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The Coach who doesn't coach??

DillonDomer

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Coach Brey is one of the best coaches in the country. If there is a knock against him, it is that everyone would like to see better recruiting. However, ND isn't going to be able to accept many of the recruits that go to the bball factories. Do you think any of the Kentucky recruits could ever qualify for ND's academic requirements? Generally, the one-and-done's have barely completed a reasonable high school curriculum - much less met the requirements that ND would require. Brey consistently takes players that may not be as quick, tall, or athletic and competes well against the toughest conferences in the country (ACC and BigEast previously). Don't get me wrong - ND has some really good basketball players - but none would ever be a threat talent-wise of being able to jump to the NBA after one year. Frankly, I wouldn't want to have any one-and-done's anyway. If I was a D1 type player, I would sign up to play under Brey without question. At ND, you learn to play basketball they way it is meant to be played. Soccer is considered the beautiful game - but watching ND on offense, the way they move the ball, move without the ball and make the extra pass, it is really fun to watch.

Talent versus talent - should ND be able to beat Louisville consistently? NO WAY

The 5 OT game was one of the best examples of Brey's coaching ability. His teams play together, share the ball, have fun, and win games. If you have ever met him in person or heard him talk in a more relaxed environment, you would know that he is the same person that you see interviewed after games on TV. Coaches in general, across all sports, tend to be a$$holes. They have huge egos and feel that the world should bow before them. Brey isn't that way. I am sure deep down he is a pretty confident type of guy - but he relates to people really well.

Does he coach during games? Probably not to the degree other coaches do. Why is this? Because his teams are well prepared and he has coached them well during practice and throughout their careers. When you know what to do and understand the team basics, a lot of extra direction isn't necessary. Having players that stay for 3-4-5 years, the focus is more on their ability to play in the system - not pick-up basketball that is all 1v1.

Finally, let me pose this question - knowing that ND's talent is below most of the ACC and other Power 5 conference teams that ND runs into, could ND's team be as successful as they have been without some great coaching? Do you think the players (who again aren't as naturally blessed with God-given talent) just do it all on their own?

I bet Brey sleeps well at night while all the other coaches are popping their blood pressure pills.
 
I think Brey has found the magic formula for ND. He signs good, smart players that are not necessarily ready to play college as a Fr. He sits them for a year or 2 lets them develop before they assume a starting role. That way he's got a team with players that are more mature, technically sound and know his system inside and out.
 
I don't see how looking at the ACC schedule doesn't give him heartburn.........What a grind it is this year......What I like about this team is any player on any night can lift this team. I still expect a game where Ryan can't miss from 3-point range since it's his time to step up. Virginia Tech will be very tough and Florida State is built like Miami but with more veteran players. Nothing will be easy this year in the ACC.

If anyone wants to see what a basketball forum looks like in meltdown, go over to the IU free board after a loss or really anytime now and it sounds just like our football board.........All you would need to do is substitute coaches names and they are almost the exact same points........maybe there are parallel universes
 
Coach Brey is one of the best coaches in the country. If there is a knock against him, it is that everyone would like to see better recruiting. However, ND isn't going to be able to accept many of the recruits that go to the bball factories. Do you think any of the Kentucky recruits could ever qualify for ND's academic requirements? Generally, the one-and-done's have barely completed a reasonable high school curriculum - much less met the requirements that ND would require. Brey consistently takes players that may not be as quick, tall, or athletic and competes well against the toughest conferences in the country (ACC and BigEast previously). Don't get me wrong - ND has some really good basketball players - but none would ever be a threat talent-wise of being able to jump to the NBA after one year. Frankly, I wouldn't want to have any one-and-done's anyway. If I was a D1 type player, I would sign up to play under Brey without question. At ND, you learn to play basketball they way it is meant to be played. Soccer is considered the beautiful game - but watching ND on offense, the way they move the ball, move without the ball and make the extra pass, it is really fun to watch.

Talent versus talent - should ND be able to beat Louisville consistently? NO WAY

The 5 OT game was one of the best examples of Brey's coaching ability. His teams play together, share the ball, have fun, and win games. If you have ever met him in person or heard him talk in a more relaxed environment, you would know that he is the same person that you see interviewed after games on TV. Coaches in general, across all sports, tend to be a$$holes. They have huge egos and feel that the world should bow before them. Brey isn't that way. I am sure deep down he is a pretty confident type of guy - but he relates to people really well.

Does he coach during games? Probably not to the degree other coaches do. Why is this? Because his teams are well prepared and he has coached them well during practice and throughout their careers. When you know what to do and understand the team basics, a lot of extra direction isn't necessary. Having players that stay for 3-4-5 years, the focus is more on their ability to play in the system - not pick-up basketball that is all 1v1.

Finally, let me pose this question - knowing that ND's talent is below most of the ACC and other Power 5 conference teams that ND runs into, could ND's team be as successful as they have been without some great coaching? Do you think the players (who again aren't as naturally blessed with God-given talent) just do it all on their own?

I bet Brey sleeps well at night while all the other coaches are popping their blood pressure pills.

Better recruiting ?.... how about 5 players from the previous 2 years playing in the NBA .... no ... he doesn't get one and dones .... 5 star all-americans ... and ND can't get most of them in ... not Brey's fault ... all this considered ... recruiting is Brey's strength ... even the guys who don't have a chance in NBA, most can flat out shoot it which is a hot commodity to have

ND's offensve appraoch is the weakness ... offense is nothing more than one idividual effort ater another ... clear out for Beachem .... Vasturia plowing his way to the hoop ... they share the ball ... mostly passing it aroung the 3 point line waiting for someone to jack it up or plow there way to the hoop .... Brey's offenses have paid no attention to getting quality shots ... ever ... I have given up hope that Brey would insitute an offense that would actually get their great shooters more open looks ... it ia amazing they make as many shots as they do because rarely are they open

And no ... Brey is not a A like you say other coaches are which is true ... he is a nice guy .... I know lots of nice guys that have no business being a head coach ... I prefer who coaches in games .... Brey does not at all .... he is better suited for pom poms than a clipboard when the game is on
 
Better recruiting ?.... how about 5 players from the previous 2 years playing in the NBA .... no ... he doesn't get one and dones .... 5 star all-americans ... and ND can't get most of them in ... not Brey's fault ... all this considered ... recruiting is Brey's strength ... even the guys who don't have a chance in NBA, most can flat out shoot it which is a hot commodity to have

ND's offensve appraoch is the weakness ... offense is nothing more than one idividual effort ater another ... clear out for Beachem .... Vasturia plowing his way to the hoop ... they share the ball ... mostly passing it aroung the 3 point line waiting for someone to jack it up or plow there way to the hoop .... Brey's offenses have paid no attention to getting quality shots ... ever ... I have given up hope that Brey would insitute an offense that would actually get their great shooters more open looks ... it ia amazing they make as many shots as they do because rarely are they open

And no ... Brey is not a A like you say other coaches are which is true ... he is a nice guy .... I know lots of nice guys that have no business being a head coach ... I prefer who coaches in games .... Brey does not at all .... he is better suited for pom poms than a clipboard when the game is on
You are a dope. He is a brilliant strategist!
 
Better recruiting ?.... how about 5 players from the previous 2 years playing in the NBA .... no ... he doesn't get one and dones .... 5 star all-americans ... and ND can't get most of them in ... not Brey's fault ... all this considered ... recruiting is Brey's strength ... even the guys who don't have a chance in NBA, most can flat out shoot it which is a hot commodity to have

ND's offensve appraoch is the weakness ... offense is nothing more than one idividual effort ater another ... clear out for Beachem .... Vasturia plowing his way to the hoop ... they share the ball ... mostly passing it aroung the 3 point line waiting for someone to jack it up or plow there way to the hoop .... Brey's offenses have paid no attention to getting quality shots ... ever ... I have given up hope that Brey would insitute an offense that would actually get their great shooters more open looks ... it ia amazing they make as many shots as they do because rarely are they open

And no ... Brey is not a A like you say other coaches are which is true ... he is a nice guy .... I know lots of nice guys that have no business being a head coach ... I prefer who coaches in games .... Brey does not at all .... he is better suited for pom poms than a clipboard when the game is on

This is sarcasm right? No open shots?........You might want to make sure you are watching a Notre Dame game because this team's ball movement creates great shot opportunities for their shooters. This is not your best post because the strength of Brey's team is finding the open man and has been for many years. ND is one of the hardest teams to defend because they can score in so many different ways.
 
This is sarcasm right? No open shots?........You might want to make sure you are watching a Notre Dame game because this team's ball movement creates great shot opportunities for their shooters. This is not your best post because the strength of Brey's team is finding the open man and has been for many years. ND is one of the hardest teams to defend because they can score in so many different ways.

You have to be another johnny come lately .... because Brey's offense used to be 4 guys standing on the 3 point line and one guy floating in the paint .... no movement .... true story .... from this era came Brey's classic statement ... "I'm not much of an x's and o's guy" .... for the 1st 12-15 years or so Brey's 1st option on offense was to push it up the floor and shoot before the D can get set up .... if D got back ... good luck

Maybe you know who Gene Cross is? ... because he came in and actually added movement to the offense .... which is close to what you see today .... today's offense is nothing more than a freewheeling system that throws the ball around the perimeter until someone decides to chuck it up or go one on one ... there is no accountability for getting quality shots and everyone has the green light .... always ... it explains a lot when trying to figure out team inconsistency and how sometimes they look like dog doo .... the system totally relies on players' creativity with no accountability ... some people like the NBA ... so be it

I can guarantee ... whatever offense ND is running ... Brey didn't put it in place .... and he's not running it
 
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How can you guarantee that asshat...do you go to ND practices everyday?

Following this team for all of Brey's 16-17 years and the fact I have a education that far exceeds 4th grade .... I'm sure I know more than you :D
 
Wow....sitting down at Chico's banging down some PBR's and a few shots and you can figure all that out...plus watching Hoosiers 3 times a week has to help out as well. Cuz I can tell you've never been in a gym...not a player on this planet that would listen to a thing you had to say...and what's even more amazing is that by sitting at a bar all day you have been able to know more than the football coach as well. Where is this bar at!!
 
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Following this team for all of Brey's 16-17 years and the fact I have a education that far exceeds 4th grade .... I'm sure I know more than you :D

Correction: an education.

Two straight elite eights. The team is looking like they could have another deep run in the tournament. Next stop final four baby.

Give Brey credit, it appears he's improved as a coach. Maybe the turtlenecks were holding him back.
 
Brey is not a A like you say other coaches are which is true ... he is a nice guy .... I know lots of nice guys that have no business being a head coach ... I prefer who coaches in games .... Brey does not at all .... he is better suited for pom poms than a clipboard when the game is on
coach brey has taken this team to back to back elite eights and is on pace for a run at a third straight with the way the team is playing and yet you still bash the man like you always have in the past. did you catch brey with your wife or girlfriend or something because I just can't understand the sheer hate that you have for a coach that does so much with young adults that get snubbed by UNC, Kansas and all of the other big boys of college basketball
 
Better recruiting ?.... how about 5 players from the previous 2 years playing in the NBA .... no ... he doesn't get one and dones .... 5 star all-americans ... and ND can't get most of them in ... not Brey's fault ... all this considered ... recruiting is Brey's strength ... even the guys who don't have a chance in NBA, most can flat out shoot it which is a hot commodity to have

ND's offensve appraoch is the weakness ... offense is nothing more than one idividual effort ater another ... clear out for Beachem .... Vasturia plowing his way to the hoop ... they share the ball ... mostly passing it aroung the 3 point line waiting for someone to jack it up or plow there way to the hoop .... Brey's offenses have paid no attention to getting quality shots ... ever ... I have given up hope that Brey would insitute an offense that would actually get their great shooters more open looks ... it ia amazing they make as many shots as they do because rarely are they open

And no ... Brey is not a A like you say other coaches are which is true ... he is a nice guy .... I know lots of nice guys that have no business being a head coach ... I prefer who coaches in games .... Brey does not at all .... he is better suited for pom poms than a clipboard when the game is on
At least you're consistent. Consistently inane, but consistent.
 
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Following this team for all of Brey's 16-17 years and the fact I have a education that far exceeds 4th grade .... I'm sure I know more than you :D

At least you're consistent. Consistently inane, but consistent.

Yeah some of us who have followed the team since Digger Phelps just can't figure it out that Coach Brey is one of the top coaches in the nation. We will just mindlessly enjoy the ride.......Hopefully Coach Brey has about 10 more years in him so we can watch some more wins from his teams that happen to beat pretty much every team they play.......
 
Bug, you just seem to always have a burr up your butt when it comes to Coach Brey but he's done a fine job with less talent this season. They're a fun TEAM to watch and they have the heart to finish out and win close games. I wish the footballers could do the same.
 
How can you guarantee that asshat...do you go to ND practices everyday?

Yeah he attends imaginary basketball practice in his basement along with the football "Sewing Circle" who's simultaneously attending imaginary football practice. These dopes were FAKE NEWS before FAKE NEWS was cool.
 
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Yeah some of us who have followed the team since Digger Phelps just can't figure it out that Coach Brey is one of the top coaches in the nation. We will just mindlessly enjoy the ride.......Hopefully Coach Brey has about 10 more years in him so we can watch some more wins from his teams that happen to beat pretty much every team they play.......

You have to have a deeper understanding of bball beyond W's and L's .... a 1st grader can look at a score and tell you who won or lost .... that doesn't exist here
 
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For the first time ever, I agree with Pennick. You are a dope!!!! Team gets great looks due to their superior passing.

Head scratcher .... I don't watch too many other teams but I have a hard time believing there is another team that forces more shots that Brey teams ... speaking of which I'm having flashbacks of J Cornette chucking up 3's watching Bonzie hanging out at the 3 pt line ... seriously? ... anyony and absolutely anyone on that team has the green light to shoot from anywhere whenever they want ... sheesh
 
Correction: an education.

Two straight elite eights. The team is looking like they could have another deep run in the tournament. Next stop final four baby.

Give Brey credit, it appears he's improved as a coach. Maybe the turtlenecks were holding him back.

The only thing he has improved is his players ... the clown show would believe that Brey is a better coach and ignore the fact that he has had 5 NBA players the last 2-3 years and counting .... waiting to see if Beachem makes it ... probably .... that would be 6 .... and Vasturia .... probably not
 
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Wow....sitting down at Chico's banging down some PBR's and a few shots and you can figure all that out...plus watching Hoosiers 3 times a week has to help out as well. Cuz I can tell you've never been in a gym...not a player on this planet that would listen to a thing you had to say...and what's even more amazing is that by sitting at a bar all day you have been able to know more than the football coach as well. Where is this bar at!!

No players tend to have an affinity for for listening to people like you right? ....

Player : Hey coach .... there is a tournament in Hawaii ... can we go?

Coach: No ... I'd like to but we don't have time to get our passports?

LOL!
 
Head scratcher .... I don't watch too many other teams but I have a hard time believing there is another team that forces more shots that Brey teams ... speaking of which I'm having flashbacks of J Cornette chucking up 3's watching Bonzie hanging out at the 3 pt line ... seriously? ... anyony and absolutely anyone on that team has the green light to shoot from anywhere whenever they want ... sheesh
You must have been watchin' something besides ND bball, booger. This post is pure silliness.
 
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You have to have a deeper understanding of bball beyond W's and L's .... a 1st grader can look at a score and tell you who won or lost .... that doesn't exist here

So super coach...tell us all...what would ND's record be right now if you were the coach? I believe the only games ND has lost were to Villanova and Purdue..and they were both very close...so what would ND's record be? We are anxiously awaiting....
 
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Some crazy posts here. Brey is an excellent coach. He develops talent exceptionally well and his offense is often a thing of beauty. This year's team is really lacking an athletic big man who can protect the rim and gobble up defensive rebounds, and that will hurt us eventually. 16-2 and undefeated in the toughest basketball conference in the country, and we're debating whether the HC can coach. Hope we're having just as silly of a discussion next year when our football team is 10-2.
 
You must have been watchin' something besides ND bball, booger. This post is pure silliness.

Maybe you noticed but most of the posters that think Brey coaches in games are the same ones that think B Kelly derserves to keep coaching at ND .... go figure
 
So super coach...tell us all...what would ND's record be right now if you were the coach? I believe the only games ND has lost were to Villanova and Purdue..and they were both very close...so what would ND's record be? We are anxiously awaiting....

This year it would be hard to do better than 2 losses .. but over the 17 years it would be no contest ... if you think zero in game coaching is the best approach just say so
 
Winning two games on the road is hard to do and the V Tech crowd was really loud. Our team just never seems to get rattled. Other teams must look at players like Vasturia and say why doesn't that guy ever look upset. He is really a rock for this team.
Especially when you're playing in the ACC.
 
Maybe you noticed but most of the posters that think Brey coaches in games are the same ones that think B Kelly derserves to keep coaching at ND .... go figure
That would imply that just about every poster on this board besides you is in favor of keeping Kelly. Anyone want to sign on to that premise?
 
That would imply that just about every poster on this board besides you is in favor of keeping Kelly. Anyone want to sign on to that premise?

Wishful thinking .... apparently every guy who thinks Kelly is doing well also thinks the same of Brey ... go figure :eek:
 
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