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[rrdd2021]

Not so sure it's as big as you think as I visit most of the B1G sites and many - including OSU - are not shelving out big money to recruits. What's bad is that every time a school pulls in a 5 star. others automatically start pointing to NIL. Same with Saban and Alabama as I believe both of those schools point to how many of their kids are in the NFL - where the HUGE money is at - I believe they're #1 and #2.

Now, on the other hand, do their star players bring in the NIL ? You better believe it. I read that both CJ Stroud and Bryce Young (Alabama) both were pulling in 7 figures in NIL money last year and that's what they point out to the recruits. The OSU RB - Henderson - who was injured most of last year - is pulling in around $400,000.

The schools that are throwing insane money at recruits are Miami, TAM and most recently Kentucky. Most schools - including OSU, Michigan, PSU, and ND - don't want to throw huge money at HS kids not even knowing if they'll make it once they hit the campus. In fact, OSU was all set to take a kid named Lightfoot's commitment yesterday when Miami threw money at him and he came back to OSU seeing if they would match it - he's off to Miami.

One word - keep an eye on the Texas oil money in the future. Perfect example - that TAMU class a year or two ago.

Yeah agree. I don't think most of the CF powers are throwing out big money at the recruits except for a handful on notable exceptions. OSU ? Their star players - like you said - are really pulling in the NIL and that's what they point out to the recruits plus their huge success of putting players in the NFL. Same with ND and Michigan. Those schools aren't stupid enough to throw massive amounts of money to HS kids, many of whom will never make it in CF

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

Yeah agree. I don't think most of the CF powers are throwing out big money at the recruits except for a handful on notable exceptions. OSU ? Their star players - like you said - are really pulling in the NIL and that's what they point out to the recruits plus their huge success of putting players in the NFL. Same with ND and Michigan. Those schools aren't stupid enough to throw massive amounts of money to HS kids, many of whom will never make it in CF

Right. And it's a frustrating problem, because 5 star recruits are going to schools that are promsing boatloads of money and transferring or being dismissed after one year (see T A&M) and schools like ND are saying... I told you so.

 

[Get Nasty]

What is mind boggling to me is that ND consistently has had the same amount of 4 star recruits in comparsion to the elite programs in the last decade. I would think this would generate enough support and curiosity of 5 star guys, as the support cast is there for them to succeed. Just think had ND gotten Dante Moore, Jason Moore, Keeley, and Bowen from last year. And this year Scott, Rushing, Williams. Man this conversation would be different.

I hear too many conflicting reports on ND and NIL. On one hand, I'm hearing they're in the top 10 for it. On the other hand, I'm hearing they're not competitive enough. I thought the FUND arrangement was supposed to take care of this, but I guess its a work in progress. My guess is that the struggle is ND is being ethical in their approach and not promising anything to recruits, but telling recruits there are NIL opportunities and other programs are basically guaranteeing a pay for play promise.

The difference is the top teams get a game changer 5 stars as well, we get 3 star Clarence Lewis, or Marist, etc etc that become multi year starters and struggle vs great college players the top teams have.

 

[chaseball]

Yeah agree. I don't think most of the CF powers are throwing out big money at the recruits except for a handful on notable exceptions. OSU ? Their star players - like you said - are really pulling in the NIL and that's what they point out to the recruits plus their huge success of putting players in the NFL. Same with ND and Michigan. Those schools aren't stupid enough to throw massive amounts of money to HS kids, many of whom will never make it in CF

ND has a collective and Brady Quinn has done a lot of successful fundraising for it. I heard it's a pretty modest collective though compared to other schools. From what I gather this NIL collective is donor/booster/etc. money that gets equally dispersed to the players on the team, and in return, the players are required to do various "volunteer" appearances and other "volunteer" community work.

I can see other schools having really fat collectives where the players are just given the cash no strings attached and the most in demand prospects on the roster getting a negotiated piece of that pie.

There's a lot of passion behind college football and people with really deep pocketbooks happy to pay for an advantage for their school. I guess when you are worth more money than you can ever spend in a lifetime what is another several million dollars to help your school land that impact recruit? lol

Also, to your other point, organizations invest millions of dollars in *future* talent every year with the risk that that talent may never provide a dime of ROI/never take a live rep/etc. That's just the cost of doing business in competitive sports. The organization loses money in individual cases from time to time, but typically profit as a whole in aggregate.

 

[Terry Jillery]

Right. And it's a frustrating problem, because 5 star recruits are going to schools that are promsing boatloads of money and transferring or being dismissed after one year (see T A&M) and schools like ND are saying... I told you so.

You don’t think? Where do you get your information? Your wife? Your newspaper?

 

[Terry Jillery]

ND has a collective and Brady Quinn has done a lot of successful fundraising for it. I heard it's a pretty modest collective though compared to other schools. From what I gather this NIL collective is donor/booster/etc. money that gets equally dispersed to the players on the team, and in return, the players are required to do various "volunteer" appearances and other "volunteer" community work.

I can see other schools having really fat collectives where the players are just given the cash no strings attached and the most in demand prospects on the roster getting a negotiated piece of that pie.

There's a lot of passion behind college football and people with really deep pocketbooks happy to pay for an advantage for their school. I guess when you are worth more money than you can ever spend in a lifetime what is another several million dollars to help your school land that impact recruit? lol

Also, to your other point, organizations invest millions of dollars in *future* talent every year with the risk that that talent may never provide a dime of ROI/never take a live rep/etc. That's just the cost of doing business in competitive sports. The organization loses money in individual cases from time to time, but typically profit as a whole in aggregate.

ND isn’t doing Jack shit. No need for long winded explanations.

 

[chaseball]

ND isn’t doing Jack shit. No need for long winded explanations.

They have some kind of NIL collective with brady quinn heavily involved.

Friends of the University of Notre Dame becomes official NIL sponsor

The nonprofit NIL collective Friends of the University of Notre Dame is now an official sponsor of Notre Dame Athletics.

www.on3.com

 

[BucksLAN]

Not so sure it's as big as you think as I visit most of the B1G sites and many - including OSU - are not shelving out big money to recruits. What's bad is that every time a school pulls in a 5 star. others automatically start pointing to NIL. Same with Saban and Alabama as I believe both of those schools point to how many of their kids are in the NFL - where the HUGE money is at - I believe they're #1 and #2.

Now, on the other hand, do their star players bring in the NIL ? You better believe it. I read that both CJ Stroud and Bryce Young (Alabama) both were pulling in 7 figures in NIL money last year and that's what they point out to the recruits. The OSU RB - Henderson - who was injured most of last year - is pulling in around $400,000.

The schools that are throwing insane money at recruits are Miami, TAM and most recently Kentucky. Most schools - including OSU, Michigan, PSU, and ND - don't want to throw huge money at HS kids not even knowing if they'll make it once they hit the campus. In fact, OSU was all set to take a kid named Lightfoot's commitment yesterday when Miami threw money at him and he came back to OSU seeing if they would match it - he's off to Miami.

One word - keep an eye on the Texas oil money in the future. Perfect example - that TAMU class a year or two ago.

OSU definitely does not shelve out big money to recruits, and at times I wish we did because we have lost more than a half dozen key recruiting battles between 23-24 classes because of it. However, where OSU shines in NIL is what our players make once they're on the team. That is one of the best in the nation from what I hear, but it doesn't mean much when recruits want all this up front money and they go to the Miami's and Texas A&M's of the world because they're more desperate.

As for the Lightfoot situation you nailed it, I guess Miami gave him an insane offer and went to the OSU staff and told them to pay more or he'll commit to Miami, and that was that. Really hate what recruiting has become but hopefully that's just an outlier. This NIL money and high schoolers thing needs to be regulated, I thought NIL was suppose to be for the student athletes, not some bribe with upfront money to commit to your school.

 

[rrdd2021]

OSU definitely does not shelve out big money to recruits, and at times I wish we did because we have lost more than a half dozen key recruiting battles between 23-24 classes because of it. However, where OSU shines in NIL is what our players make once they're on the team. That is one of the best in the nation from what I hear, but it doesn't mean much when recruits want all this up front money and they go to the Miami's and Texas A&M's of the world because they're more desperate.

As for the Lightfoot situation you nailed it, I guess Miami gave him an insane offer and went to the OSU staff and told them to pay more or he'll commit to Miami, and that was that. Really hate what recruiting has become but hopefully that's just an outlier. This NIL money and high schoolers thing needs to be regulated, I thought NIL was suppose to be for the student athletes, not some bribe with upfront money to commit to your school.

I've read a lot of the same on different sites. Schools like ND, OSU, Michigan and PSU are not throwing the insane money at the recruits like the wanna bes of TAMU and Miami (and a few others). And it's cost all of those schools a few recruits.

But you are correct about OSU players getting bigtime NIL once they get on the team. I saw a list of several players - even OL - well into the 6 figures and that's what OSU points out to the recruits. But give OSU credit, they won't throw money at an unproven HS player. Once they prove themselves, it's a whole different ballgame

 

[DieHard_Irish]

I've read a lot of the same on different sites. Schools like ND, OSU, Michigan and PSU are not throwing the insane money at the recruits like the wanna bes of TAMU and Miami (and a few others). And it's cost all of those schools a few recruits.

But you are correct about OSU players getting bigtime NIL once they get on the team. I saw a list of several players - even OL - well into the 6 figures and that's what OSU points out to the recruits. But give OSU credit, they won't throw money at an unproven HS player. Once they prove themselves, it's a whole different ballgame

Ewers reportedly signed an NIL deal worth $1.4 million at Ohio State, then got lost in the depth chart and transfered to Texas. Wouldn't $1.4 million be considered throwing money at a HS player?

 

[rrdd2021]

Ewers reportedly signed an NIL deal worth $1.4 million at Ohio State, then got lost in the depth chart and transfered to Texas. Wouldn't $1.4 million be considered throwing money at a HS player?

He signed the $1.4 million deal with a marketing company out of Baltimore - GT Sports Marketing which has nothing to do with OSU. He - or any CF player - is free to choose any marketing company they want.

 

[DieHard_Irish]

He signed the $1.4 million deal with a marketing company out of Baltimore - GT Sports Marketing which has nothing to do with OSU. He - or any CF player - is free to choose any marketing company they want.

And do you really believe that the school had nothing to do with that, no influence at all? Wow

 

[rrdd2021]

And do you really believe that the school had nothing to do with that, no influence at all? Wow

Go online and pull it up. If it was an Ohio firm, I'd be skeptical. But Baltimore ? WOW? Maybe learn the facts before posting next time. GT Sports still has their deal in place with Ewers even after he transferred to Texas

 

[DieHard_Irish]

Go online and pull it up. If it was an Ohio firm, I'd be skeptical. But Baltimore ? WOW? Maybe learn the facts before posting next time. GT Sports still has their deal in place with Ewers even after he transferred to Texas

I don't believe the schools have zero influence on any of these deals. Whether that be OSU or Texas. Call me skeptical, that's fine, but NIL is as dirty as it gets. Per Greg Schiano NIL = Now it's legal

 

[ND Heaven68]

I don't believe the schools have zero influence on any of these deals. Whether that be OSU or Texas. Call me skeptical, that's fine, but NIL is as dirty as it gets. Per Greg Schiano NIL = Now it's legal

I'm a big TCU fan (favorite Southern team) and have followed the Ewers saga BS closely as I absolutely did not want him back at Texas. He's a Texas HS legend and his NIL value shot through the roof - in Texas - when he announced he was transferring back to Texas. GT Sports was ecstatic as their sole purpose in acquiring his NIL was to make money. Neither Texas or OSU - or any school - had anything to do with the deal no matter how hard you spin it. You do realize that they're an East Coast firm, right ? Neither Texas or OSU has very much influence in that part of the country

 

[buckey]

These 5 stars don’t want to mess with academics. even from a good chicago catholic school. Especially when mom turns toward the money. Can’t compete. What a shame

 

[sjb75]

These 5 stars don’t want to mess with academics. even from a good chicago catholic school. Especially when mom turns toward the money. Can’t compete. What a shame

Thanks.

 

[BucksLAN]

And do you really believe that the school had nothing to do with that, no influence at all? Wow

Ohio State had nothing to do with it. The firm/people in question are guys that are blacklisted from the university, Kirk Barton and NevadaBuck. They're seen as the bad apples of the insiders of OSU sports. Quinn Ewers reclassified, skipping his senior year of HS and coming to OSU in August of 2021, which believe it or not was not what Ryan Day wanted to happen, as it messed up QB recruiting for classes ahead of it. Ewers essentially grabbed a million dollar bag from those guys and transferred in December to Texas.

With that being said the university is obviously tied to other NIL agency (1870 and the foundation for example) but they aren't and weren't tied to that one in question