Scott to tOSU
- Thread starter jcswoopnh
- Start date
Last 2 years, 8 total commits so far
5 four stars, 3 three stars
And to me, Mullins is a stud and a top 150 type recruit not a 3 star. And Mukam has as much upside as any player we've landed
Is it elite, no. It's it really good, yeah
I think these guys have big time talent of that group, Traore Vernon Mukam Thomas Young Mullins. And the other 2 I think are solid type players Houstan and Serevino
People are overreacting about the players we missed, which sucks, but not giving enough credit to the guys we landed
It's a really good group
Our class was almost done last year so that is an unfair way to look at it.
Last year we had the 8th overall class in terms of player rankings really good.
And our 24 class is really good so far
And I assume you aren't counting 25 because the tight end is a stud
Fickell will be the next OSU head coach if, and when, Day leaves for the NFL. He bleeds scarlet & gray and grew up in the north end of Columbus. He went to tons of OSU games as a kid and, as we all know, played there in the 90s.
I had already written him off a few months ago when it became obvious he just wanted the bag. Not landing KVA or Lambert would bug me more at this point
Fickell... lol
You complain about recruiting and then want to have Fickell
Their recruiting has gotten worse since he has been there and he hasn't landed 1 top 300 kid yet and missed on his in state talent so far.
But yeah go get Fickell... lol
It's been a known fact that - even from the OSU staff - that their biggest weakness or the last 2 or 3 years has been their defense, especially the DT and DBs. It's cost them bigtime and they're now going all out in recruiting - and the Portal - trying to fix it. If you go the OSU websites, it sounds J. Scott this is just the tip of the iceberg. Their defensive haul in 2024 could be one for the ages.
The troubling part for ND is that OSU has never had a huge presence in Chicago recruiting. Just read that they're now favored to land DE Lightfoot which would give them - arguably - the top 2 players in Illinois-Chicago although Miami is now rumored to be throwing tons of cash at Lightfoot trying to change his mind. Not good for the other Midwest CF powerhouses
The troubling part for ND is that OSU has never had a huge presence in Chicago recruiting. Just read that they're now favored to land DE Lightfoot which would give them - arguably - the top 2 players in Illinois-Chicago although Miami is now rumored to be throwing tons of cash at Lightfoot trying to change his mind. Not good for the other Midwest CF powerhouses
Last edited:
Houstan has chance to be really good. Kid has a great personality and is a leader
Very applicable.....this coaching staff has to earn the trust and respect of high level recruits. Win big games like osu...give them a reason to say yes.
i'm not cherry picking or manipulating numbers, include the 25 TE and Dlinemen
11 4 stars and 9 3 stars in the last 10 months, with only 3 players in the top 200.
That's not even close to good enough.
Love Minchey Thomas Johnson Young Roberts are top 200 in that time frame. Thats 6 not 3. Come on
Thats counting Mullins as a 3 star as well and thats one of those Lol type deals. Who cares about that ranking for him because come on lol
We turned down the Ct twins for him and Young. We could have made it look nice with the extra 4 star player but we got the better player
“ A great season would put us on level with dispelling much of the bs flying around “. This is key! We read A lot of positive comments about Freeman from recruits, but we rarely if ever read that he’s a proven winner on the field. We need to win the games we’re supposed to win, and I think we need to beat two of Ohio St, Clemson, and USC. I do think Freeman and his staff resonate with top rated recruits, but they have yet to prove they can produce a playoff quality team. We all know the perceived negatives of ND competing on the recruitment trail, but consistently winning at a very high level will more than offset these.
Don't quite see Hartline - yet - being a HC candidate. Yes, he might be the best recruiter in CF but that's a big jump for him as he's only been a CF asst for what - 3 or 4 years.
I forgot about Vrabel and yeah, he would be a huge hire by OSU. He's just one tough SOB. I believe Fickell and Vrabel are close friends and played on the same DL in the 90s at OSU
Totally agree. But I still come back to his recruiting chops. I am thrilled with his attitude n approach to recruiting. And there is no denying he is very skilled at it. That said, it’s not quite enough - yet. Sure he’s a huge improvement. But closing is key. And some on this board will think I’m bashing freeman and being overly critical
The contrary. I want him to be what he aspires to be - the best. And to be the best you have to anticipate the liabilities your competition will bring up. Know what Larry Johnson is going to emphasize. Know how the temptations of Miami will sway a youngster. And then when you smartly n graciously tell the recruit not to rush and commit to ND — you make a pact to meet again and review what he has learned. You get one more shot to help the kid do what’s best for him
If he then chooses to go elsewhere, everyone wins
That is how you close. Closing means not leaving it on the table. It’s not just about winning
Freeman did not do that
You should apply for a CFB head coaching job. Show everyone how it should be done.
Of course but it's games against the big boys that can make a difference in recruiting kids like Justin Scott
Top kids would still take more notice beating osu
Thanks SJB. I know you jest but my comments apply to any great salesperson who knows how to close. The great ones are rare. Freeman has almost every tool. I want to see him succeed at recruiting and if he doesn’t, it should not be because he didn’t think of all liabilities and he should have gotten Scott back on campus before a decision
This isn’t the nfl where talent is pretty close… nd should be able to have a bad game and beat Louisville
I do jest. I lived this site when seemingly everyone wanted Brian Kelly fired after 4-8 in 2016. I publicly supported BK then, and fast forward, I choose to not spend a whole lot of time criticizing this head coach over a recruiting decision and 8-4 in 2022. Especially recruiting DT's that historically has been tough for ND, unlike the OL, and the 2022 season that saw the inexperienced starting QB go down for the regular season in game 2.
I very much like the depth chart going forward, and I look forward to the 2023 season.
Last edited:
Consistent is correct. At least the dude sticks to his schtick.
Look, Scott to OSU is not the shocker some at making it out to be - in fact, it makes sense. If you follow CF, you would know that OSU has had problems on defense the last 2 to 3 years and probably would have had another NC or two if it wasn't for their horseshit defenses lately. Their selling top defensive recruits on the idea of playing on a NC team when they help fix it in the next couple of years. They've even acquired some top DBs in the Portal.
What you say is very true but Johnson sold Scott on his history of getting d linemen to nfl. So how does Johnson reconcile his bad d over past few years? Clearly Scott is not astute to connect dots And doesn’t know recent OSu d line history
Scott strikes me as a kid who is easily swayed. He has gone from 4 teams and each was his leader at some point
That’s why I say freeman did not close by getting him back on campus for one more visit. If he still picked OSu then good for him but we never got that shot after advising him not to commit to us n take his visits
Scott strikes me as a kid who is easily swayed. He has gone from 4 teams and each was his leader at some point
That’s why I say freeman did not close by getting him back on campus for one more visit. If he still picked OSu then good for him but we never got that shot after advising him not to commit to us n take his visits
OSU got their NIL stuff resolved. That’s also helping a lot. ND falling further in that regard as more programs step it up.
NFL but also NIL. The vast majority want both. I don’t know of any 5 stars that don’t want it.
Happy Fourth Ski! Frankly, I don’t know What Freeman did or didn’t do in recruiting Scott. I’ve read that Washington didn’t recruit him well, but don’t know this either. I view ND as a niche product…a small Catholic university that offers a great education and post graduation network, and top ten football that will get any deserving player into the NFL. Facilities are good, but not great. Nightlife is limited. Easy courses are not available and class attendance is required, as is doing the work to get a passing grade. Players live on campus and with the student body instead of off campus luxury condos among themselves. And many more distinctions, most notably NIL. I feel that Freeman is selling this great Cadillac to a few top tier players that are looking for a hot Corvette. I put Scott in this category. Not sure a great close is going to change this. Overall, I think we’re recruiting at a pretty high level, just not getting traction with the 5 star HS elite...yet!
What is mind boggling to me is that ND consistently has had the same amount of 4 star recruits in comparsion to the elite programs in the last decade. I would think this would generate enough support and curiosity of 5 star guys, as the support cast is there for them to succeed. Just think had ND gotten Dante Moore, Jason Moore, Keeley, and Bowen from last year. And this year Scott, Rushing, Williams. Man this conversation would be different.
I hear too many conflicting reports on ND and NIL. On one hand, I'm hearing they're in the top 10 for it. On the other hand, I'm hearing they're not competitive enough. I thought the FUND arrangement was supposed to take care of this, but I guess its a work in progress. My guess is that the struggle is ND is being ethical in their approach and not promising anything to recruits, but telling recruits there are NIL opportunities and other programs are basically guaranteeing a pay for play promise.
Not so sure it's as big as you think as I visit most of the B1G sites and many - including OSU - are not shelving out big money to recruits. What's bad is that every time a school pulls in a 5 star. others automatically start pointing to NIL. Same with Saban and Alabama as I believe both of those schools point to how many of their kids are in the NFL - where the HUGE money is at - I believe they're #1 and #2.
Now, on the other hand, do their star players bring in the NIL ? You better believe it. I read that both CJ Stroud and Bryce Young (Alabama) both were pulling in 7 figures in NIL money last year and that's what they point out to the recruits. The OSU RB - Henderson - who was injured most of last year - is pulling in around $400,000.
The schools that are throwing insane money at recruits are Miami, TAM and most recently Kentucky. Most schools - including OSU, Michigan, PSU, and ND - don't want to throw huge money at HS kids not even knowing if they'll make it once they hit the campus. In fact, OSU was all set to take a kid named Lightfoot's commitment yesterday when Miami threw money at him and he came back to OSU seeing if they would match it - he's off to Miami.
One word - keep an eye on the Texas oil money in the future. Perfect example - that TAMU class a year or two ago.
A lot of this I agree with but we’ve bent quite a bit over the years. We have film and tv , ( pretty popular major with a lot of the guys), and other course work that frankly is not that hard. remote classes, we have those now , and 200 tutors dedicated almost exclusively to fb team. Lots of our guys live off campus, I think freshmen still need to be on campus. So nd has made changes to appeal to present day athletes interests. I would really like to have more clarity on nil and where we stand and what we offer relative to other schools. It’s not like Hartman came here for nothing and Meyer and Hamilton were widely reported as two of the highest paid guys nationally, so our nil opportunities can’t be that bad
Similar threads
