As far as facade..... President Obama was anti gay rights correct?
President Trump always support gay rights
OT ND to invite VP Mike Pence to Commencement
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As far as facade..... President Obama was anti gay rights correct?
President Trump always support gay rights
Since Pius XII the Church has recognized there's no conflict between evolution and the Church. Since John Paul II the Church has recognized evolution.
Earlier you asked what is says that they would invite a pro choice president but not a pro life president. It means nothing because your statement means nothing. They have invited pro life presidents in the past. They invited the vice president whose pro life beliefs and pro life actions are stronger than anything the current president has ever said or done. It has nothing to do with abortion.
I've posted quotes from the former President from an article. I wasn't shooting from the hip
There is no over reach when the President (of NDjudged President Trump on his travel ban, but not governor Pence trying to keep Syrian refugees out of Indiana, OR as if VP Pence doesn't agree with the travel ban
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I've generally always been somewhat suspicious of the public positions of a number of politicians who support marriage equality. But that goes for a number of social issues, too.
For what it's worth, I don't lump someone who doesn't believe in marriage equality into a broad "anti-gay rights" box.
Color me skeptical or cynical, but I tend not to put much weight in th
Color me skeptical or cynical, but I don't put a lot of weight on official public pronouncements of institutions, especially from Notre Dame. I tend to think that the reason Pence was invited instead of Trump is simpler: generally, that inviting Trump would have created a massive amount of unrest from a significant portion of the student body, and the university wanted to avoid that.
So according to Pope XII
There is no conflict t with Christianity and evolution , provided that Christians believe that the individual soul is created from God?????
Who decides which monkey get the soul? That's unfair to get other monkey,s who don't receive one don't you think?
That's not what the Father stated in regards to VP Pence invite
You are speculating
Don't want to upset the snowflakes. So much for higher learning. Trump supporters who attend have no voice on campus I guess.
Who would if thought this is what this nation is coming too 30 years ago
Of course I'm speculating--that's what everyone does. Do you believe everything that's said publicly?
You asked when the Catholic Church started embracing evolution. As I've noted, they have for a while. There's no inherent conflict in believing that evolution is part of God's plan . Do you honestly believe that two humans were created approximately 4,000 years ago?
Who is the one whining about who was invited to give the commencement address?
Hint: it's not me. Who's being the snowflake here?
I was taught (I went to a Jesuit HS) that no one knows God's clock when it came to measuring time when I asked about the Earth's creation. That answer stuck with me to this day, and the answer I gave my children
I am not disputing your post in fact I embrace it, but the theory of evolution has always been the voice of Darwin I wonder what his response would be to the Pope?
You are equivalate that me wondering why VP Pence instead of President Trump is being invited as whining yet the student body from Notre Dame who voted for Trump are shutout
Makes perfect sense. Pence is a great choice for commencement speaker. Those who are republicans aren't being "silenced", yet there seem to be a number of people on this board who feel upset that their personal choice wasn't selected, but instead, the choice was someone with a more conservative, more moral record. Odd, to say the least.
Didn't realize that a native son of Indiana who has a more pro-life record, a more conservative record, and doesn't have the personal baggage of your choice is somehow "scraps". What a sense of entitlement.....
I don't hear any complaining from the left about the commencement speaker. I hear plenty of complaining from the right.
Agreed. I'm no fan of the megalomaniac POTUS, but if you want to continue tradition, VP Pence is a better choice than the Pres.
So the Republicans get the second best, don't want to upset the apple cart.
I guess VP Biden wasn't less controversial, or had a more moral record than President Obama not to mention he was Catholic
If tradition means settling for number 2 than it needs to be scrapped
Nobody is complaining about Pence being the representative, simply questioning / inquiring about the machinations behind the decision.
I certainly hope the decision was based on Indiana being Pence's home state versus an attempt to turn down the heat on the campus snowflakes who believe free speech only applies to them.
Call it what you like, the term has been used for at least 10 years (back when Trump was pro choice). And yes, there's overwhelming scientific evidence to support climate change.
Link on Pence and evolution.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/shaenam...-not-accept-evolution-heres-why-that-matters/
Well that is pretty darn short-sighted. Does the ND Admin possess and/or receive the same classified information as that of the POTUS?
Also, I must have missed where Pence admonished, and distanced himself, from the travel ban. Perhaps one of our resident snowflakes, or someone from the ND admin, could point me towards this information.
I thought that ND had a tradition of inviting every President from Eisenhower up to Obama. However,
For some reason, Bill Clinton, was excluded? In my view, President Obama should also never have been
invited to a Catholic University ? Since that time, I have lost a great deal of my love and respect for
ND as a Catholic University.
I agree with NDE that the Church's teaching on Creation is not in conflict with Evolution, because
Evolving from lower beings to primitive man to Adan and Eve may well have been part of God's plan
of Creation ?
Getting back to Obama's invitation, there were certainly protest by prolife Catholics, but they were
peaceful and the leaders like Alan Keyes were arrested and taken away in handcuffs ! They never resisted arrest or desplayed any violence whatsoever! However , ND was quick to put an end to their "Right to Life" protesting.
Since President Trump is certainly not a " Liberal " , Perhaps, Fr. Jenkins was afraid of the " Tolerant Liberals " engaging in their usually loud and violent protests. Perhaps, even riots !
Since, rioting and destruntion is now the norm for " Liberal " protests, and , in spite on my not thinking very highly of Fr. Jenkins, he may indeed be correct in his caution ?
Since the VP is from Indiana , I would immagine that there is little chance of violent protest ?
For some reason, Bill Clinton, was excluded? In my view, President Obama should also never have been
invited to a Catholic University ? Since that time, I have lost a great deal of my love and respect for
ND as a Catholic University.
I agree with NDE that the Church's teaching on Creation is not in conflict with Evolution, because
Evolving from lower beings to primitive man to Adan and Eve may well have been part of God's plan
of Creation ?
Getting back to Obama's invitation, there were certainly protest by prolife Catholics, but they were
peaceful and the leaders like Alan Keyes were arrested and taken away in handcuffs ! They never resisted arrest or desplayed any violence whatsoever! However , ND was quick to put an end to their "Right to Life" protesting.
Since President Trump is certainly not a " Liberal " , Perhaps, Fr. Jenkins was afraid of the " Tolerant Liberals " engaging in their usually loud and violent protests. Perhaps, even riots !
Since, rioting and destruntion is now the norm for " Liberal " protests, and , in spite on my not thinking very highly of Fr. Jenkins, he may indeed be correct in his caution ?
Since the VP is from Indiana , I would immagine that there is little chance of violent protest ?
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What I read, Jenkins said it was because he wanted the focus to be on the graduates, and not on the speaker. So he was just trying to keep things less controversial. Would you want your graduation day overshadowed by a controversy over the speaker? I don't have a problem with that. Pence should be a good speaker (even if he's a former Catholic).
Here's the quote:
"I continue to believe it is important to recognize and listen to our country's elected leader, whatever their views," Jenkins told The Tribune in December. "At the same time, I do not want the surrounding controversy to distract from the central purpose of commencement — a joyful celebration of our graduates and their families."
http://www.southbendtribune.com/new...cle_2e4fc46c-ff64-11e6-bbed-3b85973a9afd.html
NDE,
You are correct that Trump may have beem pro Abotrion ? I am not sure about that, but I think
that he most like did not feel strongly, one way or the other?
However, his actions seem to indicate he is going to act like a pro life president ?
He has already stopped funding all abortion money to foreign countries, and I think that he will stop funding
Planned Parenthood as he cuts items out of the budget ?We will see ?
NBD11,
I would have no problem with Fr. Jenkin's statement, if he had the same concerns for the pro life
students and parents who were not very joyous of His inviting President Obama. So I don't buy the
" Joy " part of his statement.
I think what I stated in a post a little earlier, is a more accurate interpretation of his reasoning ?
Well, maybe he learned his lesson after the Obama fiasco, so he doesn't want controversy to overshadow the graduation again?
rgc - it's a private university with private property. There's no right to access the university. To the extent that there are similar protest groups from the outside when Pence arrives, I would expect that they would be treated similarly.
Both guys may be out of a job by then...
Where this is smoke there is fire. Sessions met with the Russian ambassador TWICE during the election and then lied about it in his confirmation hears. Flynn has already been fired for lying about his strategy sessions with the Russian Ambassador (a known spy master) and Kushner had meetings too.
Maybe it is nothing? But can you imagine the tirade that would be coming from the conservative side it the tables were turned and the Russians interceded to bring down Trump?
Time for a special prosecutor. Just like the Republicans demanded with Bill Clinton (and Janet Reno agreed) over Whitewater. What's fair is fair. (For me this looks a whole lot worse than Whitewater. Hey, maybe like Clinton, Trump will be cleared.)
I'm sure Trump and his people did nothing. Lets get it all on the table so we can get on with the work at hand. But we need the President to have a clean slate. Russia clearly interfered in this election. Are all of you really okay with that? And if Trump (and his people) were colluding with them -- are you really okay with that?
Oh, and the Special Prosecutor will demand to see DT's Tax Returns and that could be the end...
Where this is smoke there is fire. Sessions met with the Russian ambassador TWICE during the election and then lied about it in his confirmation hears. Flynn has already been fired for lying about his strategy sessions with the Russian Ambassador (a known spy master) and Kushner had meetings too.
Maybe it is nothing? But can you imagine the tirade that would be coming from the conservative side it the tables were turned and the Russians interceded to bring down Trump?
Time for a special prosecutor. Just like the Republicans demanded with Bill Clinton (and Janet Reno agreed) over Whitewater. What's fair is fair. (For me this looks a whole lot worse than Whitewater. Hey, maybe like Clinton, Trump will be cleared.)
I'm sure Trump and his people did nothing. Lets get it all on the table so we can get on with the work at hand. But we need the President to have a clean slate. Russia clearly interfered in this election. Are all of you really okay with that? And if Trump (and his people) were colluding with them -- are you really okay with that?
Oh, and the Special Prosecutor will demand to see DT's Tax Returns and that could be the end...
My son who is graduating from USC this spring will be listening to Will Farrell! Which ceremony would you rather attend?
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...ver-USC-Commencement-Address---415273873.html
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...ver-USC-Commencement-Address---415273873.html
Are you concerned about the decades of collusion b/w the Clinton's and the Chinese? Is the USA the only country in the world with permission to influence elections and demand regime change? How about you and your party worry about the plank of wood sticking out your eye and let us worry about the sawdust in ours, mmmkaay?
Sorry but show me anything like the mounting evidence we are currently seeing a la this administration and Putin... I have not heard of any collusion with the Chinese (and if the Chinese did do something, they failed!). But the proof must be from the Wall Street Journal or NY Times. Not Breitbart news!Are you concerned about the decades of collusion b/w the Clinton's and the Chinese? Is the USA the only country in the world with permission to influence elections and demand regime change? How about you and your party worry about the plank of wood sticking out your eye and let us worry about the sawdust in ours, mmmkaay?
Are you concerned about the decades of collusion b/w the Clinton's and the Chinese? Is the USA the only country in the world with permission to influence elections and demand regime change? How about you and your party worry about the plank of wood sticking out your eye and let us worry about the sawdust in ours, mmmkaay?
You need to look no farther than the Obama administration and Isreal such hypocrisy
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