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something is definitely wrong in the state of Denial; also known as Notre Dame's womens basketball team

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Between seniors leaving and all the transfers, the Lady Irish are down to THREE SCHOLARSHIP Players.

And Hidalgo the only proven starter.

And so far no comment from Ivey about all of this.

From a team that should have challenged for a National Championship, was #1, and then collapsed in the last two weeks of the season with meh results in both the ACC tournament and the NCAA, this is disaster.

No two words about it.
 
Between seniors leaving and all the transfers, the Lady Irish are down to THREE SCHOLARSHIP Players.

And Hidalgo the only proven starter.

And so far no comment from Ivey about all of this.

From a team that should have challenged for a National Championship, was #1, and then collapsed in the last two weeks of the season with meh results in both the ACC tournament and the NCAA, this is disaster.

No two words about it.
Should be about the same level of performance as the men’s team next year!
 
People don’t give a sh1t about national championships. They only care about their pocketbooks. Get used to it.

I don’t like it either, but it is what it is. No such thing as loyalty anymore.
 
People don’t give a sh1t about national championships. They only care about their pocketbooks. Get used to it.

I don’t like it either, but it is what it is. No such thing as loyalty anymore.
I believe this to be a coaching issue. Unmotivated, just completely unwound down the stretch, no identity.
 
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I believe this to be a coaching issue. Unmotivated, just completely unwound down the stretch, no identity.
When the Ladies reached #1 I really thought Ivey had done it
then pretty much right after that the fall started and never really stopped

Have to agree that this looks like a serious coaching failure
 
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People don’t give a sh1t about national championships. They only care about their pocketbooks. Get used to it.

I don’t like it either, but it is what it is. No such thing as loyalty anymore.
They seem to care at UConn WBB and a couple others.
 
Between seniors leaving and all the transfers, the Lady Irish are down to THREE SCHOLARSHIP Players.

And Hidalgo the only proven starter.

And so far no comment from Ivey about all of this.

From a team that should have challenged for a National Championship, was #1, and then collapsed in the last two weeks of the season with meh results in both the ACC tournament and the NCAA, this is disaster.

No two words about it.
No question. Now Kylee Watson is leaving. This is a sinking ship. If the portal did not exist this team would be screwed. Even with the portal, players may not want to come play for Ivie. Small community n the word gets out

What if anything is Pete B doing? I would be having exit discussions with every departing player Get to the bottom of this

IMO, Ivie is solid on x n o’s. She is not a motivating, uniting leader. That is the key differentiator for making a great coach. Either you have that charisma n leadership or u don’t.

Freeman is a great example of a guy who came in a bit short on x n o’s but learned on the job. He made mistakes his first 3 years. But he always had the leadership, was a unifier, motivator and built team culture Contrast that to Ivie or any other coach who may know the game but can’t get players to max out their potential

Fire her ass is looking like it has legs and is my vote
 
No question. Now Kylee Watson is leaving. This is a sinking ship. If the portal did not exist this team would be screwed. Even with the portal, players may not want to come play for Ivie. Small community n the word gets out

What if anything is Pete B doing? I would be having exit discussions with every departing player Get to the bottom of this

IMO, Ivie is solid on x n o’s. She is not a motivating, uniting leader. That is the key differentiator for making a great coach. Either you have that charisma n leadership or u don’t.

Freeman is a great example of a guy who came in a bit short on x n o’s but learned on the job. He made mistakes his first 3 years. But he always had the leadership, was a unifier, motivator and built team culture Contrast that to Ivie or any other coach who may know the game but can’t get players to max out their potential

Fire her ass is looking like it has legs and is my vote
I was doubtful about Ivey but the way the Irish played for most of the season I became a fan.

Then came the collapse and now this. There is no way this is all because of NIL money. There is more to the story. and the NIL does not explain the collapse. And a couple of the players leaving were not going to get much anyway.

It sucks but there it is
 
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I was curious and went digging on X and the internet. There are no credible sources if you ask me, but the scuttlebutt is that it is locker-room problems. The blowback one player was taking was allegedly over a post and stance that offended. It falls under the broad umbrella of political issues, and if you want to read about it, go and dig on X and use Google. I hope this is all fiction, but the coach should have had a hash-it-out meeting long ago to sort it all out.
 
The buck stops at the coach. Ivey deserves the space to rebuild. It sounds like ego's go out of hand on the team and its Ivey's job to get everyone rowing in the same direction. 2025 will be a big year for her as a coach. All we can do is wait and see if she answers the critics questions or if she goes on the hot seat.
 
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The buck stops at the coach. Ivey deserves the space to rebuild. It sounds like ego's go out of hand on the team and its Ivey's job to get everyone rowing in the same direction. 2025 will be a big year for her as a coach. All we can do is wait and see if she answers the critics questions or if she goes on the hot seat.
Agree with the ego issues too.
 
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Should be about the same level of performance as the men’s team next year!
You’re completely missing the point !

This year the men’s team never reached the pinnacle that the women’s team reached, hence there’s no comparison

The women’s team fell from the heights, the men’s team never reached the heights !
 
I was doubtful about Ivey but the way the Irish played for most of the season I became a fan.

Then came the collapse and now this. There is no way this is all because of NIL money. There is more to the story. and the NIL does not explain the collapse. And a couple of the players leaving were not going to get much anyway.

It sucks but there it is
I tend to agree
 
@grok: why is notre dame womens basketball falling apart?

Notre Dame women’s basketball isn’t necessarily "falling apart," but the team has faced significant challenges recently that have impacted its performance and raised questions about its stability. Several factors appear to be contributing to their struggles, based on available information and current sentiment.

The team started the 2024-25 season with high expectations, boasting a roster featuring All-Americans like Hannah Hidalgo, Olivia Miles, and Sonia Citron, alongside key transfers and a top freshman. They racked up impressive wins against teams like USC, Texas, and UConn, and at one point were ranked No. 1 in the AP Top 25. However, a late-season slide—losing three of their last five games before the NCAA Tournament—followed by a Sweet 16 exit against TCU on March 29, 2025, has fueled perceptions of decline. This was compounded by the announcement that three starters—Hidalgo, Citron, and Liatu King—plan to enter the transfer portal, signaling potential roster upheaval.

One major issue has been inconsistency. After a 19-game win streak, the Irish struggled to maintain their early-season form. Losses to NC State, Florida State, and Duke exposed vulnerabilities, particularly in closing out games and maintaining defensive intensity. For example, against TCU in the Sweet 16, Notre Dame was outscored 31-12 in the fourth quarter, a recurring problem seen earlier against TCU and Utah in November 2024. Analysts have pointed to a lack of depth as a critical weakness—outside of their star trio, the bench has provided little scoring, with only 5 points against Utah and 3 against TCU in those earlier losses. Injuries have also played a role, with players like Maddy Westbeld (out until January) and Liza Karlen (injured mid-season) limiting the rotation.

Coaching decisions under Niele Ivey have come under scrutiny as well. Some fans on X have criticized her for not adapting to mismatches or maximizing the roster’s potential, though her track record—three straight Sweet 16s and a shared ACC title in 2024-25—suggests competence. Still, the team’s late-season fade and postseason exit have led to speculation about locker room issues or a disconnect, with posts on X hinting at internal friction or dissatisfaction driving the transfer decisions.

The broader landscape of women’s college basketball adds pressure. The sport’s growth, coupled with NIL opportunities and a robust transfer portal, has spread talent across programs like USC, South Carolina, and Tennessee, making it harder for Notre Dame to dominate recruiting as it once did against a smaller pool of elite competitors (e.g., UConn, Stanford). The program’s academic rigor might also deter some top transfers or recruits seeking quicker paths to prominence elsewhere.

That said, it’s not all doom and gloom. Notre Dame still has Olivia Miles, who could return, and a strong recruiting foundation. The transfers might reflect individual choices—Hidalgo’s defensive growth, Citron’s next step, or King’s fit—rather than a sinking ship. Historically, the program has rebounded from setbacks, and Ivey’s emphasis on defense (e.g., the "Perfect Defense" drill) showed promise in the tournament’s early rounds. Whether this is a temporary stumble or a deeper unraveling depends on how they regroup for 2025-26. For now, the narrative of "falling apart" seems amplified by recent losses and roster changes, but the full story is still unfolding.
 
@grok: why is notre dame womens basketball falling apart?

Notre Dame women’s basketball isn’t necessarily "falling apart," but the team has faced significant challenges recently that have impacted its performance and raised questions about its stability. Several factors appear to be contributing to their struggles, based on available information and current sentiment.

The team started the 2024-25 season with high expectations, boasting a roster featuring All-Americans like Hannah Hidalgo, Olivia Miles, and Sonia Citron, alongside key transfers and a top freshman. They racked up impressive wins against teams like USC, Texas, and UConn, and at one point were ranked No. 1 in the AP Top 25. However, a late-season slide—losing three of their last five games before the NCAA Tournament—followed by a Sweet 16 exit against TCU on March 29, 2025, has fueled perceptions of decline. This was compounded by the announcement that three starters—Hidalgo, Citron, and Liatu King—plan to enter the transfer portal, signaling potential roster upheaval.

One major issue has been inconsistency. After a 19-game win streak, the Irish struggled to maintain their early-season form. Losses to NC State, Florida State, and Duke exposed vulnerabilities, particularly in closing out games and maintaining defensive intensity. For example, against TCU in the Sweet 16, Notre Dame was outscored 31-12 in the fourth quarter, a recurring problem seen earlier against TCU and Utah in November 2024. Analysts have pointed to a lack of depth as a critical weakness—outside of their star trio, the bench has provided little scoring, with only 5 points against Utah and 3 against TCU in those earlier losses. Injuries have also played a role, with players like Maddy Westbeld (out until January) and Liza Karlen (injured mid-season) limiting the rotation.

Coaching decisions under Niele Ivey have come under scrutiny as well. Some fans on X have criticized her for not adapting to mismatches or maximizing the roster’s potential, though her track record—three straight Sweet 16s and a shared ACC title in 2024-25—suggests competence. Still, the team’s late-season fade and postseason exit have led to speculation about locker room issues or a disconnect, with posts on X hinting at internal friction or dissatisfaction driving the transfer decisions.

The broader landscape of women’s college basketball adds pressure. The sport’s growth, coupled with NIL opportunities and a robust transfer portal, has spread talent across programs like USC, South Carolina, and Tennessee, making it harder for Notre Dame to dominate recruiting as it once did against a smaller pool of elite competitors (e.g., UConn, Stanford). The program’s academic rigor might also deter some top transfers or recruits seeking quicker paths to prominence elsewhere.

That said, it’s not all doom and gloom. Notre Dame still has Olivia Miles, who could return, and a strong recruiting foundation. The transfers might reflect individual choices—Hidalgo’s defensive growth, Citron’s next step, or King’s fit—rather than a sinking ship. Historically, the program has rebounded from setbacks, and Ivey’s emphasis on defense (e.g., the "Perfect Defense" drill) showed promise in the tournament’s early rounds. Whether this is a temporary stumble or a deeper unraveling depends on how they regroup for 2025-26. For now, the narrative of "falling apart" seems amplified by recent losses and roster changes, but the full story is still unfolding.
this is pie in the sky homer talk
Miles is not coming back
total late season collapse and all these transfers IS FALLING APART by definition

we were recruiting very well into this year so the NIL excuse is looking thin

In the end Ivey is the captain of the ship that hit the rocks and is taking on water
 
this is pie in the sky homer talk
Miles is not coming back
total late season collapse and all these transfers IS FALLING APART by definition

we were recruiting very well into this year so the NIL excuse is looking thin

In the end Ivey is the captain of the ship that hit the rocks and is taking on water
i doubt grok is a notre dame homer.
 
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