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Who starts the bowl game Buchner or Angeli

My hope is that Rees let's him throw this time. He was WWAAAAYYYY over protective of letting Buchner pass. They need to let him turn it loose
 
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Not a chance in hell 10 QB's will be drafted ahead of Michael Penix.

And saying where Penix will be drafted 10 weeks before the NFL combine, and 4-5 months before the NFL Draft, is a slippery slope.
Yet you just said he would be drafted in round 1 in your post …
 
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Now is a good time to see what Angeli has. I would only play Buchner if it was an emergency. Let him get the practice time but playing him doesn't accomplish much. Risk vs reward.
Yes it does. He needs the experience in live games. He has very little of it in the last 4 years.

Gotta play him if he is healthy
 
On this we disagree, it's meaningless to the players as well, that's why each year so many sit them out. It's truly unfortunate, but that is exactly what has happened to CFB. I hate it, I'm sure you hate it, but it's the way it is
Maybe like 2 to 3 players a team sit out. When you say so many you are really reaching
 
Absolutely. Cracks me up that some marketing person at ABC/ ESPN comes up with the label of "NY6" bowl games for promotional purposes and those games suddenly become more significant than the other non playoff bowl games. They're ALL consolation games. The sign says " play like a champion today " not " play like a gator bowl winner today ".
Those games have always been more important. Every since we were little kids.

Rose, sugar, Fiesta, orange, cotton

Always been the biggest of games. Nothing new
 
Yes it does. He needs the experience in live games. He has very little of it in the last 4 years.

Gotta play him if he is healthy
There is ZERO REASON TO PLAY ANGELI. He's third string next year if minchey doesn't pass him on the depth chart. If he is. Serious contender for the number two spot next year then sure give him a series or two. If not play Buchner he needs live reps
 
Those games have always been more important. Every since we were little kids.

Rose, sugar, Fiesta, orange, cotton

Always been the biggest of games. Nothing new
Today they mean nothing. When it moves to 12 teams anything not the playoff is totally meaningless outside of extra practices.
 
Today they mean nothing. When it moves to 12 teams anything not the playoff is totally meaningless outside of extra practices.
In your opinion. I still want to win those big games and I know a lot of other fans do as well
 
There is ZERO REASON TO PLAY ANGELI. He's third string next year if minchey doesn't pass him on the depth chart. If he is. Serious contender for the number two spot next year then sure give him a series or two. If not play Buchner he needs live reps
I'm definitely starting Buchner if he is healthy. I wouldn't mind seeing a series or two from Angeli but I hope Buchner plays well and takes every snap
 
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Watch him play. Rather than quote Pff or draftbuzz, you tell me.
Stop your crap. Don't pivot. Don't change the narrative. You first said he would be a first round pick, then admonished another poster who said that he would not be among the first 10 QBs chosen....by saying it was ridiculous to forecast where he would be picked this far in advance.

Guessing you still watch CNN 24/7?
 
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In your opinion. I still want to win those big games and I know a lot of other fans do as well
Yeah ND doesn't hang banners for the Taxslayer Gator Bowl or the Chickfilet Peach Bowl. I'm glad the kids get the experience and swag but it's a glorified exhibition nothing more
 
I'm definitely starting Buchner if he is healthy. I wouldn't mind seeing a series or two from Angeli but I hope Buchner plays well and takes every snap
It's great if he gets some pt, and plays great, but at some point people have to look at the depth chart and what's coming in and realize it's very unlikely Angeli ever starts outside of injury.
 
Maybe like 2 to 3 players a team sit out. When you say so many you are really reaching
So your best players sit out and you don't think that effects the game. I see Mayer, Patterson, Foskey and possibly Adiamolola (sp) sitting out. Therefore any luster a bowl may have once had, it's gone
 
Yeah ND doesn't hang banners for the Taxslayer Gator Bowl or the Chickfilet Peach Bowl. I'm glad the kids get the experience and swag but it's a glorified exhibition nothing more
Then don't watch.
 
Yeah ND doesn't hang banners for the Taxslayer Gator Bowl or the Chickfilet Peach Bowl. I'm glad the kids get the experience and swag but it's a glorified exhibition nothing more
Maybe thats why we lose all the big bowl games since 94

I know a lot of teams, fans and players do care about them

I as well. You dont, thats fine
 
It's great if he gets some pt, and plays great, but at some point people have to look at the depth chart and what's coming in and realize it's very unlikely Angeli ever starts outside of injury.
Maybe. But Pyne has played a lot of football and Angeli is a better prospect than him. You never know what can happen in football and especially in this era of transfers
 
So your best players sit out and you don't think that effects the game. I see Mayer, Patterson, Foskey and possibly Adiamolola (sp) sitting out. Therefore any luster a bowl may have once had, it's gone
I dont think there was any luster ever for the gator bowl. Top players rarely ever sit out the big bowl games.

And its still a competition. And you want to win
 
OK. If both of you contend that Michael Penix is not among the first 64 players selected in a QB starved NFL, all good.

We will re-visit in late April.
I said hes not a round 1 guy and stand by that
 
Maybe like 2 to 3 players a team sit out. When you say so many you are really reaching
Agree. This narrative that a multitude of players sit out from each team simply isn't true.
 
Those games have always been more important. Every since we were little kids.

Rose, sugar, Fiesta, orange, cotton

Always been the biggest of games. Nothing new
Wrong! There's a lot new, its called the playoffs! Yes, the better teams play in these bowls but that doesn't make them anymore important. Its playoffs or bust. The games are meaningless.
 
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Wrong! There's a lot new, its called the playoffs! Yes, the better teams play in these bowls but that doesn't make them anymore important. Its playoffs or bust. The games are meaningless.
94,000 will pack the Rose Bowl for Utah-Penn State.

That's one heck of a lot of travel and $$$$$$ spent for a game that means nothing.
 
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94,000 will pack the Rose Bowl for Utah-Penn State.

That's one heck of a lot of travel and $$$$$$ spent for a game that means nothing.
Uh huh..dressed as seats. PSU isn't drawing a huge crowd at rose bowl
 
So your best players sit out and you don't think that effects the game. I see Mayer, Patterson, Foskey and possibly Adiamolola (sp) sitting out. Therefore any luster a bowl may have once had, it's gone
Exactly that's close to 20% of your starters out.

That's why it's about next year not ending this year.
 
Wrong! There's a lot new, its called the playoffs! Yes, the better teams play in these bowls but that doesn't make them anymore important. Its playoffs or bust. The games are meaningless.
In your opinion. I watch the big bowl games and the players, coaches and the fans sure look like they care a lot about them
 
My hope is that Rees let's him throw this time. He was WWAAAAYYYY over protective of letting Buchner pass. They need to let him turn it loose
Yep. Have fun. Gunslinger. If he sucks it up, we know Angeli and Minchey have a good shot.
 
94,000 will pack the Rose Bowl for Utah-Penn State.

That's one heck of a lot of travel and $$$$$$ spent for a game that means nothing.
No playoffs means the game means nothing. Dude you are really quite stupid
 
Of course you want to win. But the biggest advantage to these games is the extra practice time which gives your younger players more opportunities to improve in a structured environment.
While I agree with you overall, didn’t you play in the Rose Bowl under Perles? Michigan State wasn’t playing for a national championship, but I assume you didn’t think the game was meaningless. Granted CFB was different in those days.
 
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