Pandora's box would be easier than this mess...

[88ND]

They wanted it....they got it.

This is such a joke.....

Longtime college basketball coach steps down mid-season: 'It's become professional.'

Longtime college basketball coach Jim Larranaga stepped down as Miami's head coach Thursday, effective immediately, citing the rapidly changing nature of the game as the reason why

footballscoop.com

 

[Chitown11]

turning into a shit show

 

[raulduke_007]

Just curious how you guys felt when Laranaga still had years left on his contract at George Mason but he had his agent go the AD & President and say hey coach loves it here but Miami just offered so much more. Tell the kids I recruited good luck. Was it too professional then? F this guy and his hypocritical high horse. He was old and wanted out. He used this an excuse.

 

[sjb75]

Tony Bennett IMO left Virginia for the same reason.

 

[NIN Irish]

turning into a shit show

Unfortunately, well past "turning" into a shit show. The first year of NIL was turning. Now it's fully fledged shit show, but yeah it will still get worse.
Speaking of shit shows, the immediate transfer portal is another fully fledged one.

 

[NDblitz]

Just curious how you guys felt when Laranaga still had years left on his contract at George Mason but he had his agent go the AD & President and say hey coach loves it here but Miami just offered so much more. Tell the kids I recruited good luck. Was it too professional then? F this guy and his hypocritical high horse. He was old and wanted out. He used this an excuse.

Well.. while you are right, You cant deny the current situation game him an easy excuse.

 

[CFFan1971]

The comparing what players are doing to coaches is a flawed argument. Coaches and even actual professional players are on multi-year contracts with buy outs. These kids are spoiled brats that just want more allowance money.

Put all of them on contracts. Allow them to unionize and collectively bargain. That'll put an end to the ridiculousness and install some actual professionalism.

 

[echowaker]

Spoiled brats ? Are they not entitled to what the market will bear just like you and I ? It's not their fault the NCAA bungled this entire situation for years. Their malfeasance is to blame for the current landscape of college athletics not the athletes.

 

[sjb75]

The comparing what players are doing to coaches is a flawed argument. Coaches and even actual professional players are on multi-year contracts with buy outs. These kids are spoiled brats that just want more allowance money.

Put all of them on contracts. Allow them to unionize and collectively bargain. That'll put an end to the ridiculousness and install some actual professionalism.

If the NCAA wanted to simply reward anyone in my family with a fully paid athletic scholarship including room and board for 4-5 years, and zero college debt when you are finished, I would ask where do we sign up.

 

[echowaker]

If the NCAA wanted to simply reward anyone in my family with a fully paid athletic scholarship including room and board for 4-5 years, and zero college debt when you are finished, I would ask where do we sign up.

That has nothing to do with the issue at hand. The whole thing began when scholarship athletes wanted to have the same opportunities as any other student on full scholarship who could benefit from their name, image, likeness and skills. A girl I knew at MSU was on a music scholarship. She posed for the " Girls of the Big Ten " issue of Playboy magazine and was paid pretty well for it. An athlete back then would have not been permitted to benefit from a similar arrangement. That's just one of many examples. The toothpaste is out of the tube. Collective bargaining is the only rational solution.

 

[88ND]

That has nothing to do with the issue at hand. The whole thing began when scholarship athletes wanted to have the same opportunities as any other student on full scholarship who could benefit from their name, image, likeness and skills. A girl I knew at MSU was on a music scholarship. She posed for the " Girls of the Big Ten " issue of Playboy magazine and was paid pretty well for it. An athlete back then would have not been permitted to benefit from a similar arrangement. That's just one of many examples. The toothpaste is out of the tube. Collective bargaining is the only rational solution.

Yeah...that a boy....
Blow the dust off your little example from 40 years ago and apply it today.

That's not even an apples to oranges comparison but more like apples to mushrooms.

Do you know why, back in the day, the scholarship athlete was not allowed to "work/earn" extra money? It wasn't an easy decision to deny the athlete and they weren't sitting around having a fiesta over their stance.
A couple reasons with both being equally important.
You ready for it?

C O R R U P T I O N

And

The Olympics

The Olympics didn't allow professionals to compete until in and around 1988 and left it up to the individual sport to determine ultimate participation.
Notice boxing wasn't allowed professional participants until 2016.

It was a struggle for many athletes to find the resources to train to compete in the Olymics. Other countries got behind their hopeful(s) where college was a huge opportunity for our hopeful Olympic athletes.

Corruption.
Organized crime had massive influence on many things sport related. It was a necessary rule then. If it helped even in the slightest to keep the athlete safe from himself and a barrier between the athlete, the sport, the school and the mob so be it.
It wasn't failsafe for sure but it helped.

Corruption part II

The girl you only knew in your dreams wasn't a Sparty because playboy imposed it's will on her to attend East Lansing.
I'm sorry but attention and lore of a football game and basketball season/tourney is light years different than your dream girl catching on with the local Symphony Orchestra.

REMEMBER . . .
This was about the student athlete choosing the school based on studies not the car dealer @ last chance motors who will pay you to greet customers near East Lansing.

You make a mockery of the NCAA but they knew how big football and basketball were and the chaos that would ensue. Legal and illegal influence would run rampant.....Just as it's happening now.

 

[sjb75]

Yeah...that a boy....
Blow the dust off your little example from 40 years ago and apply it today.

That's not even an apples to oranges comparison but more like apples to mushrooms.

Do you know why, back in the day, the scholarship athlete was not allowed to "work/earn" extra money? It wasn't an easy decision to deny the athlete and they weren't sitting around having a fiesta over their stance.
A couple reasons with both being equally important.
You ready for it?

C O R R U P T I O N

Impressed with himself.

 

[tkirish]

Easy fix. Sign contracts that must be kept. If everyone wants to be paid accordingly , then each player should sign a contract and have to stand by the deal. You don’t like the deal ? Don’t sign. It’s that simple.

 

[sjb75]

Easy fix. Sign contracts that must be kept. If everyone wants to be paid accordingly , then each player should sign a contract and have to stand by the deal. You don’t like the deal ? Don’t sign. It’s that simple.

Now, back to reality.

 

[tkirish]

Now, back to reality.

They want to be paid ? I have no issues with that. Sign a contract and stand by it.

 

[88ND]

Easy fix. Sign contracts that must be kept. If everyone wants to be paid accordingly , then each player should sign a contract and have to stand by the deal. You don’t like the deal ? Don’t sign. It’s that simple.

You mean like a scholarship?



Sorry, couldn't resist.


Sadly today...with the star trek portal and nothing more than a pay to play environment......


It's just not as simple as you state.

 

[tkirish]

You mean like a scholarship?



Sorry, couldn't resist.


Sadly today...with the star trek portal and nothing more than a pay to play environment......


It's just not as simple as you state.

You mean like a scholarship?



Sorry, couldn't resist.


Sadly today...with the star trek portal and nothing more than a pay to play environment......


It's just not as simple as you state.

Probably not that simple. However , they want a pay day and feel they are entitled to make as much as they can. Ok. That’s fine. But you sign an agreement and whatever is in it you as a player have to adhere to it. No exceptions. Scholarships mean nothing. They aren’t a binding agreement. It just seems to me the players want whatever they can get with no restrictions. Professional players don’t even get that.

 

[tbonesays]

That has nothing to do with the issue at hand. The whole thing began when scholarship athletes wanted to have the same opportunities as any other student on full scholarship who could benefit from their name, image, likeness and skills. A girl I knew at MSU was on a music scholarship. She posed for the " Girls of the Big Ten " issue of Playboy magazine and was paid pretty well for it. An athlete back then would have not been permitted to benefit from a similar arrangement. That's just one of many examples. The toothpaste is out of the tube. Collective bargaining is the only rational solution.

Sorry but this is nothing like "opportunities available to other students.". The players' earnings value is 100% derived from their football play and not available to any other student.

 

[deadirishpoet]

They wanted it....they got it.

This is such a joke.....

Longtime college basketball coach steps down mid-season: 'It's become professional.'

Longtime college basketball coach Jim Larranaga stepped down as Miami's head coach Thursday, effective immediately, citing the rapidly changing nature of the game as the reason why

footballscoop.com

This is the Supreme Courts mess

 

[deadirishpoet]

Sorry but this is nothing like "opportunities available to other students.". The players' earnings value is 100% derived from their football play and not available to any other student.

Some players are making hand over fist through the productions of other player
Case in point a great o-line makes the offensive ball handlers millions while receiving nowhere near that amount, and they don't even have to attend classes

 

[deadirishpoet]

Probably not that simple. However , they want a pay day and feel they are entitled to make as much as they can. Ok. That’s fine. But you sign an agreement and whatever is in it you as a player have to adhere to it. No exceptions. Scholarships mean nothing. They aren’t a binding agreement. It just seems to me the players want whatever they can get with no restrictions. Professional players don’t even get that.

They?
It's a team sport and the few make the money

 

[NDinNJ]

Spoiled brats ? Are they not entitled to what the market will bear just like you and I ? It's not their fault the NCAA bungled this entire situation for years. Their malfeasance is to blame for the current landscape of college athletics not the athletes.

There needs to be structure. Currently there are no contracts, and they can hit the portal every year if they want. College athletics needs contracts which would limit transfers.

 

[savvyandsassier]

Some players are making hand over fist through the productions of other player
Case in point a great o-line makes the offensive ball handlers millions while receiving nowhere bere that amount, and they don't even have to attend classes

Do you hear wtf you're saying? You're actually making a claim on a given player's NIL money, and because football is a team sport, every individual player owes some of their success to his teammates. And presumably, by this truly perverse reasoning, he should be bound to share some of that money with them? With the OL, and the OL should all get their cut?

Good effin' god.....

 

[tkirish]

They?
It's a team sport abd the few make the money

True. All I am saying is that if these kids coming out of high school want to be paid , and they do, that’s fine. Negotiate a contract with the school you want to go to. Then, stick to whatever deal is signed. These kids are literally jumping from school to school trying to make as much money as they can get. You can’t do that in the NFL.

Let’s say a player gets a 2 million dollar NIL deal to play for LSU. After one year , another team says we can get you 6 million if you come to our school. So the player leaves. I would too. But if you sign a contract stating we can get you ( insert amount) of money , but you must stay for 3 years. No one is forcing the player to sign. But if he does, he has to stand by the contract, no reneging. I think that’s fair. Each individual player can negotiate whatever they can get. Heck , get an agent so you have representation. Whatever the deals is with the school, then that’s the deal until the contract expires.

 

[deadirishpoet]

True. All I am saying is that if these kids coming out of high school want to be paid , and they do, that’s fine. Negotiate a contract with the school you want to go to. Then, stick to whatever deal is signed. These kids are literally jumping from school to school trying to make as much money as they can get. You can’t do that in the NFL.

Let’s say a player gets a 2 million dollar NIL deal to play for LSU. After one year , another team says we can get you 6 million if you come to our school. So the player leaves. I would too. But if you sign a contract stating we can get you ( insert amount) of money , but you must stay for 3 years. No one is forcing the player to sign. But if he does, he has to stand by the contract, no reneging. I think that’s fair. Each individual player can negotiate whatever they can get. Heck , get an agent so you have representation. Whatever the deals is with the school, then that’s the deal until the contract expires.

Who would of ever thought this is what college football would become, and the big winners are the blood sucking lawyers, the big losers are the fan base

 

[Patrish]

Tony Bennett IMO left Virginia for the same reason.

I thought he left his heart in San Francisco

 

[savvyandsassier]

True. All I am saying is that if these kids coming out of high school want to be paid , and they do, that’s fine. Negotiate a contract with the school you want to go to. Then, stick to whatever deal is signed. These kids are literally jumping from school to school trying to make as much money as they can get. You can’t do that in the NFL.

Let’s say a player gets a 2 million dollar NIL deal to play for LSU. After one year , another team says we can get you 6 million if you come to our school. So the player leaves. I would too. But if you sign a contract stating we can get you ( insert amount) of money , but you must stay for 3 years. No one is forcing the player to sign. But if he does, he has to stand by the contract, no reneging. I think that’s fair. Each individual player can negotiate whatever they can get. Heck , get an agent so you have representation. Whatever the deals is with the school, then that’s the deal until the contract expires.

So want the players to sign contracts that include terms that would induce them to or prohibit them from transferring so flippantly and frequently. Which is seemingly possible, if the players were willing to agree to that, that doesn't appear to be the industry standard. I think the arrangements are that you sign monthly contracts, and if the players do bolt, they can just not be renewed, and nobody loses any money. Rather than getting the whole million all at once or whatever, maybe they get a signing bonus. I think that's how they might do it in European soccer, they're always talking about their weekly wages. And they get a pay check essentially, instead of a guaranteed lump sum or something.

I mean it's just the free market, if the players don't want that, or they demand too much to agree to something that would restrict their freedom and penalize them financially for transferring, then contracts like that won't get off the ground.

 

[tkirish]

So want the players to sign contracts that include terms that would induce them to or prohibit them from transferring so flippantly and frequently. Which is seemingly possible, if the players were willing to agree to that, that doesn't appear to be the industry standard. I think the arrangements are that you sign monthly contracts, and if the players do bolt, they can just not be renewed, and nobody loses any money. Rather than getting the whole million all at once or whatever, maybe they get a signing bonus. I think that's how they might do it in European soccer, they're always talking about their weekly wages. And they get a pay check essentially, instead of a guaranteed lump sum or something.

I mean it's just the free market, if the players don't want that, or they demand too much to agree to something that would restrict their freedom and penalize them financially for transferring, then contracts like that won't get off the ground.

I’m not disagreeing with the logic in your statement. I’m all for the free market. But again, no professional athlete can go from team to team year after year. They negotiate and sign a contract. Coaches do the same. So why should college kids , who think they are entitled to be paid , be allowed to go from school to school without restrictions ? Think about applying the same set up to the NFL. Players should be able to go to any team they like or the highest bidder every year. No restrictions. Hey that’s the free market right ? Buffalo pays Allen 15 million for one year. But wait, the Raiders just said play for us and you’ll make 20 million. See where I am going with this ? I know it probably will never happen. But in theory it could. All NFL players have to do is stick together and only sign one year deals if they choose and each year go to the highest bidder.

In short. If college players believe they should be paid like professionals , then they should play by the same rules as professionals.

 

[savvyandsassier]

I’m not disagreeing with the logic in your statement. I’m all for the free market. But again, no professional athlete can go from team to team year after year. They negotiate and sign a contract. Coaches do the same. So why should college kids , who think they are entitled to be paid , be allowed to go from school to school without restrictions ? Think about applying the same set up to the NFL. Players should be able to go to any team they like or the highest bidder every year. No restrictions. Hey that’s the free market right ? Buffalo pays Allen 15 million for one year. But wait, the Raiders just said play for us and you’ll make 20 million. See where I am going with this ? I know it probably will never happen. But in theory it could. All NFL players have to do is stick together and only sign one year deals if they choose and each year go to the highest bidder.

I’m short. If college players believe they should be paid like professionals , then they should play by the same rules as professionals.

You say you get the logic, but you refuse to accept the reality. And we're just going to have to by fiat restrict those freedoms, as unpleasant as that may be, when the truth is there's no mechanism for that. The NCAA would definitely do that if they could but they can't, and the courts slap them down. This is not what the NCAA wants, but they have no choice. They have to collectively bargain with the players and they don't want to do that, and that's why it's a free for all.

 

[deadirishpoet]

You say you get the logic, but you refuse to accept the reality. And we're just going to have to by fiat restrict those freedoms, as unpleasant as that may be, when the truth is there's no mechanism for that. The NCAA would definitely do that if they could but they can't, and the courts slap them down. This is not what the NCAA wants, but they have no choice. They have to collectively bargain with the players and they don't want to do that, and that's why it's a free for all.

The reality is the inmates are running the asylum.
Collective bargaining will allow for strikes so why would they do that?

 

[deadirishpoet]

What's funny is its not their name image and likeness it's the universities.
The Supreme Court couldn't of screwed this up any worse then they did.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Do you hear wtf you're saying? You're actually making a claim on a given player's NIL money, and because football is a team sport, every individual player owes some of their success to his teammates. And presumably, by this truly perverse reasoning, he should be bound to share some of that money with them? With the OL, and the OL should all get their cut?

Good effin' god.....

Do you hear yourself?
What your saying is these high price ball handlers don't need a great offense line so
is the o-line getting g their cut?
Though it was a movie remember Willie Beanen and his invisible juice.
The O-line showed how false that was

 

[savvyandsassier]

Do you hear yourself?
What your saying is these high price ball handlers don't need a great offense line so
is the o-line getting g their cut?
Though it was a movie remember Willie Beanen and his invisible juice.
The O-line showed how false that was

I'm going to ask you something straight the F up, do you think skill position players should be forced, legally forced to share their money with the OL? You socialist mothereffer. I want a straight answer. Yes or no answer, just like they do on Capitol Hill when they're showboating for the cameras.

Yes or no, should they be forced to share their money, that they earned, and is their private property, with their teammates, who helped them achieve their success, by power of 'the state' to impose it's will upon private citizens. Yes or no?

 

[deadirishpoet]

We'll take this in steps
How did they earn it?

 

[savvyandsassier]

We'll take this in steps
How did they earn it?

I'll take that as a 'yes', they should be forced to. And it is true, that rather than chattel slavery, the great social iniquity of the past that the involuntary amateurism of the NCAA resembles is communism more than slavery. And I never took you for a communist. But, you know, people surprise you....

 

[deadirishpoet]

I'll take that as a 'yes', they should be forced to. And it is true, that rather than chattel slavery, the great social iniquity of the past that the involuntary amateurism of the NCAA resembles is communism more than slavery. And I never took you for a communist. But, you know, people surprise you....

More nonsense.
When you don't have a point you throw out slavery.
You're ignorance to slavery is over the top.
Maybe you need to look what's happening in Yemen to give you a better prospective on slavery

 

[sjb75]

I'm going to ask you something straight the F up, do you think skill position players should be forced, legally forced to share their money with the OL? You socialist mothereffer. I want a straight answer. Yes or no answer, just like they do on Capitol Hill when they're showboating for the cameras.

Yes or no, should they be forced to share their money, that they earned, and is their private property, with their teammates, who helped them achieve their success, by power of 'the state' to impose it's will upon private citizens. Yes or no?

More nonsense.
When you don't have a point you throw out slavery.
You're ignorance to slavery is over the top.
Maybe you need to look what's happening in Yemen to give you a better prospective on slavery

This poster is bizarre.

 

[tkirish]

You say you get the logic, but you refuse to accept the reality. And we're just going to have to by fiat restrict those freedoms, as unpleasant as that may be, when the truth is there's no mechanism for that. The NCAA would definitely do that if they could but they can't, and the courts slap them down. This is not what the NCAA wants, but they have no choice. They have to collectively bargain with the players and they don't want to do that, and that's why it's a free for all.

Well I will say this. It will not be to long before players are paid directly from the schools. That is what the end game is. A player will say, “ you want me to play for your school ? What are you going to pay me ? “ That is where this is headed. You’ll end up with two leagues. One for student athletes the other for pay for play. Essentially those “ pay for play” athletes will be employed by the school for their services. Sort of like a minor league.

 

[savvyandsassier]

Well I will say this. It will not be to long before players are paid directly from the schools. That is what the end game is. A player will say, “ you want me to play for your school ? What are you going to pay me ? “ That is where this is headed. You’ll end up with two leagues. One for student athletes the other for pay for play. Essentially those “ pay for play” athletes will be employed by the school for their services. Sort of like a minor league.

Yeah, that's precisely what it will be, but it won't be a 'minor league'. CFB is the #2 spectator sport, bigger than the NBA or MLB. In popularity and revenue and everything. And it's been that way for a long time. This is not a minor league sport. It's age-specific at most. Other than that it's big time professional spectator sports, where they charge for admission, and they charge a lot. You watch it on TV, you buy your ND t shirt, and your ND coffee mug, and your EA sports CFB for playstation every year a new version. All of it. There's billions being made so let's cut the bullshit. They're finally getting their due, and it's going to happen. And it won't be a minor league, it's as big as professional sports gets anywhere in the world.

So, all the details have to be worked out, and obviously that's a massive undertaking. But that's why we have to let the players organize so we can bring order to it. And a compromise. Super straight forward, like any other professional league. As far as the, are they still going to be students angle? Yeah, that would be very easy to accommodate and insist on. And nothing changes there. It's not like a place like LSU has ever made their football players take school very seriously. Anyway, it's on our doorstep, and the only way to bring order is by way of a CBA.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Yeah, that's precisely what it will be, but it won't be a 'minor league'. CFB is the #2 spectator sport, bigger than the NBA or MLB. In popularity and revenue and everything. And it's been that way for a long time. This is not a minor league sport. It's age-specific at most. Other than that it's big time professional spectator sports, where they charge for admission, and they charge a lot. You watch it on TV, you buy your ND t shirt, and your ND coffee mug, and your EA sports CFB for playstation every year a new version. All of it. There's billions being made so let's cut the bullshit. They're finally getting their due, and it's going to happen. And it won't be a minor league, it's as big as professional sports gets anywhere in the world.

So, all the details have to be worked out, and obviously that's a massive undertaking. But that's why we have to let the players organize so we can bring order to it. And a compromise. Super straight forward, like any other professional league. As far as the, are they still going to be students angle? Yeah, that would be very easy to accommodate and insist on. And nothing changes there. It's not like a place like LSU has ever made their football players take school very seriously. Anyway, it's on our doorstep, and the only way to bring order is by way of a CBA.

Why would all the players want to if only a minority will be making the the big money?