be a financial burden before any funds make it to the people. Then you will have panels to pick winners and losers as Zeke Emanuel prophecy. All you need to do is look at the VA and there is government healthcare.
You dont understand how this is suppose to work.
The constitution allows tax dollars to be spent on national defense not healthcare.
You would do better to argue that allowing states to attempt these hairbrain ideas which have been done and failed.
I also seen you've neglected to mention that the American people want protective borders annd a stop to this endless influx of uneducated low wage workers .....hum
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I find myself in total agree with Chase ! Government Emplyment program! Something like the old CCC, PWA, TVA, etc.
We take every abled bodied person off wefare, food stamps, Government health care, and any number of Like programs.
These people now have Government jobs rebuilding and repairing our roads, bridges, tunnels, Run down neighborhoods, railways, etc. with the money now saved from the “ Entitlements “ the Government ( fed and local ) can now pay these gainfully employed people , who can also now pay for their own health insurance, which the governments can get at reduced rates from competing insurance companies. two problems solved Health Care for all,
And good jobs for all.
This new work force will not only now be gainfully employed but be also learning to become craftsmen At new trades. Free Education
A win win situation for all.
We take that a step further and stop all federal grants to colleges and to students. The Students now join This work force or the Peace Corps or the armed forces for two years.and get paid to work kind of like a GI Bill for education. During these two years, all students must
Follow a rigorous required reading program of the World’s greatest classics, philosophers, and economists as well as World and US History. A rigorous exam in all these subjects
Must be passed, and once passed, the successful students will get two years of College credits, and then pass an entrance exam to continue their
Final two years in the majors of their choices.
Colleges will Now have to compete for these students and tuition will come tumbling down. No more straddling Parents and students with inflated tuition and student loans for courses of study, like White Privilege, Social Justice, Alternate Life Styles, Women’s studies, etc etc, etc ! Great win for both students and parents and very close to Free College, not for all, but to the
Truly educated. The rest will have trades to fall back on !
Many of these young people may decide that a trade is far more valuable than any number of pieces of paper with a BS written on them ( unfortunately today too many are really “ BS” anyway ) that lead to nothing employable?
There you have it Chase, perfect comprimise, like the Democrats like, I gave you just about everything you desired, and you gave me very little back in return !
That is “ an offer that you can not refuse “
We take every abled bodied person off wefare, food stamps, Government health care, and any number of Like programs.
These people now have Government jobs rebuilding and repairing our roads, bridges, tunnels, Run down neighborhoods, railways, etc. with the money now saved from the “ Entitlements “ the Government ( fed and local ) can now pay these gainfully employed people , who can also now pay for their own health insurance, which the governments can get at reduced rates from competing insurance companies. two problems solved Health Care for all,
And good jobs for all.
This new work force will not only now be gainfully employed but be also learning to become craftsmen At new trades. Free Education
A win win situation for all.
We take that a step further and stop all federal grants to colleges and to students. The Students now join This work force or the Peace Corps or the armed forces for two years.and get paid to work kind of like a GI Bill for education. During these two years, all students must
Follow a rigorous required reading program of the World’s greatest classics, philosophers, and economists as well as World and US History. A rigorous exam in all these subjects
Must be passed, and once passed, the successful students will get two years of College credits, and then pass an entrance exam to continue their
Final two years in the majors of their choices.
Colleges will Now have to compete for these students and tuition will come tumbling down. No more straddling Parents and students with inflated tuition and student loans for courses of study, like White Privilege, Social Justice, Alternate Life Styles, Women’s studies, etc etc, etc ! Great win for both students and parents and very close to Free College, not for all, but to the
Truly educated. The rest will have trades to fall back on !
Many of these young people may decide that a trade is far more valuable than any number of pieces of paper with a BS written on them ( unfortunately today too many are really “ BS” anyway ) that lead to nothing employable?
There you have it Chase, perfect comprimise, like the Democrats like, I gave you just about everything you desired, and you gave me very little back in return !
That is “ an offer that you can not refuse “
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Baloney, the attraction to America versus Norway has nothing to do with distance.
Why aren’t people from Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Europe and Russia flocking to Norway ?
People from Asia emigrate to America, how close is that ?
Poplie from Africa, Europe and South America are coming to the U.S. Why aren’t they flocking to Norway ?
Are you saying people are flocking to America from Sweden, Denmark, Finland, and Russia?
Are you still talking about illegal immigration from those countries? Strange I have never heard that before.
Oh poor Donald Trump! How sad that a special prosecutor is appointed to investigate the allegations of one kind of crime and then goes on to find other crimes, which then serve as the basis for impeachment. Oh wait, I was thinking about the witch hunt against Bill Clinton.
The fact is that there were credible allegations of criminal activity involving those in the Trump Administration. As a result of the initial investigation, 5 former Trump Aides have pleaded guilty to various crimes. There have been countless other indictments and referrals to other prosecutors.
I suspect that when Mueller issues his report, there will not be enough evidence of collusion to warrant an indictment against Trump. That does not mean that there was no collusion but, rather, only that there is insufficient evidence to convict.
There will likely be other crimes that are indictable, whether they are against Trump, his kids, or his aides and benefactors is still to be determined. If, in fact, Trump is dirty, I want to know even if it's not being involved in collusion. This is not a Conservative v. Liberal issue nor is it a Republican v. Democrat issue. If any of our political leaders are dirty, I want to know about it and certainly before the next election.
It's very common that the party that wins the presidency loses some of Congress in the mid term elections. Like some people express on this board if you don't like it too bad. Vote Trump out the next time he runs. Otherwise stop whining
I didn't follow this thread, nor do I get into political crap on sports boards. But for giggles I went to the home page of CNN and just did a ctrl+F and typed in trump and they have his name sixteen times just on their home page. Do they report any news other than Trump bashing LOL?
hilarious - you Trumpites do nothing but bitch about Obama (term finished) and Hillary (lost the election), and then turn snowflake when somebody bitches about the sitting president...
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