About Florida St.with regards to starting QB. Golson and Maguire ? Will Fisher put Golson on the sidelines now that FSU has lost 2 games ? FSU is no longer in the hunt for a BCS bid. Since Maguire has another year of eligibility ,maybe Fisher wants to prepare for the 2016 season. FSU plays North Carolina State ,Chattanooga ,Florida in their final 3 games .and a bowl game .
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if EG goes back in and is very good, Jimbo will hav opened himself up to a whole lot of criticism.
Francious gets some ply.
Francious gets some ply.
watching the clemson game....jumbo really berated golson...jumbo did not like it when golson did the ignore the coach routine....jumbo was worse than kelly was in 2014
Golson did not play versus Clemson, Fisher berated Golson versus Georgia Tech. Generally coaches will berate players who make the SAME mistake over and over again, My guess is Fisher started using Golson just as Brian Kelly used Golson in 2012. And like Brian Kelly, I'm guessing Fisher hoped he would progress into more of a playmaker and less of game manager,
Both coaches understood at some point handing the ball off and playing great defense is not going to be enough, I'm guessing Golson failed to make the transition, just as he failed to do so at ND
Both coaches understood at some point handing the ball off and playing great defense is not going to be enough, I'm guessing Golson failed to make the transition, just as he failed to do so at ND
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That was the Georgia Tech game. Golson had that same disinterested "don't talk to me" look he had a few times on the sidelines with Kelly at ND. My guess is it was not very well received by Jimbo.
EG thinks being an athlete who can throw a football is being a QB; not even close.
Golson was the starting QB of the team that got to the National Championship Game, I believe the ND leaders were Brian Kelly, Manti Teo & the 2012 defensive unit. Let us not forget Tommy Rees who came in for relief to win the Purdue, Michigan and Stanford games.
In 2012 - Manti Teo and the Defense are who led us to the NT title game - EG was bailed out in 2 of those games by TR. So, if your gonna try and stretch it to say EG led us to the NT game you need to include TR in that as well.
The Baltimore Ravens w/ Trent Dilfer were not led to that super bowl by Trent D. They were led by their great D that season - just like ND was in 2012 to the NT game. EG was no more than a game manager in 2012 who needed help along the way from TR.
As for turning on him - well he turned on his own teammates and coaches by transferring to a hated rival of all teams.
Great for EG that he obtained his ND degree - he will need it like all college grads do. Maybe you or the company you work for can hire him when he's done playing football.
And yes - the main reason I and I know a lot of others root for ND - is the fact that they graduate their players and they do it the right way.
The Baltimore Ravens w/ Trent Dilfer were not led to that super bowl by Trent D. They were led by their great D that season - just like ND was in 2012 to the NT game. EG was no more than a game manager in 2012 who needed help along the way from TR.
As for turning on him - well he turned on his own teammates and coaches by transferring to a hated rival of all teams.
Great for EG that he obtained his ND degree - he will need it like all college grads do. Maybe you or the company you work for can hire him when he's done playing football.
And yes - the main reason I and I know a lot of others root for ND - is the fact that they graduate their players and they do it the right way.
^^yes, I totally agree with this, both in terms of the leadership and Tommy. But this board continually rips Tommy, and now they've moved on to EG. The reminder I leave is that he was in part responsible for us getting there, and he was the starting QB, and he is a ND alum. Sorry but it bothers me when message board jockeys attack an alum. He gave ND what he had; had success both on the field and the classroom, graduated and moved on. Why can't we just celebrate that?
He didn't bail on his teammates or ND. He owes ND nothing more than graduating
He didn't bail on his teammates or ND. He owes ND nothing more than graduating
Don't disagree w/ that Diehard - you are right he had a big say in getting us to 12-0 and the NT game and I agree it is a great thing he came back after his suspension and to get his degree. He could of taken an easier path and just gone to another school at that time. The fact he came back and got his degree is a great thing. His transfer was a big head scratcher for me and at the time it felt like he was dogging ND. A good lesson for all including myself is that sometimes when things like that happen - something better comes of it - my mom likes to say - " a door closing means another one is about to open" and D. Kizer is who came through the open door for ND and thank god he was on our roster waiting for his chance.
Graduate or not, I'm ticked Golson bailed on ND--and apparently without telling anyone--after the school readmitted him and Kelly gave him so much leeway, despite his blunders, last year.
I don't really wish him ill because I think he is talented and helped us out, but I really don't wish him well either.
I would love to find out what happened that got him demoted at FSU.
I don't really wish him ill because I think he is talented and helped us out, but I really don't wish him well either.
I would love to find out what happened that got him demoted at FSU.
I didn't see the whole FSU / G Tech game - but he made some easy blunders in that one where the game should not of been close. It never should of come down to that blocked FG win for GTECH. He had an wide open Cook in the flat for a sure TD and didn't see him - then on the sideline when Jumbo was trying to talk to him - EG had that familiar f you look of not looking into his coaches eyes or seemingly not listening - a distant faraway look he used to give BK. It's amazing BK had the patience he had last season w/ him and stuck w/ him through the 22 turnovers.
I think it was that game is where Jimbo probably said - "wow - now I know what Bk went through last season and man I would of been better off not sending EG all those crab legs last winter and spring to South Bend to lure him away from the Golden Dome."
I think it was that game is where Jimbo probably said - "wow - now I know what Bk went through last season and man I would of been better off not sending EG all those crab legs last winter and spring to South Bend to lure him away from the Golden Dome."
^so do kids who leave early, as in don't graduate, are they bailing on there teammates?
Do you consider that bailing as well?
Do you consider that bailing as well?
Diehard, not sure where your going w/ this or how this is hard to understand. When a kid leaves his teammates to go play for another college team - yes - that is bailing on his coaches and teammates and school.
When a kid leaves early to the NFL to go earn a big payday (hopefully) - then obviously NO - that is not bailing on his teammates. Big difference. Not sure why that is hard to understand. You claim to be an ND grad ? Do they teach common sense at ND ?
When a kid leaves early to the NFL to go earn a big payday (hopefully) - then obviously NO - that is not bailing on his teammates. Big difference. Not sure why that is hard to understand. You claim to be an ND grad ? Do they teach common sense at ND ?
^Wrong, when you graduate (which is reason you came in the first place) you clearly are not bailing on your team. You have fulfilled your obligation and moved on, doing what you think is best for you. When you leave early, and do not graduate, you are in fact bailing on your team. And please don't question me on graduating or common sense.
Did Russel Wilson bail on his teammates when he went to Wisconsin? Or did he fulfill his obligation to NCS, then take his fifth year at Wisconsin?
Did Russel Wilson bail on his teammates when he went to Wisconsin? Or did he fulfill his obligation to NCS, then take his fifth year at Wisconsin?
Let's take Diehard's question a little further then. Is the ND football program bailing on kids when they have a 5th year of eligibility but aren't invited back? This "so and so bailed on somebody" shouldn't work one way. If EG bailed on his team when he didn't come back after he graduated then coach BK has bailed on several players who have wanted to come back to play for their 5th year but weren't allowed to.
Golson is done as a starter unless there's an injury. Clearly EG isnt significantly better, so they might as well try and develop 1 of the guys that will be returning after this season. He was playing pretty good, but nothing that made me say "damn i wish he wouldnt have left".we'll never know what would've happened had he returned to ND, but i dont think we'd be in a much different situation than where we're at anyhow, and Kizer has been a huge surprise. I seriously texted a friend when MZ was being carted off the field and said "season over". never did i think Kizer would play valuable minutes at ND, i always assumed it would go from MZ to BW. But now its looking like it might be his job for as long as he wants it.
I think this is all a matter of degrees, and I'm not talking about academic degrees. If Golson is one of a half dozen receivers who leaves after four years, it is one thing, but he was the presumed starting QB, or at the least, part-time QB. And from everything we've heard, he went through spring practice, was pretty much assured he had the inside track on the starting job, and ended up leaving with no notice. He left the team in a lurch. If he were the second string QB and Kelly did not extend to him the opportunity to return for a fifth year, I don't think that's the same thing because he would have presumably been in line to graduate anyway
I'm not going to waste energy hating him, but I'm certainly not going to cheer for him either.
It's not one way - it's called Div one athletics - if your good enough as a 5th year - you get asked to play again - "not everyone gets a trophy" as a D 1 athlete - this is not 10 year old soccer where every kid gets a trophy - pretty simple the best players play and make the team - if you are a 5th year and are good enough and there is a spot on the team available - you get the chance to play 1 more season. If you are not - you not asked to play a 5th year. Pretty simple. If you are 5th year and they want you back and you decide to transfer to another school - then yes you are bailing on your program and your school to go play for another program you and your school compete whether its on the field or in recruiting.
Yes - Russell Wilson bailed on his teammates and coaches to go play for Wisconsin.
It's not one way - it's called Div one athletics - if your good enough as a 5th year - you get asked to play again - "not everyone gets a trophy" as a D 1 athlete - this is not 10 year old soccer where every kid gets a trophy - pretty simple the best players play and make the team - if you are a 5th year and are good enough and there is a spot on the team available - you get the chance to play 1 more season. If you are not - you not asked to play a 5th year. Pretty simple. If you are 5th year and they want you back and you decide to transfer to another school - then yes you are bailing on your program and your school to go play for another program you and your school compete whether its on the field or in recruiting.
Yes - Russell Wilson bailed on his teammates and coaches to go play for Wisconsin.
You seem to be making my point. You seem to be saying if the team has a spot for you and wants you back you are obligated to come back even after you have graduated, but if the team has no spot for you they don't owe you anything because you will have your degree. That still looks like a one way street to me. Getting your degree and then moving on to what's best for you is supposed to be the point of going to college.
You obviously missed my point. I don't think all players with a 5th year option should be invited back, thus I don't think "everyone should get a trophy." My point was since a reasonable person would not think the coaching staff is bailing on a player by not inviting him back for a 5th year the same reasonable person should not think a player is bailing if he decides on his own to move on to a better opportunity after he graduates, and yes, judging by your response you seem to be admitting you think the process should operate as a one way street. I don't, and I don't think we'd be applying the same standard as you seem to be applying to any other ND graduate. Example: Is an ND graduate who moves on to get a law degree from Harvard turning his back on ND since he could have stayed and gone to ND law school?
Then, I guess we agree to disagree. I still think it is a matter of degrees. The university promises you a degree. If you are good enough, they can promise you a chance for fifth year (and a good start on a grad degree). It doesn't really matter if you are a second string offensive guard, but when you are supposedly in a leadership role, I think you owe your teammates more. And I think in Golson's case, given he managed to get himself kicked out of school for a year, it becomes more apparent that he owed his teammates something.
I think you are right. We should agree to disagree, but one (hopefully) last point we can agree to disagree on is your last point. Golson owed his teammates when he got kicked out in 2013, that is true. In 2014 the easier path would have been for Golson to move on but he didn't. He came back, worked hard to get his degree, and graduated. At that point the ledger should have been even. I've heard people say he owed the team more because he wouldn't have been given the same treatment if he weren't on the football team. That assumption is false. The ND Honor Code dictated Golson's punishment and his path to come back. He was treated just like any other ND student. I believe he righted his wrong once he got his degree and didn't owe ND anything more, but I doubt he looks at the situation just in those terms. I think he wanted to be an ND grad, and now that he is he will always be an ND man which is why I have a tendency to stick up for him when I see others try to tear him down.
Things change I guess, but:
FSU is close to announcing a starting quarterback for the 2015 season.
And once a starter is named, coach Jimbo Fisher said, there will be no going back.
“I’m not going to short-leash anybody,” Fisher said. “When I played, I did not want to look over my shoulder.”
FSU is close to announcing a starting quarterback for the 2015 season.
And once a starter is named, coach Jimbo Fisher said, there will be no going back.
“I’m not going to short-leash anybody,” Fisher said. “When I played, I did not want to look over my shoulder.”
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Golson bailed on the Irish twice. Once when he cheated on a test and once when he left after spring ball.
Coach Kelly did all he could to help Golson. But after all the help Golson went to the enemy.
Lessen learned. Next time Kelly will probably not support a cheater.
Golson slowed down ND after the great season of 2012.
Coach Kelly did all he could to help Golson. But after all the help Golson went to the enemy.
Lessen learned. Next time Kelly will probably not support a cheater.
Golson slowed down ND after the great season of 2012.
It is when you lose your starting job the first time the team loses
Golson should have been looking over his shoulder.
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