Proud of the players for overcoming advsersity and bad coaching

[Pazuzu]

Great comeback. The players never gave up. Yes, there were mistakes galore that the players were accountable for but they never gave up. They could have gotten down with dropped passes and fumbles and given up in a monsoon but they kept on fighting. They could have given up when Kelly gave away the first 3 quarters by continuously running on first down against an 8 man front but they kept on fighting. They could have given up when Kelly went for an unnecessary 2-point conversion and failed but they kept on fighting. Maybe they would have given up after the easily defended 2-point conversion try at the end of the game but there was nothing left to fight for at that point.

At the end of the day, the players have to perform but for some reason they did not seemed prepared. Is that all on the players? Maybe. I always thought that it was up to the coach to prepare the players. Obviously, many posters don't agree. Anyway, time to move on and hope that the "Once a year blown game by Kelly" is behind them. Play solid football and prepare for the Champ Sports Bowl. At least the schedule has exposed Kelly and crew early on in the season instead of getting our hopes up once again only to shit the bed later on in the season. Fight on Kelly...your annual reservation at the Champs Sports Bowl is still valid. And After the season, when Jaylon, Stanley, Day, etc leave, all of your 3-star recruits can come aboard and maintain your annual 8-5 record. The future appears steady.

 

[BigFellaFan]

^^^^^. Yes, you are an idiot!!!!

 

[NDinHouston]

STOP WITH THE BAD COACHING SHIT!!! The players LOST THIS GAME! Damn there are some idiotic people that post on this board.

 

[perseverare]

well, the coaching was questionable at best; you're free to continue your stoic mindset

 

[hvillebill]

It's the coaches that kept the players playing hard and fighting to the end. But, that doesn't fit your agenda.

 

[perseverare]

when the players are good - coaches get the credit; the players lose and it is all on them.

geez; your regressing into your Weis persona!

 

[Get Nasty]

well, the coaching was questionable at best; you're free to continue your stoic mindset

I think the initial game plan on both sides was terrible for the WEATHER, but I thought both coaches made great adjustments and gave the team every opportunity to still win despite the start.

 

[perseverare]

4th QTR? huh? Good thing the staff can make change of a dollar!

 

[Blue N Gold 64]

Sure is easy to say it's all bad coaching after the game!!! I don't know why people are on this board and complaining when they should be at some Division 1 college coaching seeing how they have all the answers!! And just who would you get to replace Kelly? Maybe you should have a replacement before you can the guy!

 

[NDinHouston]

I know a lot here have been here for a while however they don't know jackshit about football. Armchair QB'S at best here and finger pointing without having a CLUE. It's unbelievable all the coaches on this board that know better than Kelly. BWAHAHA

 

[Pazuzu]

If this was the first time Kelly has had his team completely unprepared this would be a minor blip. But there have been many, many games that we either lose to inferior opponents, play down to the level of bad teams or get completely humiliated by good teams.

If this was the first time Kelly came out with an awful game play and continued to stick with it when it was clear to everyone (fans, opponents, TV announcers, etc) he had to make adjustment then it would be minor blip.

If it was the first time Kelly's bad decisions contributed to the loss, it would be a minor blip.

history has clearly proven that Kelly's record at ND is unacceptable. He had one great season against inferior opponents and very lucky bounces. When he got the team to the NC game (where we clearly did not belong), we got humiliated. The team was unprepared because Kelly was interviewing with the Eagles.

Aside from 2012, Kelly averages 4-5 losses a year with at least 1 loss per season that he is single-handedly responsible for. How long can everyone keep there heads in the sand just because we had a few very bad coaches precede him? "You are what you record is" - Bill Parcells. Not only is his record bad, his preparation is bad. His play calling is bad. His decision making is bad. And now, his recruiting is bad.

I am just sick of it.

 

[Blue N Gold 64]

NDinHouston, I completely agree

 

[perseverare]

Sure is easy to say it's all bad coaching after the game!!! I don't know why people are on this board and complaining when they should be at some Division 1 college coaching seeing how they have all the answers!! And just who would you get to replace Kelly? Maybe you should have a replacement before you can the guy!

look .... there were frequent threads since spring asking, 'which game or games' Kelly would go 'Tulsa' in!
There is one or more every year. This was 1 for 2015. He is the head coach and the buck stops with him!

And isn't teaching execution and discipline still part of coaching goals! Did that change?

Later today his mouth-piece will be dispatched to convince the board that this is all a media lie and ND actually won in a blowout - the NC train is still on track! AND many here will actually buy in!
That part Houston got right!

 

[Pazuzu]

I know a lot here have been here for a while however they don't know jackshit about football. Armchair QB'S at best here and finger pointing without having a CLUE. It's unbelievable all the coaches on this board that know better than Kelly. BWAHAHA

Well, history clearly shows he is not getting it done. Is history something that does not exist in your mind? If it does, why do you insist he is so great. I woulld suggest you know nothing about football based on HISTORY.

 

[Blue N Gold 64]

It's easy to complain about play calling or game plan AFTER THE GAME

 

[perseverare]

It's easy to complain about play calling or game plan AFTER THE GAME

reading the forums; the issue was voiced while in the 1st Qtr. This is not a hindsight.

But, It really does not matter, the questionable decisions will continue, the explanations will continue and nothing changes.

 

[Pazuzu]

It's easy to complain about play calling or game plan AFTER THE GAME

You have mentioned this twice. I think you will find that many fans were probably complaining during the game when we kept on running into an 8-man front for 3 quarters and went for a 2-point conversion when it was clearly unnecessary and contributed to the loss. It is hard enough to win on the road against a top team. The last thing the players need is a coach who lets them down with poor decision making. Northwestern all over again...and Tulsu and USF and Navy, etc

 

[Pazuzu]

You guys can spin it anyway you want. Kelly and his coaching staff were clearly outcoached.

 

[mmboys07]

It's easy to complain about play calling or game plan AFTER THE GAME

Uh, no. Is there anyone who thought going for two early on was a smart move??? I don't think so. It was totally unnecessary. Of course, the players are responsible for execution errors, fumbles and so on. However, the coaches must not make those situations worse with clearly stupid calls. And, it can't be denied ND makes a lot of unforced errors, which in any sport is a sign of poor mental preparation, and dedication to detail.

 

[Pazuzu]

And there are articles all over the internet blaming Kelly for the loss.

 

[NDinHouston]

I can't believe I keep posting to some people here that don't get the game of football. The mistakes the players made are ON THEM. They made enough mistakes to cost ND the game last night. Sure coach Kelly made some bad calls throughout the game. The players however made more mistakes that cost the team a W. One thing I would like to see Kelly do more of is get the RB's involved in the passing game more. Last night when the RB's were used in the passing game it was money.

 

[Get Nasty]

4th QTR? huh? Good thing the staff can make change of a dollar!

ND had every opportunity in the 2-4th quarters with the way the game was called buy kelly and BVG (coaches laid an egg in the first quarter). Dropped TD in the 2nd quarter, and the Defense was stout, ND offense went up and down the field the entire second half. The defense played solid in the 2nd half, not great, but solid.

 

[Pazuzu]

I can't believe I keep posting to some people here that don't get the game of football. The mistakes the players made are ON THEM. They made enough mistakes to cost ND the game last night. Sure coach Kelly made some bad calls throughout the game. The players however made more mistakes that cost the team a W. One thing I would like to see Kelly do more of is get the RB's involved in the passing game more. Last night when the RB's were used in the passing game it was money.

So why so many turnovers? Clemson did not have any. Is it about preparation? I agree with you about the RB's more involved in the passing game and it did work. Why did we not do more of that. I guess you would have to ask Kelly.

 

[hvillebill]

You guys can spin it anyway you want. Kelly and his coaching staff were clearly outcoached.

Clearly outcoached? In what way? Did Clemson dominate the entire game? Did they have a better scheme?

You said there are articles all over the Internet blaming Kelly for the loss. He is being questioned about the call on the two point conversion. Had that worked we wouldn't be having this conversation. If it was a bad call it's easy to say that after it doesn't work.

Stats don't win ballgames, but look at the numbers. ND had way more yards. It came down to turnovers and that's not being outcoached. I would say the ND coaches made good adjustments and brought the team back accordingly.

 

[NDinHouston]

When was Kelly involved here?

Lets start with the Robinson dropped two point conversion. The ball was left high for Robinson and his huge catch radius where only he could catch it. Secondly, Robinson dropped a TD which would have been huge to have reeled in. Thirdly, the fumble by Sanders on the kickoff return to open the second half that lead to a Clemson TD. Then CJ Pro. coughs up a fumble on another drive killer. The fifth player disaster was the Brown fumble inside the 5 yard line. The sixth issue and major issue all night was the dropped balls by the wideouts all game. For example, fuller wide open drops a pass on 3rd and 12 which would have been a 22 yard gain with a possible run after catch. The Clemson D was nowhere near the play. Chew on all those mistakes Kelly haters and tell me how Kelly lost this game?

 

[perseverare]

why? why each season these discussions repeat!

"Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines havetender grapes..."

 

[Pazuzu]

Clearly outcoached? In what way? Did Clemson dominate the entire game? Did they have a better scheme?

You said there are articles all over the Internet blaming Kelly for the loss. He is being questioned about the call on the two point conversion. Had that worked we wouldn't be having this conversation. If it was a bad call it's easy to say that after it doesn't work.

Stats don't win ballgames, but look at the numbers. ND had way more yards. It came down to turnovers and that's not being outcoached. I would say the ND coaches made good adjustments and brought the team back accordingly.

Clemson had a very simple game plan that worked for 3 quarters. Stack the box, stop the running game and have Alexander neutralize Fuller. They also had no turnovers which shows they were better prepared. Kelly played right into the game plan of Clemson for 3 quarters. That is being outcoached. We had more yards because Clemson lost Alexander to injury and Clemson started to play a more prevent defense. Kelly finally went to the passing game in the 4th quarter which accounted for the comeback and the yardage...just way too late. If Kelly did not "out-patience" himself, we would never had been in that hole to begin with. How many games have we seen Kelly abandon the run when it was being very productive and start tossing the ball all over the field. Why did he choose this game to run endlessly into an 8 man front for 3 quarters. I don't get it.

 

[NDinHouston]

Why the turnovers Paz? I'll tell you, it's because the PLAYERS didn't protect the football at all. I can assure you the players everyday at practice have to run through strip drills to practice ball security. The players didn't protect the ball when the Clemson D was coming into make the hit. Ball security is critical in the conditions we saw last night. Again I bet many here never played football or in conditions like that. We would run through drills at practice and come out with bruises on your wrists and forearms from strip drills in practice. When the defender is coming in for the tackle you must coverup with both arms and hands to protect the football.

 

[NDinHouston]

Paz, Clemson threw a INT. It is clearly you didn't watch the game. Also they fumbled a punt that they jumped on. The breaks beat the boys last night and sometimes that happens. Again it's clear you never played the game in your life.

 

[ivan brunetti]

It was a nice comeback, but anyone who has ever played or coached would tell you football is a TEAM game. The coaches are just as responsible for the comeback (as well as the need to comeback) as the players.

Go Blue

 

[Pazuzu]

When was Kelly involved here?

Lets start with the Robinson dropped two point conversion. The ball was left high for Robinson and his huge catch radius where only he could catch it. Secondly, Robinson dropped a TD which would have been huge to have reeled in. Thirdly, the fumble by Sanders on the kickoff return to open the second half that lead to a Clemson TD. Then CJ Pro. coughs up a fumble on another drive killer. The fifth player disaster was the Brown fumble inside the 5 yard line. The sixth issue and major issue all night was the dropped balls by the wideouts all game. For example, fuller wide open drops a pass on 3rd and 12 which would have been a 22 yard gain with a possible run after catch. The Clemson D was nowhere near the play. Chew on all those mistakes Kelly haters and tell me how Kelly lost this game?

Kelly did not have them prepared. Clemson did not make those mistakes. And why do you call a 2-pt play to Robinson when he dropped and has dropped everything thrown his way all season including last night. He also ran the wrong fade route last week leading to an interception. I would have rather seen Kelly go to his illegal pass play which cost us the game against FSU last season. Again, why are we always having these discussions about Kelly. Do you think Kelly has wronged all of us who are tired of this crap personally. No, it is because Kelly has provided us with the same results over 6 seasons. Enough is enough.

 

[Pazuzu]

Paz, Clemson threw a INT. It is clearly you didn't watch the game. Also they fumbled a punt that they jumped on. The breaks beat the boys last night and sometimes that happens. Again it's clear you never played the game in your life.

I find it laughable when posters like you defend their position by claiming a poster you disagree with has never played the game. Like that makes you right in your argument. Vince Lombardi said you make your own breaks. Do you know more than VL?

 

[Pazuzu]

Paz, Clemson threw a INT. It is clearly you didn't watch the game. Also they fumbled a punt that they jumped on. The breaks beat the boys last night and sometimes that happens. Again it's clear you never played the game in your life.

So was Kelly right for running the ball into an 8-man front for 3 quarters?

 

[Telx1]

Perse is his usual negative anti Kelly self after a really exciting game. The FOUR turnovers are the reason we lost this game. Amazing that we were in a position to tie with all the turnovers and dropped passes. Clemson handled the weather conditions better than we did. Kizer played well, but easily could have had two more interceptions. All those mistakes and we were in position to tie. Hated to lose, but exciting as hell. Kelly and staff made the adjustments at half and no reason to trash him and his coaches.

 

[perseverare]

Telx: why don't you talk football ! your about as knowledgeable about that as a 'rag'!

your here shilling for mediocrity like it is your goal! maybe you are closet Michigan fan!

Same rhetoric and lame excuses from the same posters; posing as ND fans. But they really are just fans of Kelly. He goes - you go.

 

[Telx1]

Peres, Four fumbles, multiple dropped passes, two near Kizer interceptions....is talking football. Your old mantra about accepting mediocrity and your anti Kelly bias after any loss gives new meaning to redundancy.

 

[perseverare]

Peres, Four fumbles, multiple dropped passes, two near Kizer interceptions....is talking football. Your old mantra about accepting mediocrity and your anti Kelly bias after any loss gives new meaning to redundancy.

actually your pist is you repeating the same lame expkanations - season after season; you post as if the staff has no responsibilities to coach!
throw the kids under the bus! that's your style! tells me you are not ND fan but just here for Kelly!

Remember the posts saying Kelly would cost a game as been done about every season? This was one!
Kizer had a far far better game than Kelly!

 

[sullytipp]

4th QTR? huh? Good thing the staff can make change of a dollar!

If you think Kelly is that bad,and the programs is going nowhere,why don't you just root for someone you like,and leave us all in peace????? The door swings both ways!

 

[sharkfan83]

When I see Kelly out on the field dropping TD passes & big first down passes and fumbling the ball on 2nd half kickoffs and on the 1 yard line......then I may start to blame him for this loss. However, by the looks of some of the chances ND had I think he and the coaching staff were calling the right plays. I have mixed feelings about the 2 pt conversion and trying to run the ball against an 8 man box on most of the first downs......but even with doing that and having 4 turnovers that led some Clemson points, he still coached them into having a chance to win. Even as putrid as ND played as an overall.......they still had a legitimate shot at winning the game with only playing 1 solid quarter of football. I find that pretty amazing in itself.

I'm interested in seeing where the boys go from here if they don't get down on themselves. It's at this point where the true teams/players get stronger and make runs toward a national championship/playoff run. I'm not saying that they will win it by any means.....still alot of good teams out there. But I do believe if they play a solid game and don't lose the turnover battle they could play with about anyone in the country. I'm still glass half full at this point.....even though I'm butt hurt

 

[NDinHouston]

Tex1 keep posting, I like your insights and thoughts. I'm no expert but I did play football and my father-in-law is a college football coach here in Texas. I feel that I have a good grasp of the game and I talk with him a lot about football and he has coached for 35+ years. For MOST of the posters here they don't have a clue about the game they just watch and when plays fail it's Kelly fault. This is a total TEAM game and the blame is on ALL but the players played horrible in every quarter. Yes they came back but had critical mistakes in every quarter.