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Polls are a joke

Aug 7, 2006
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Miami at no 10. Best win over duke who lost to Virginia this week. Lucky victory over a bad FSU team. Espn headline read Clemson and Bama took care of business only winning by 14 and 8. If ND was no 1 and only won by 8 espn would say we don't deserve it. Alabama only has 1 ranked team on their entire schedule. It's weak.
 
Yeah, we can play the crazy rankings game every week. It's frustrating.

Sparty beats UM and has same record, but UM ranked higher.
Stan has 2 losses, but is ranked.
Etc, etc...
 
Miami at no 10. Best win over duke who lost to Virginia this week. Lucky victory over a bad FSU team. Espn headline read Clemson and Bama took care of business only winning by 14 and 8. If ND was no 1 and only won by 8 espn would say we don't deserve it. Alabama only has 1 ranked team on their entire schedule. It's weak.

I don't know why people get that upset about rankings. If we win, we'll move up.

Alabama and Clemson, generally, have been beating the hell out of people. They were in the national championship last year. They deserve to be where they are at.
 
Miami at no 10. Best win over duke who lost to Virginia this week. Lucky victory over a bad FSU team. Espn headline read Clemson and Bama took care of business only winning by 14 and 8. If ND was no 1 and only won by 8 espn would say we don't deserve it. Alabama only has 1 ranked team on their entire schedule. It's weak.
Come on...

It's all about reputation. Do you not remember a time when we were the bar in college football? From 88-93 we set the bar. And when we got upset here or there we weren't punished that badly.

Bama and Clemson have earned their rep. OSU as well. Urban moreso than OSU and really the reason why OSU always gets a pass. Urban.

If we take care of business it will take care of itself.

We win out is all we can do. The rest is in the football god's hands.
 
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IF ND goes 11-1 no one keep her out of the final 4.. (ND will drop at least 1-2 more games however)
Rest of the polls are pointless.. If you are not in final 4 what difference does it make weather you are ranked #14 or # 16?
 
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I agree, the polls are a joke and when the playoff selection committee unveils their first official rankings they will show how silly some of the AP rankings are, and you'll hear a lot of talking heads in the sports media say, "wow, the playoff committee sees things a lot differently than the AP voters," and they will pretend they really aren't sure why there's a difference, but everyone should know why by now:

The playoff committee ranks teams the right way, the AP doesn't.

The playoff committee rules mandate that they come up with each week's rankings from scratch. In other words, regardless of how they ranked each team the week before they throw those rankings out the window and rank each team on their body of work up to the current week. In contrast, most AP voters rank teams based on how they had them ranked the week before. That's a stupid way to rank teams but it's how it's always been done so they keep doing it. So, those AP voters who had LSU in their top 25 at the beginning of the year kept them in the top 25 even after they got blown out by Miss St., and because Miss St. blew out LSU, those same voters said, "wow, look at what Miss St. did to a ranked LSU," so they gave Miss St. a big bump in the polls. Fast forward a few weeks later and it's obvious neither team ever belonged in the top 25 but most of those voters still can't get over that fact. And, of course, it doesn't stop there. Since the AP had UM ranked 7 last week they kept them ahead of MSU even though both teams only have 1 loss and MSU just beat them at UM. Why? Because they wrongly think, "if I had UM ranked 7 last week how can I justify having them tumble too far? And if I didn't have MSU ranked how can I justify having them make a big leap into the top 25?" The playoff committee doesn't do it this way. They look at each teams record, their best win, whether or not they met head to head, and a few other data points to determine how each team should be ranked that week. As the data changes week to week, their rankings change. If the data changes significantly so will their rankings. Most AP voters can't bring themselves to do that even though it makes the most sense. Does anyone believe that if there had been no rankings before this week and this was the first week AP voters ranked teams that they'd have Penn St. ahead of Georgia? Who has PSU beaten? And there is no way they'd have UM ahead of MSU. What's UM's best win? Florida? How does that win look now? And wasn't UF down 10 players in that game anyway?

I haven't always agreed with playoff committee's rankings but I do agree with their overall methodology for assigning rankings and they always do better than the AP. The good news is the AP rankings really don't matter. The playoff committee's rankings will be the only rankings that matter and as long as we keep taking care of business I have confidence they will rank us right where we should be.
 
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I hate to point this out but since 1994 ND hasn't exactly ran roughshod over college football. Our last big chance was against Alabama and it didn't go so well. I think ND is getting better with each passing week. The lads on defense are getting better and the offense is too. ND fans have a lot to look forward too over the next two years and more. My expectation is that this year defines the ND way for years to come. It has a comfortable look to it. The only poll that concerns me is the Championship Poll. One step at a time through the bowl game.
 
I hate to point this out but since 1994 ND hasn't exactly ran roughshod over college football. Our last big chance was against Alabama and it didn't go so well. I think ND is getting better with each passing week. The lads on defense are getting better and the offense is too. ND fans have a lot to look forward too over the next two years and more. My expectation is that this year defines the ND way for years to come. It has a comfortable look to it. The only poll that concerns me is the Championship Poll. One step at a time through the bowl game.

The Irish will hold up the Championship trophy this year and say "This is for Ara !".
 
Bama and Clemson have pretty much earned the benefit of doubt. That's what happens when you always win, even close wins against bad teams.
 
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Bama and Clemson have pretty much earned the benefit of doubt. That's what happens when you always win, even close wins against bad teams.
Yes they do. Pollsters are human. Even the most subjective can't forget that those two teams have been in the NC game the last two years after getting through any other contender from other conferences in the playoffs. Not perfect, but it's what we've got to work with for now until they change the rules.
 
Eh. Not a huge deal. Just keep winning and things pan out. I think people are hesitant to jump on the ND bandwagon
 
Come on...

It's all about reputation. Do you not remember a time when we were the bar in college football? From 88-93 we set the bar. And when we got upset here or there we weren't punished that badly.

Bama and Clemson have earned their rep. OSU as well. Urban moreso than OSU and really the reason why OSU always gets a pass. Urban.

If we take care of business it will take care of itself.

We win out is all we can do. The rest is in the football god's hands.
I do remember and we have the backend of our schedule to go out and earn that respect. I calmed down lol. We will be fine. A lot of big games to shine in on the horizon.
 
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