Keep making excuses for another average QB. I bet you were on that Sammie Heisman bandwagon back in the summer and early fall.
Riley Leonard
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Hartman was considered a 5th round pick b4 he came to ND. Leonard is considered a 1st or 2nd. One is 5’10 and unathletic. One is 6’4 and very athletic. There’s a huge difference. The potential upside is higher with Leonard despite Hartman being the safe guy.
If I remember right Auburn offered Hartman 2 million in NIL money, but Hartman understood the value of coming to ND instead. Life in the SEC. The highest bidder usually wins. I think Leonard being smart as he is will see the same value.
Actions speak louder than words. He literally just followed 1/4 the ND team on instagram. It seems hard to imagine he’s not already decided.
Top12? I am good with that (as a floor?). 12 Ranking and only ones ok, will be you n I
The other point of view here is that Parker has targeted two dual threat QBs... Deuce and now Ridley... I take that as a sign that he wants more rpo and less pro style...
One can hope.
One can hope.
Please do not bring this kid to Notre Dame. He is a good runner, but not a good quarterback!!!!
Actually Leonard is considered as high as a 1st round pick by some, but most have him as a Day 2 prospect. I'm not buying the hype. Didn't buy it with Hartman and won't buy it with Leonard either.
There wasn't top round draft projections for Hartman. None. This kid is more talented
I never said Leonard is worse, the same, or better than Hartman. He may be better than hartman, but pro scouts see his weaknesses and there are many weaknesses.
Arm strength and elasticity both fall short of the elite mark.
Velocity wanes when pressing farther downfield or when passing off-platform.
Composure in tight pockets is inconsistent; struggles to hold mechanics in congestion.
Direct pressure threats from the interior can induce hesitation and collapse plays.
Can be sporadic and uncontrolled with footwork in pressure situations.
Frantic feet can tug shoulders out of alignment, causing launch-point instability.
Prone to erroneous misses with inconsistent down-to-down mechanics.
At times, lack of hip drive can cause downward shoulder tilt and low misses.
Still learning how to process pressure and the field simultaneously.
Sometimes hesitates when testing windows and can be quicker to anticipate.
Well if he was considered to be that high of a draft pick then it wouldn't make any sense for him to be going to ND or any other school.
Yeah he's not anywhere near Caleb Williams but if you see an evaluation from scouts there will be lots as well.
Look at an evaluation of Penix and Nix before the season this year from a real scout.... you'll see tons of weaknesses. That's what they do
Well… ND played 12 games. He was the only QB in the 12 that made me say “man I wish he wasNDs QB”
The Leonard evaluation was posted a month ago, not prior to the season, early October. Those projecting Leonard as a 1st round pick got giddy over his performance against Clemson. Some decided to hype him up after that. You just are foolish enough to buy into the hype, I'm not.
All these transfer portal QB's are doing is taking away experience from people currently on the roster. Do you trust them (and your own developmental skills) to eventually be good? If you do, then let them play and get the experience. Riley Freaking Leonard (or any of these transfer QB's) aren't winning ND a national championship next season.
These short-term portal grabs are job security decisions more than they are good football decisions.
These short-term portal grabs are job security decisions more than they are good football decisions.
We lose alot Alt, Estime, maybe Fisher, Hartman, Tyree on offense. Defense Kiser, JD, JB, Hart, Watts, Harper, Mills, Cross. Thats alot to replace.
So you did want Caleb Williams. Grande the ND defense owned him, but if he had a o line sky is the limit.
I will say one thing. When Riley left the FSU game it was over until then it was very competitive as mentioned on n other threads he reminds me of Buchner but has better accuracy.
It’s not guaranteed we lose all those defensive guys. Regardless though I think we’re in good position to replace pretty much all of them.
As for Leonard, I’ll be honest I’m not totally sold on his arm. I don’t hate the move, but he better earn that starting job.
Kizer was a really good QB. I maintain if he stayed in 2017 that team could have been 12-1. If Leonard is as good as Kizer arm wise then I’m very excited about the pick up. Problem is I don’t see anywhere near that arm talent from him…
He's one of the best cfb quarterbacks I've ever seen. To take Hartman over him is absolutely insane. Clausen and Kizer also had attitude issues.
Not a fan of them either. Listen bud. You do you I’ll do me. Have a friend with a kid who plays at USC. And he plays. Locker room had enough of Williams by September according to him.
Hartman is a better QB than this guy.
Well I’d hope so. He has 3 years more experience than Riley does. However that’s not the real question. The real question is: is Riley the best ND can get this season and if so, is he better than anybody else ND has on it’s roster?
Had a chance to watch highlights last night. He throws like Philip Rivers but has much more athleticism. I'd like to see a little more touch and loft on some of his balls tho. Does not shy away from contact and appears to actually enjoy it. Would be an excellent addition to the QB room considering we've seen such limited action from Angeli / Minchey.
I get the feeling that inexperienced Freshman / Sophomore QB's are going to have a hard time finding a starting spot at the top 15 - 20 programs moving forward. Freeman mentioned evaluating ALL players in college football, not once they've entered the portal - but PRIOR to that. A head coach at one of those top 20 schools would be doing them a disservice by NOT going and getting a proven QB at the college level over an unknown high school commodity.
Recruits like Deuce will need to be paid starter money from day 1 and paid to SIT as there will most certainly be a transfer qb available that gives us a better chance to win.
I get the feeling that inexperienced Freshman / Sophomore QB's are going to have a hard time finding a starting spot at the top 15 - 20 programs moving forward. Freeman mentioned evaluating ALL players in college football, not once they've entered the portal - but PRIOR to that. A head coach at one of those top 20 schools would be doing them a disservice by NOT going and getting a proven QB at the college level over an unknown high school commodity.
Recruits like Deuce will need to be paid starter money from day 1 and paid to SIT as there will most certainly be a transfer qb available that gives us a better chance to win.
I like Howard of Kansas State better but I would like to see this all play out. I definitely would like a guy who can run and run rpo's. I think with Price and Love and a running QB we could be a great running team.
Says who. Hart, Harper and Cross who is iffy will leave. Watts has committed for another year
