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Today's Orange Bowl press conference

What a tool Franklin is! Marcus Freeman looked like he would have rather been anywhere else but up on the stage with that putz.
Another good reason to kick their ass tomorrow night!
Exactly.

FIRST......If PSU could be independent they would be independent.
SECOND......The bulletin board material was literally priceless.
THIRD......Stop complaining about conference championship games.......PSU chooses to get in a conference.
Fourth.....If you are going to try to clean up the mess you've just made you'll need to do a better job than talking about the the team you've just criticized HC's perfect haircut
 
You are wrong, sir. PSU did not give up their cherished, treasured, sublime independence, which no one gives a F about anywhere other than ND fans, for whom it has become a fetish typically deified for its own sake, but occasionally defended when under attack as being a totally superior status to enjoy purely on strategic and economic grounds.... they did not do so only because their backs were against the proverbial wall and they were almost insolvent, otherwise they would be happily and preferably 'independent' to this day.

I feel like I can say with absolute certainty, without knowing any insider details, that it was done simply as a reasonable, prudent decision to make, as there is no reason to be averse to conference membership, certainly not a conference like the Big Ten, and that the time had come and they were going to go ahead and make this move, whatever changes it might have on the status quo for PSU that up to that point that they had through sheer time and inertia gotten used to, and was comfortable as an old shoe. And so they joined the Big Ten. And it was a great move for them. Natural move, no downsides really. Win win win all around.

But you insist on portraying it differently, which I think hurts your cause. Don't defend 'independence' on the merits. It makes you look weak, as if you need reassurance, and justification as a particularly sound and superior arrangement for a CFB program to want to have and jealously maintain. Just say that's how we roll at ND, that's how we like to do it, which is true. And never mind what our reasons are, which frankly it'd be better not to get into. And F y'all if you don't like it. You're being honest that way. And it's way more of an alpha move.
They do care about "independence", or they would stop talking about it
The down side is they have to share their income with teams that will never reach their achievements.
Conferences remind me of the European Union
The rest of your post is its usual nonsense.
 
Exactly.

FIRST......If PSU could be independent they would be independent.
SECOND......The bulletin board material was literally priceless.
THIRD......Stop complaining about conference championship games.......PSU chooses to get in a conference.
Fourth.....If you are going to try to clean up the mess you've just made you'll need to do a better job than talking about the the team you've just criticized HC's perfect haircut
LOL, DIP!

You are right about Franklin. I really hadn't watched much of him before the presser, but he struck me as sort of a strange bird. Not sure there was really any bulletin board material in there, but his awkwardness was quite a contrast to Freeman's delivery.
 
You made my point for me. PSU joined the Big 10 due largely, if not solely, to financial considerations. PSU was looking out after its own self interests, as it should. But the reverse is also true. If financial (or any other) considerations dictate that independence is a better thing for ND, why is that any of Franklin's concern? His argument is a bad one. If there comes a time when it will be in ND's best interests to join a conference, I expect it will. But that time isn't here now. And it isn't Franklin's business to preach to us about it.
I didn't make your point for you. I said that's not why they did it. And instead that all PSU needed to was get their courage up, and a little gumption going and make this move and go ahead and join the Big Ten, which they wouldn't regret and would be great for the program, and they weren't really losing a thing, other than being independent, which is really nothing. And they so did and the rest is history. They didn't desperately want to stay independent and they quietly rue the move to this day. They don't regret it, they're happy to be in the Big Ten because it rocks to be in a powerhouse conference, even if it was a big move to make at the time.

I don't know, maybe they lost their rivalry with Pitt. Didn't they used to play every year, I don't remember at all. ND if it joined a conference might lose their rivalry with Navy, which is another totally unbending and defining tradition that is non-negotiable for them. But not USC though, that's convenient.

And I would reject the disingenuous characterization of ND's independence as being in their 'best interests'. It's just what ND likes. If anything it's proven quite an inconvenience to the athletic dept. as a whole. But they're badass enough to thumb their nose at the world. Because they're ND, true CFB royalty. The original blue blood. So don't defend it. And definitely don't present non-conference, nonaligned 'independence' as some obviously preferable and superior arrangement for a sports team to enjoy. That's just sounds odd, and even a little kooky.
 
LOL, DIP!

You are right about Franklin. I really hadn't watched much of him before the presser, but he struck me as sort of a strange bird. Not sure there was really any bulletin board material in there, but his awkwardness was quite a contrast to Freeman's delivery.
The bulletin board to me was Notre Dame plays a weak schedule though the weakest team on the current schedule was from the B10, and the crying about ND's independence as if it unfair to ghe rest of college football, when in fact the majority of the "Blue Bloods" of college football have the clout but not the balls to do it
 
Franklin is just pissed that he and PSU have to split their revenue from the CFP with 17 other teams while ND keeps it all.
 
It was time to talk about the upcoming game and not whine about peripheral things, like conference membership. Maybe he was too apprehensive to think or talk about the upcoming game? Hopefully he's quite worried about what's about to happen. It seems like it.
 
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It was time to talk about the upcoming game and not whine about peripheral things, like conference membership. Maybe he was too apprehensive to think or talk about the upcoming game? Hopefully he's quite worried about what's about to happen. It seems like it.
He was just trying to F with MF. I didn't see it but apparently MF handled it well. Wasn't going to get rattled. And that was what old boy was trying to do, rattle him a little bit. And our guy wouldn't bite. Or so I'm told. I mean let's be real, MF>>>JF. JF is no slouch, but MF is already passing him. And JF is understandably insecure about it. All we gotta do now is get the win.
 
He was just trying to F with MF. I didn't see it but apparently MF handled it well. Wasn't going to get rattled. And that was what old boy was trying to do, rattle him a little bit. And our guy wouldn't bite. Or so I'm told. I mean let's be real, MF>>>JF. JF is no slouch, but MF is already passing him. And JF is understandably insecure about it. All we gotta do now is get the win.
I did watch it and Coach Freeman handled it well, as he handles all things quite well. If Franklin was trying to gain an edge, it didn't work. Just some empty time when he could have been talking about the game.
 
Franklin should have received some guidance before this press conference. Expound on non-field issues of your own team......not your opponent's.
Freeman has Lou as a mentor. Paterno is unavailable for Franklin.
It's funny you should mention UConn, because I think they would end up in Penn State's conference if Franklin got what he's asking for. I mean, if teams are forced to join conferences then some governing body would need choose who goes where. And that governing body would base it on geography, right? So Mr. Franklin, here's your new 16-team conference based on your wishes:

BC
UMass
UConn
Syracuse
Buffalo
Army
Rutgers
Temple
Maryland
Navy
James Madison
West Virginia
Penn State
Pitt
Kent St.
Akron
LOL please put Penn State in some Frankenstein Big East.
 
Exactly.

FIRST......If PSU could be independent they would be independent.
SECOND......The bulletin board material was literally priceless.
THIRD......Stop complaining about conference championship games.......PSU chooses to get in a conference.
Fourth.....If you are going to try to clean up the mess you've just made you'll need to do a better job than talking about the the team you've just criticized HC's perfect haircut
DIP, you were right about the bulletin board material. Here is what The Athletic said about what Marcus Freeman thought about Franklin's comments at the presser:


"Notre Dame’s head coach had just returned from a final news conference before kickoff, the kind of throwaway media gathering usually forgotten before the last bowl trophy photo can be snapped. This wasn’t one of those times. Not for Freeman, Notre Dame’s head coach whose youth had cut against the grain of what it takes to succeed in this sport of old guards and vintage attitudes. A head coach panned for not winning enough big games decided to make a point about his counterpart.

"Penn State head coach James Franklin playfully asked Freeman how old he was. He complimented his hairline. He might as well have patted the 38-year-old on the head and told him what a good job he was doing. Because that’s how Freeman heard it, gritting his teeth throughout. And now Freeman was going to give that energy to a new source.

"His players could hardly believe it.

“He was angry. He was angry with the press conference thing, whatever was going on between that,” safety Xavier Watts said. “He was mad about that. All the anger went toward us and that anger went onto the field.”


I watched the press conference again and you could see the anger sort of seething in Freeman. Thank you James Franklin.
 
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