PSU QB is the best ND has faced. He is the real deal.

[FightingIrish44]

He had 2 picks called back on penalties. And they were both questionable.

What was the first one? I remember the Kiser pick.

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

What was the first one? I remember the Kiser pick.

Gray was called for holding and he picked it off in the end zone. I will admit I think technically both penalties were correct, but at the same time we see it happen all the time, would've been nice if they just let it go. Oh well.

 

[savvyandsassier]

What was the first one? I remember the Kiser pick.

Christian Gray. But then he got the one that mattered. I will say our defense is special, and our DBs. Brings out the worst in someone like Drew Allar.

 

[FightingIrish44]

Gray was called for holding and he picked it off in the end zone. I will admit I think technically both penalties were correct, but at the same time we see it happen all the time, would've been nice if they just let it go. Oh well.

I think the first call was legit…probably why I didn’t remember it. The second call was weak I think and 44 initiated contact. That was the refs thinking “oh he’s not looking at the ball…let’s flag him (not saying it was nefarious).

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

I think the first call was legit…probably why I didn’t remember it. The second call was weak I think and 44 initiated contact. That was the refs thinking “oh he’s not looking at the ball…let’s flag him (not saying it was nefarious).

I dont disagree, but it's just so hard to be a DB in football these days. How can you consistently be running full speed, looking and turning, and ONLY play the ball with little to no contact on the receiver?

 

[FightingIrish44]

I dont disagree, but it's just so hard to be a DB in football these days. How can you consistently be running full speed, looking and turning, and ONLY play the ball with little to no contact on the receiver?

Right. It’s difficult and why that thread was kind of silly about pass interference because the defender didn’t look for the ball (after Georgia).

I’ll have to review what happened on the Shuler play to see why it happened, but I really think 44 initiated the contact and the ref just assumed because Shuler wasn’t turned around. Tough break.

So happy ND won so we don’t have to always be mad at that.

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

Right. It’s difficult and why that thread was kind of silly about pass interference because the defender didn’t look for the ball (after Georgia).

I’ll have to review what happened on the Shuler play to see why it happened, but I really think 44 initiated the contact and the ref just assumed because Shuler wasn’t turned around. Tough break.

So happy ND won so we don’t have to always be mad at that.

Well 44 is kind of stopped as he jumps for the ball. Shuler has no idea where the ball is, already putting him in a tough spot and was running towards 44, so technically I'd say Shuler initiated contact, but it was clear he was trying so hard not to commit a penalty. Just a tough position to be in.

 

[FightingIrish44]

Well 44 is kind of stopped as he jumps for the ball. Shuler has no idea where the ball is, already putting him in a tough spot and was running towards 44, so technically I'd say Shuler initiated contact, but it was clear he was trying so hard not to commit a penalty. Just a tough position to be in.

I watched it multiple times after it occurred. 44 swings his arm around and contacts Shuler. It was such light contact anyway. I’m a few sheets to the wind though so perhaps I’m mistaken.

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

I watched it multiple times after it occurred. 44 swings his arm around and contacts Shuler. It was such light contact anyway. I’m a few sheets to the wind though so perhaps I’m mistaken.

You're not mistaken, but in a referee's observation is 44 interfering with Shuler's ability to catch the ball? No, 44 js playing for the ball. That's why 44 doesn't get PI and Shuler is seen as initiating contact and gets PI. That's my understanding anyway.

 

[FightingIrish44]

You're not mistaken, but in a referee's observation is 44 interfering with Shuler's ability to catch the ball? No, 44 js playing for the ball. That's why 44 doesn't get PI and Shuler is seen as initiating contact and gets PI. That's my understanding anyway.

I’m not saying that 44 should have gotten PI just so we’re on the same page. Agree that Shuler is seen as “initiating” contact but I don’t think he really did. 44 initiated contact but not in an interference type of way if that makes sense.

It should have been a no call and a pick for Kiser. It looked like the ref was marking ND for the ball on the 1 when it should have been a touchback IMO. I’m so glad ND won. Man it would have sucked for that to cost ND.

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

I’m not saying that 44 should have gotten PI just so we’re on the same page. Agree that Shuler is seen as “initiating” contact but I don’t think he really did. 44 initiated contact but not in an interference type of way if that makes sense.

It should have been a no call and a pick for Kiser. It looked like the ref was marking ND for the ball on the 1 when it should have been a touchback IMO. I’m so glad ND won. Man it would have sucked for that to cost ND.

Gotcha.

Agreed with your 2nd paragraph!

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

I didn't realize this till watching sportscenter just now. Allar did not complete a single pass to a wide receiver. Wow that is bad.

 

[Zorich 88]

I really enjoyed his pick 7 this season. Thank you, Drew

He was lucky to have a couple other picks reversed tonight.

There’s no way this guy was the top QB we faced this year. He blew the game for Penn State.

The guy had a very good season and is a very good QB. The ND defense stopped him and made him look bad. The kid is good.

 

[McCallen ND NYC]

The guy had a very good season and is a very good QB. The ND defense stopped him and made him look bad. The kid is good.

He was the third best QB to play yesterday. Riley and Angeli were both better than him.

I didn’t watch any of his games but he missed some very easy throws yesterday and didn’t complete one reception to a WR. Penn State settled for a field goal instead of TD because he couldn’t throw a 5 yard pass to the RB. He had multiple interceptions on passes longer than 10 yards. He’s a big kid who is hard to tackle but his passing accuracy was not good yesterday. 44 made him look good.

Stockton from GA was more dangerous and accurate than Drew. The USC QB played much better against ND as well…

 

[Drinking The Green Koolaid]

Allar just wasn't very good last night. The first pick called back was probably legit, but seemed ticky tack; the second was a bad call IMO, for reasons others have expressed here. Luckily there was nothing for the refs to gift PSU on the third.

Some QBs play scared when the game is on the line. That is how Allar played. Others step up their game. That is how Riley Leonard played. And that was all the difference.

 

[Zorich 88]

He was the third best QB to play yesterday. Riley and Angeli were both better than him.

I didn’t watch any of his games but he missed some very easy throws yesterday and didn’t complete one reception to a WR. Penn State settled for a field goal instead of TD because he couldn’t throw a 5 yard pass to the RB. He had multiple interceptions on passes longer than 10 yards. He’s a big kid who is hard to tackle but his passing accuracy was not good yesterday. 44 made him look good.

Stockton from GA was more dangerous and accurate than Drew. The USC QB played much better against ND as well…

Just as I stated before the game, Allar is a good QB no matter what he looks like vs ND. I still stand by the statement he is the best ND has faced. This is the worst game he played all season. Similar to what ND did to Rourke at Indiana.