PSU QB is the best ND has faced. He is the real deal.
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Gray was called for holding and he picked it off in the end zone. I will admit I think technically both penalties were correct, but at the same time we see it happen all the time, would've been nice if they just let it go. Oh well.
Christian Gray. But then he got the one that mattered. I will say our defense is special, and our DBs. Brings out the worst in someone like Drew Allar.
I think the first call was legit…probably why I didn’t remember it. The second call was weak I think and 44 initiated contact. That was the refs thinking “oh he’s not looking at the ball…let’s flag him (not saying it was nefarious).
I dont disagree, but it's just so hard to be a DB in football these days. How can you consistently be running full speed, looking and turning, and ONLY play the ball with little to no contact on the receiver?
Right. It’s difficult and why that thread was kind of silly about pass interference because the defender didn’t look for the ball (after Georgia).
I’ll have to review what happened on the Shuler play to see why it happened, but I really think 44 initiated the contact and the ref just assumed because Shuler wasn’t turned around. Tough break.
So happy ND won so we don’t have to always be mad at that.
Well 44 is kind of stopped as he jumps for the ball. Shuler has no idea where the ball is, already putting him in a tough spot and was running towards 44, so technically I'd say Shuler initiated contact, but it was clear he was trying so hard not to commit a penalty. Just a tough position to be in.
I watched it multiple times after it occurred. 44 swings his arm around and contacts Shuler. It was such light contact anyway. I’m a few sheets to the wind though so perhaps I’m mistaken.
You're not mistaken, but in a referee's observation is 44 interfering with Shuler's ability to catch the ball? No, 44 js playing for the ball. That's why 44 doesn't get PI and Shuler is seen as initiating contact and gets PI. That's my understanding anyway.
I’m not saying that 44 should have gotten PI just so we’re on the same page. Agree that Shuler is seen as “initiating” contact but I don’t think he really did. 44 initiated contact but not in an interference type of way if that makes sense.
It should have been a no call and a pick for Kiser. It looked like the ref was marking ND for the ball on the 1 when it should have been a touchback IMO. I’m so glad ND won. Man it would have sucked for that to cost ND.
I didn't realize this till watching sportscenter just now. Allar did not complete a single pass to a wide receiver. Wow that is bad.
The guy had a very good season and is a very good QB. The ND defense stopped him and made him look bad. The kid is good.
He was the third best QB to play yesterday. Riley and Angeli were both better than him.
I didn’t watch any of his games but he missed some very easy throws yesterday and didn’t complete one reception to a WR. Penn State settled for a field goal instead of TD because he couldn’t throw a 5 yard pass to the RB. He had multiple interceptions on passes longer than 10 yards. He’s a big kid who is hard to tackle but his passing accuracy was not good yesterday. 44 made him look good.
Stockton from GA was more dangerous and accurate than Drew. The USC QB played much better against ND as well…
Allar just wasn't very good last night. The first pick called back was probably legit, but seemed ticky tack; the second was a bad call IMO, for reasons others have expressed here. Luckily there was nothing for the refs to gift PSU on the third.
Some QBs play scared when the game is on the line. That is how Allar played. Others step up their game. That is how Riley Leonard played. And that was all the difference.
Some QBs play scared when the game is on the line. That is how Allar played. Others step up their game. That is how Riley Leonard played. And that was all the difference.
Just as I stated before the game, Allar is a good QB no matter what he looks like vs ND. I still stand by the statement he is the best ND has faced. This is the worst game he played all season. Similar to what ND did to Rourke at Indiana.
3 picks. 2 called back one legit call but ball was terrible throw in corner
The second pick was not interference on shuler. Every analyst says terrible call. No touching. Ball under thrown
So basically your boy Allar threw 3 picks. Yeah he’s good like cancer
Howard isn't much better or better at all actually. Allar is better than him.
Howard just has way better WRs to throw to
What are you talking about, we already won the game. I think you're a day late and a dollar short on this one. Definitely a day late.
You clearly haven't watched enough of either QB if you're making that kind of statement. Drew Allar has been awful every season at Penn State and he struggles to see the field, it's not a receiver issue he just isn't a good QB and hasn't developed. It's not like he's been playing great then ran into a buzzsaw. He was incredibly mid against SMU and Boise too.
If he is that bad, why would have him throw such a risky pass with the game tied? Seems like that one is on Franklin.
Yeah okay. Drew Allar has 49 tds and 10 ints the last 2 seasons. I know just awful right LOL.
Will Howard had 24 tds and 10 ints last year at Kansas state. In 4 years at KSU he had 49 tds and 24 ints
Yeah....the talent at Ohio State doesn't have any effect 🤣🤣🤣
Even at Ohio state with all that talent he has 33 tds and 10 ints. Eh, good. Not great. Esp with all that talent
Howard is an average QB
You had to go back to the previous season to try and make a point? Come on now you're just being naive. Will Howard is having a better season than Drew Allar is and he certainly had a better 3 game stretch in the playoffs than Allar did, who played awful. Allar puts up stats against awful opponents and plays badly against any defense with a pulse. I know what you're trying to do though, you're trying to convince yourself that Allar (who is nowhere near NFL ready) is a fantastic QB and ND shut him down and now they get to face a worse QB but nobody is buying that narrative. Seriously go watch Drew Allar play a game this year against SMU or Boise or OSU or Illinois or whatever solid team he faced this year and you'll find many games where the dude can't throw more than like 150 yards.
Because Franklin has always been a terrible big game coach, his record speaks for itself. Anytime Allar plays a defense inside the top 30, he folds. The crazy thing is they have WR talent, the cupboard isn't bare there. They have a former 5* WR transfer from OSU starting. Allar just isn't good, doesn't throw a good ball, can't read routes, doesn't throw with anticipation. Allar was a stud QB prospect former top 100 guy but he's been coached into the dirt over there.
Yeah you said Allar has been awful every season. So you went back years. And I did as well. Howard is an average QB with great talent around him.
If Allar had the team around him that Howard does, he certainly would put up way better numbers.
I didn't say Allar was fantastic, I just said he's better than Howard, he is.
Based on what I have watched this season and the last 3 games, I would.
You act as if Penn State has little talent on offense. The cupboard is far from bare for Penn State on offense.
Of course lol
The 3 wrs at Ohio State will all be drafted in the first 2 rounds. The 3 wrs that psu has, maybe 1 gets drafted late
You act like the wr rooms are even close to comparable, they are not
Will Howard is the better athlete, and a comparable passer of the football.
I would take Will Howard over Drew Allar.
Drew allar is a much better thrower of the football. Way stronger arm etc.
Better athlete? Not by much
Where is the bad talent?
44 will be a top draft pick
QB will get drafted 1-2 round
Where is the bad talent?
As I stated before the game, if the QB has a bad game it will not be because he is a bad QB. It will be because of the ND defense.
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