OT: Las Vegas Active Shooter
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I mentioned not stamping out all nole trolls during the offseason. One of note.
Just a reminder. Words can hurt 98.
Just a reminder. Words can hurt 98.
I haven't argued whether there was one mass shooter who wasn't on anti-psycho's. I have argued that your idea wouldn't stop these guys from buying guns. If you are saying that the meds are what caused these guys to start shooting, great, I'm not arguing with you on that. What I AM arguing with you about is that restricting people on meds from buying guns wouldn't have stopped these shootings. Additionally, I'm arguing with you that such laws wouldn't hold up in court.
We STILL don't know whether the guy bought the guns before or after he was on the meds. When in 2016 did he fill that prescription? Was it before October 2016?
According to your same article, he had a total of 47 firearms, which includes both those at the scene and those recovered from his home. 33 of the firearms were purchased since October 2016. Point being, the guy had 14 firearms before your proposed law would have kicked in to begin with.
I don't remember it, but feel free to extract whatever vengeance is due.
You can be pretty sure it won't be investigated. The focus will be on gun control.
Ok, so address my other point. Again, according to your article, the shooter had a total of 47 guns, and 33 of them were purchased since October 2016. So, that leaves 14 firearms outside of the time frame. He still had a significant number of firearms that your proposed law would not have prohibited him from buying.
Not an abnormal amount. See DIP's post earlier. Could be shotguns and pistols from his earlier days. Not the destructive firepower purchased later.
None of this is exclusive of radicalization either BTW. Radicalization does not prove the drugs weren't still the enablers.
"Could be" isn't an adequate response. You also lumped this shooter in with all the other mass shooters. 14 firearms is plenty for a mass shooting (as evidenced by some of the other shootings you mentioned). Again, my point is that your proposed law would not have stopped this guy, or other shooters from getting guns.
You seem to think I'm arguing for gun control. I'm not. If you read my earlier posts, I have argued with other "anti-gun" posters (for lack of a better term) about some of their proposed restrictions.
From what I can tell (because your postings are somewhat unclear), it seems to me that you favor the rights of individuals to own guns (a "gun supporter" again for lack of a better term). It seems that your concern is that the public and the government are going to put all the blame on guns, and ignore other contributing factors (like the meds and drugs). Then they will restrict the rights of lawful gun owners, when the real problem causing these shootings are mentally unstable people on prescriptions drugs. I may be wrong on this, but that's what I'm interpreting from reading your posts.
So again, let me point out, I'm not advocating for gun control. I'm pointing out the flaws in the solutions of both the "pro-gun" and "anti-gun" (again, to use clumsy terms) posters. My concern is that any solution be taken through appropriate measure. For example, if "anti-gun" posters want strict gun control, then do it the proper way with a constitutional amendment, rather than do an end run around the Constitution.
The Second Amendment is going nowhere. There have been more than enough knee jerk reactions to the Second Amendment Nothing's changed nothing will its inherent right and shall not be infringed upon period!
The 2nd amendment is set Law. The interpretations are clear.
I could care less how many other countries do not have the same gun rights we have.
I understand that. What I'm saying is, if a person doesn't like the fact that we have gun rights, fine. That's their opinion. What I'm saying is, if they want to change it, at least do it legally. At least go through the constitutional amendment process. That at least preserves the legal framework of the country. Trying to push a bill through Congress, or trying to pack the Supreme Court to get a favorable ruling is a bad way to go, no matter what side you are on. It opens up a whole can of worms far beyond gun rights.
2nd is clear. There is no room for ambiguity. I just think it's going to take a hit in the near future.
DIP, you are not going to be able to bring your assault rifles into the hotel anymore. Where once you could. That is a loss of 2nd amendment right. That's why I am saying the 2nd is going to take a hit.
DIP, you are not going to be able to bring your assault rifles into the hotel anymore. Where once you could. That is a loss of 2nd amendment right. That's why I am saying the 2nd is going to take a hit.
That is up to the private establishment that is not up to you or the state.
The US Supreme Court has been interpreting the Constitution for over two hundred years, and the fact is these often evolve over time and are reflective of societal change and the liberal or conservative bias of the justices that are in the majority. Just underscores how terribly important the appointment process to fill vacant Supreme Court Justice positions has become, and why some folks voted for Trump on that singular issue, and the long term implications of same. DIP, would you be as confident as to the 2nd Amendment lasting meaning if Hillary had been elected with a Democrat Senate? I sure as hell wouldn’t.
Yes I would be confident I don't even think there's anyway could be challenge because a president Hillary would be just as much in the pockets as a candidate Hillary.(sarcasm)
This is settled law
Never know when a person could manifest mental illness. One reason to preclude the future sale of semi-automatics and conversion kits for existing guns.
Just going to jump in here and throw everything against the wall.
So the girl friend is hanging out with this guy for how long and they never talked about politics or current events at all?? Did she go with him to Boston? Chicago? Is she still being interviewed? News about her has just shut down. In general, information is lacking on all fronts. Is information being held back? Clearly, the guy had been planning this for some time.
So the girl friend is hanging out with this guy for how long and they never talked about politics or current events at all?? Did she go with him to Boston? Chicago? Is she still being interviewed? News about her has just shut down. In general, information is lacking on all fronts. Is information being held back? Clearly, the guy had been planning this for some time.
"Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Ben Franklin.
So... nobody is talking about his ties to the CIA, arms running in Afghanistan, or working for Lockheed Martin in the past? Interesting... Where do you guys get your info? You need additional sources.
And where is the hotel / casino video footage of this guy checking in, going up elevators, and coming and going from his room?
And where is the hotel / casino video footage of this guy checking in, going up elevators, and coming and going from his room?
1 -"Life expectancy, health care costs per person, higher education costs per person, pension per person, etc, etc are directly comparable on a person to person basis"
Sounds like a place were more than 27 million people would want to be. I mean its not like it's a small country. There has to be cheap quality land available all over the place.
2 - "Lastly, Canadians are not Spaniards. There are not 3 hour breaks here. We get the same half hour or one hour lunch breaks you do and they can either be paid or unpaid, depending on where you work."
I wasn't speaking about Canada cowboy so you can relax there. BTW I don't take a lunch break unless you count picking on crackers as lunch. Big meals slow me down.
3 - When you make the wildly inaccurate assertion that one group gives away 50% of their paychecks in order to fund refugees, expect to be corrected. I can tell you flat out that I lose about 38% of my paycheck and that includes all mine and my family's healthcare benefits, mine and my family's dental and medical coverage, my sick days and holidays, my pension plan, etc, etc... I'm not bragging about that. I'm talking about being accurate in what you're saying.
I didn't say 50%, but I believe the accurate number is 42% My comment was:
"All your facts and figures in regards to percentages are skewed because the American population is 100 times that of the Canadian population, but if you figure is all them goodies the government is giving you to have a hell of a lot more people there but from what I understand a lot of Canadians are tired of paying for other people's stuff"
I was speaking in general terms not just in regards in immigrants. I showed you a link on a later post that my helper sent me (who at one point was a Canadian citizen).
Now I'm at the understanding you are either enlisted, or a reservist. Do those benefits mirror the public/private sector.?
Do your politicians have a Cadillac heathcare coverage that our politicians have that the rest of the country (besides millionaires) don't
I cant speak for America, but my heathcare cost were far better, and cheaper before President Obama went with his global agenda, but my point being was that data you provided before, or after the ACA was implemented?
Lets just agree you are happy with big government in Canada while I'm frustrated with Big government America.
PS....It's Hockey Season Go Flyers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You do understand what the 2nd amendment is?????????In your mind only the government can have guns that can commit mass slaughter? What in the hell does that mean. It totally contradicts the 2nd amendment.
I could give 2 shits about what the rest of the world does. Your saving one life comment is also out of touch with reality. I have several assault weapons and have never taken a human life with them. Do you expect criminals to obey the ban?
Don' t tread on me with your blah blah blah hypotheticals Reality is far different. You'll have a better chance of becoming a citizen in those other countries than taking guns away from American citizens. Hell our boy IIO just gave stats how great Canada is, and it looks like they are open for business. One action always leads to a slippery slop)
Do yourself and America a favor......Get more familiar with the 2nd amendment, and the meaning of it.
Pssst it has nothing to do with hunting. I let you figure the rest out.
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What I find interesting is with all those rounds fired in the pictures I've seen were are all the spent casings? also the police are saying the gunman was using 2.23 rounds which doesn't jive with that distant. A 308 (7.62) round is more likely. I mean the more you firer the hotter the rounds get ....are there burnt rounds on the carpet/body?
There are a lot of unanswered questions
Here is an informative article on where we rank in terms of gun deaths as compared to other nations. It is 8 times more likely here than Canada. 27 times more likely than in Denmark. The figures come from:
"The numbers comes from a massive database maintained by the University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, which tracks lives lost in every country, in every year, by every possible cause of death."
http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...lence-how-the-u-s-compares-to-other-countries
I wonder if there are numbers on the deaths and violence from guns smuggled out of the US. Our gun obsession spills over to other countries.
"The numbers comes from a massive database maintained by the University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, which tracks lives lost in every country, in every year, by every possible cause of death."
http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...lence-how-the-u-s-compares-to-other-countries
I wonder if there are numbers on the deaths and violence from guns smuggled out of the US. Our gun obsession spills over to other countries.
Canada is a massive country, but much of the Northern reaches of the country are fairly inhabitable. Wayyyy too cold and remote. Let's face it, you have to be a hardy person to want to live in a country that has 6+ months of winter and temperatures that get as cold as -50 in some places. It's certainly not for everyone.
Also, I wasn't talking about you when I was referencing the % of taxes we pay. The "you" I was talking about in my most was Thunder, who was talking about Canadians paying more than 50%. Considering I pay 38%, 42% seems accurate. I can see that.
Go Leafs Go! 15 goals through 2 games and one of your American boys, Austin Matthews, is our main man!
The Maple Leafs had an excellent couple games but freaking Chicago is starting off strong early this season
