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Why don’t you look at the film before you open your mouth and insert your foot.

Then you can tell us how little blocking the WR’s did against Duke.

Do you always speak from a position of ignorance ?

There were 10 regular season games in the 60’s, when did they go to 20 in 2023 ?
You’re clueless !

WR’s blocked and ran routes in the 60’s and then they played defense when the other team had the ball.

So you think that playing both ways for 60 minutes in the 60’s is less taxing than just playing offense for 25 minutes in 2023 ? You’re clueless and a fool !
My God, you are an insufferable dweeb. Get some Preparation H. It might help. If you are, in fact, a Notre Dame graduate, it would go a long way toward explaining why so many people hate Notre Dame. I have argued with many people on this board, but I have never put anyone on ignore before. But with you, I'm asking myself why didn't I do so a year ago.
 
The average now for a soccer player ranges 10km - 14km a game. I doubt the difference we're talking about here is due to pads and a helmet.

One more point comes to mind: Some US Army competitions involve running with backpacks and other gear. 30lbs in 10k runs.

I am curious about this. We're talking about some of the best athletes in football. WRs tend to be fast, athletic, and ideally better conditioned.


The pace ebbs and flows, but it's constant movement. With PLENTY of running. Soccer accommodates a range of build, size, speed, and power, as skill and IQ matter a lot...but NOBODY gets away from being distance runner.

Again, I'd expect WRs to adapt best to this component...and not gas in a football match.
Constant movement with a lot of walking and jogging mixed in with running.

They are much lighter and less muscle mass which is helpful for endurance. No pads and no hitting also helps
 
My God, you are an insufferable dweeb. Get some Preparation H. It might help. If you are, in fact, a Notre Dame graduate, it would go a long way toward explaining why so many people hate Notre Dame. I have argued with many people on this board, but I have never put anyone on ignore before. But with you, I'm asking myself why didn't I do so a year ago.
You obviously prefer false narratives to facts, so get lost !
 
You're not resting in a soccer game.

:)

BTW: soccer adds extra time to any delay in games.

Again, for me it's an academic point. One surprising me. I can get being winded from getting hit...but WRs don't get hit every play and rotate. It's the one position I'd think a player can maintain pretty good stamina.
I played both.

Two things:
- you are not exerting impact energy as much in soccer against another player (whether blocking or running or being tackled) as in football. This exerts more caloric energy.
- you absolutely can find rest on a soccer pitch, it’s not constant running
 
Greathouse is a freshman, how come he was starting despite the fact that he hadn’t had enough time to be developed ?

You foolishly keep blaming the WR’s for the poor play of the OLine.

Duke wasn’t loading the box, Duke’s front 4 played well and ND’s OLine couldn’t move them off the LOS
Greathouse wasn’t starting, try to keep up. The playbook works better with 11 people on the field. Greathouse took relevant snaps per game so they needed to be replaced

Now you can continue to fist yourself
 
Why don’t you look at the film before you open your mouth and insert your foot.

Then you can tell us how little blocking the WR’s did against Duke.

Do you always speak from a position of ignorance ?

There were 10 regular season games in the 60’s, when did they go to 20 in 2023 ?
You’re clueless !

WR’s blocked and ran routes in the 60’s and then they played defense when the other team had the ball.

So you think that playing both ways for 60 minutes in the 60’s is less taxing than just playing offense for 25 minutes in 2023 ? You’re clueless and a fool !
I looked at the film. I think you need thicker glasses Patrice. Everything I stated is accurate.

In your heyday in the 60’s the game was closer to rugby than football as it is today. If you can’t deduce that today’s football has the field spread out more than back in the stone ages, not sure what to tell you.

question. How many games are played to be in the Super Bowl in any given year? You are a dolt
 
Two things. First it was a gutsy drive and when it really mattered your top players delivered.

Second, there were a few crucial plays on that drive. Evans , Hartman with 4th and 16. Then of course the Estimae TD. However none of that may have happened without the interference call at the start of the drive where ND went from the one to the sixteen yard line. That gave the Irish a boost and a real chance to get where they needed to go. Just my observation.

Duke fans were going nuts at the game over that call saying it was not catchable. Flores had a great sequence on the route where he slow played the corner and then put on a double move and the corner grabbed him because he had him beat. Was an easy call.
 
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Duke fans were going nuts at the game over that call saying it was not catchable. Flores had a great sequence on the route where he slow played the corner and then put on a double move and the corner grabbed him because he had him beat. Was an easy call.
I don't think the ball was catchable, but in that case, I think should have been holding. There was an earlier play when Hartman threw down the sideline to Merriweather, and they picked up the flag because they said he wasn't coming back for the ball, but it seemed to me his path to the ball was impeded. In any event, the ball hit the ground much closer to him than the one that was thrown to Flores.
 
I looked at the film. I think you need thicker glasses Patrice. Everything I stated is accurate.

In your heyday in the 60’s the game was closer to rugby than football as it is today. If you can’t deduce that today’s football has the field spread out more than back in the stone ages, not sure what to tell you.

question. How many games are played to be in the Super Bowl in any given year? You are a dolt
B.S. Our WR’s NEVER had a problem getting off the LOS !

Cite the plays !

Use the quarter and game clock to cite plays where our WR’s couldn’t get off the LOS !

Don’t try to deflect and disavow your absurd statement that college football players today play twice as many games as they did in the 60’s by switching to the number of games a team in the NFL plays in order to get to the Super Bowl.

You have now proven yourself to be intellectually dishonest !

You have undermined your credibility !

You are not to be trusted !

I may be a dolt, but I’m a smarter and more honest dolt than you.

You’re a lying dolt !
 
B.S. Our WR’s NEVER had a problem getting off the LOS !

Cite the plays !

Use the quarter and game clock to cite plays where our WR’s couldn’t get off the LOS !

Don’t try to deflect and disavow your absurd statement that college football players today play twice as many games as they did in the 60’s by switching to the number of games a team in the NFL plays in order to get to the Super Bowl.

You have now proven yourself to be intellectually dishonest !

You have undermined your credibility !

You are not to be trusted !

I may be a dolt, but I’m a smarter and more honest dolt than you.

You’re a lying dolt !
Lol, it took you a full day to respond? Yikes Got your new set of glasses?

1964 called, they want their one platoon system back!

It’s proven you don’t understand the nuances of the game. You may want to read up on similar reviews on the game. But you can just use your case of Vaseline to enjoy yourself. I’m done responding to an old and miserable person such as yourself. Stick to golf
 
Duke fans were going nuts at the game over that call saying it was not catchable. Flores had a great sequence on the route where he slow played the corner and then put on a double move and the corner grabbed him because he had him beat. Was an easy call.
That was a legit call
 
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Lol, it took you a full day to respond? Yikes Got your new set of glasses?

1964 called, they want their one platoon system back!

It’s proven you don’t understand the nuances of the game. You may want to read up on similar reviews on the game. But you can just use your case of Vaseline to enjoy yourself. I’m done responding to an old and miserable person such as yourself. Stick to golf
 
Look I rarely say anything about the refs. I mean they are only human and many times it’s up to interpretation from the ref who threw the flag. However, the last 2 games there have been some iffy calls. If ND doesn’t want to be on the wrong side of a penalty, they need to play more focused and not put themselves in those situations. The last thing you want is to have a “ questionable call” go against you and alter the outcome. It all comes down to coaching and preparation. And yes , the players need to take ownership of how they play.
 
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LNext man up is easy to say but most of the time unless you have VERY talented backups the results are not great.
Plus this team was very short on quality receivers at full strength do to the failures of the previous coaching staff . In the future we should have more debt at receiver but this year we were in short supply
 
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The average now for a soccer player ranges 10km - 14km a game. I doubt the difference we're talking about here is due to pads and a helmet.

One more point comes to mind: Some US Army competitions involve running with backpacks and other gear. 30lbs in 10k runs.

I am curious about this. We're talking about some of the best athletes in football. WRs tend to be fast, athletic, and ideally better conditioned.


The pace ebbs and flows, but it's constant movement. With PLENTY of running. Soccer accommodates a range of build, size, speed, and power, as skill and IQ matter a lot...but NOBODY gets away from being distance runner.

Again, I'd expect WRs to adapt best to this component...and not gas in a football match.
I've ran full packs many times it left a bad taste in my mouth to this day.
I thought it was to build my back, legs, ect but what I found out quickly it built my lungs.

From what I understand the Irish have one if the best conditioning coaches. If this was the case they would notice and correct
 
Lol, it took you a full day to respond? Yikes Got your new set of glasses?

1964 called, they want their one platoon system back!

It’s proven you don’t understand the nuances of the game. You may want to read up on similar reviews on the game. But you can just use your case of Vaseline to enjoy yourself. I’m done responding to an old and miserable person such as yourself. Stick to golf
Sorry if my working all day had you sitting around idle waiting for my response.

I see that you failed to cite one play where our WR’s couldn’t get off the LOS.
All you have to do is cite the play by the quarter and game clock.
So what’s stopping you from providing the citation ?

I know what’s stopping you ….. you lied when you stated that our WR’s couldn’t get off the LOS !

I’ve forgotten more about the game than you’ll ever know.

Since I called you out and challenged you to cite the plays where our WR’s couldn’t get off the LOS, you failed to answer the question, choosing to slink off like a coward.

I would have had some respect for you had you admitted that you misspoke and were in error, but you don’t have the character to do that, So go ahead and slink off !

Here’s a question for you.

What’s a longer period of time, 60 minutes or 28 minutes ?

Hint: It’s 60 minutes !

So what is more tiring, 1. playing offense for 28 minutes or 2. playing offense for 28 minutes and then playing defense for 32 minutes ?

Take your time, don’t rush your answer !

Here’s another question for you.
WHY did they switch from a single platoon to two platoons ?

Again, take your time, don’t rush, you can even cheat by asking others for the answer.
Then you can lie again and claim that you figured it out for yourself !
 
Look I rarely say anything about the refs. I mean they are only human and many times it’s up to interpretation from the ref who threw the flag. However, the last 2 games there have been some iffy calls. If ND doesn’t want to be on the wrong side of a penalty, they need to play more focused and not put themselves in those situations. The last you want is to have a “ questionable call” go against you and alter the outcome. It all comes down to coaching and preparation. And yes , the players need to take ownership of how they play.
I, too, rarely complain about the refs because I've seen fans on both sides complain about the officiating and sometimes I have seen legitimate complaints about calls that went in our favor.

I didn't think the officiating was bad in the OSU game, but I thought there were a couple of head scratchers in Saturday's game. The two biggest to me were the review of the unreviewable call on the out-of-bounds punt (even if I thought the original spot was bad and it should have been a touchback.) The second was the targeting call. I've never seen targeting called when a tackler hit a guy's hip. Since I am not a conspiracy theorist, I try to look for explanations, and the only one I can think of is Bothelo ran off the field holding his head immediately after the play, and that may have gotten the attention of someone in the booth.
 
I, too, rarely complain about the refs because I've seen fans on both sides complain about the officiating and sometimes I have seen legitimate complaints about calls that went in our favor.

I didn't think the officiating was bad in the OSU game, but I thought there were a couple of head scratchers in Saturday's game. The two biggest to me were the review of the unreviewable call on the out-of-bounds punt (even if I thought the original spot was bad and it should have been a touchback.) The second was the targeting call. I've never seen targeting called when a tackler hit a guy's hip. Since I am not a conspiracy theorist, I try to look for explanations, and the only one I can think of is Bothelo ran off the field holding his head immediately after the play, and that may have gotten the attention of someone in the booth.
Agreed. Bothelo did lead with his head. I don’t think it was targeting as most of us think. I think it was just poor technique. Like I said , don’t put yourself in that situation. If he keeps his head up he doesn’t get flagged and tossed.
 
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Sorry if my working all day had you sitting around idle waiting for my response.

I see that you failed to cite one play where our WR’s couldn’t get off the LOS.
All you have to do is cite the play by the quarter and game clock.
So what’s stopping you from providing the citation ?

I know what’s stopping you ….. you lied when you stated that our WR’s couldn’t get off the LOS !

I’ve forgotten more about the game than you’ll ever know.

Since I called you out and challenged you to cite the plays where our WR’s couldn’t get off the LOS, you failed to answer the question, choosing to slink off like a coward.

I would have had some respect for you had you admitted that you misspoke and were in error, but you don’t have the character to do that, So go ahead and slink off !

Here’s a question for you.

What’s a longer period of time, 60 minutes or 28 minutes ?

Hint: It’s 60 minutes !

So what is more tiring, 1. playing offense for 28 minutes or 2. playing offense for 28 minutes and then playing defense for 32 minutes ?

Take your time, don’t rush your answer !

Here’s another question for you.
WHY did they switch from a single platoon to two platoons ?

Again, take your time, don’t rush, you can even cheat by asking others for the answer.
Then you can lie again and claim that you figured it out for yourself !
Listen. We know you are awake many times during the night to pee, and you fart yourself all the way to the bathroom. But give the board a break and stop posting. You are in the small minority here. Your understanding of the current college game nuances is laughable. Your comparison to 1960’s football is worse, Bidenesque. Your knowledge of the conditioning protocols is ZERO.

better check, I think someone is on your lawn
 
Listen. We know you are awake many times during the night to pee, and you fart yourself all the way to the bathroom. But give the board a break and stop posting. You are in the small minority here. Your understanding of the current college game nuances is laughable. Your comparison to 1960’s football is worse, Bidenesque. Your knowledge of the conditioning protocols is ZERO.

better check, I think someone is on your lawn
Not surprisingly, you’re wrong again.
I‘m one of the lucky ones who sleeps through the night.
And I wake up happy 363 days a year

Why have you failed to admit that you lied when you stated that our WR’s couldn’t get off the LOS ?

Why have you failed to cite any plays where our WR’s couldn’t get off the LOS ?

Why have you failed to answer a simple math question as to which number is greater, 28 or 60 ?

WHY have you failed to admit that it’s more tiring to play all 60 minutes on offense and defense than it is just playing 28 minutes on offense ?

The reasons are obvious, because every correct answer proves you wrong.

As to being a windbag, that would be someone who insists that our WR’s couldn’t get off the LOS, over and over and over again, despite the video evidence that proves that the WR’s had no difficulty getting off the LOS

You know nothing about football !
 
Do yourself a favor and put him on ignore. I just did the other day, and I can't believe how enjoyable it is to not have to wade through his crap.
You’re too stupid to understand the issues I present !
 
I've ran full packs many times it left a bad taste in my mouth to this day.
I thought it was to build my back, legs, ect but what I found out quickly it built my lungs.

From what I understand the Irish have one if the best conditioning coaches. If this was the case they would notice and correct


I was a pretty good athlete and played soccer at a high level. I was also a US Army officer, 4 years active duty. The 1st time I did a 10k with a ruck in a training event for a competition ...I admit they had to slow down because of me. The ruck alone was 30lbs and you had the rifle.

Again, after all this back and forth, I remain surprised WRs can gas.

Big linemen? Big RBs? Linebackers? Sure. Just thought the WRs and defensive backs would have a lot more cardio given their relatively being slimmer.
 
I was a pretty good athlete and played soccer at a high level. I was also a US Army officer, 4 years active duty. The 1st time I did a 10k with a ruck in a training event for a competition ...I admit they had to slow down because of me. The ruck alone was 30lbs and you had the rifle.

Again, after all this back and forth, I remain surprised WRs can gas.

Big linemen? Big RBs? Linebackers? Sure. Just thought the WRs and defensive backs would have a lot more cardio given their relatively being slimmer.
The USMC (20+ yrs) is big on this after breakfast......you can imagine the outcome
 
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