OSU had 10 Players on 1st play at Goal Line
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Then how were they not flagged for an illegal formation?
7 players on the line of scrimmage. No more than 4 players on the backfield. There is no rule that I am aware of that says you have to have 11 offensive players on the field
They threw the ball. If anyone released its ineligbile downfield. or not enough on the line. Was it a one man route?
Like I said they threw the ball. You can't run that play with 10. Somebody would have been ineligible.
I’m confused. There are clearly 11 players out there but you’re saying that you watched it and that there are 10 players for OSU. What am I missing?
I know Al Washington personally. ND should be thrilled to have this guy on staff. He is a class act and a damn good Coach.
They had 11.
I’m not sure what’s going on here because you can clearly go back and see on video that there are 11 players out there for OSU.
This is what one of the two statements MF made that annoyed me reading the post-game presser transcript.
1. Realizing too late that they only had 10 on the field and not wanting to take the penalty there.
It's 18 inches, take the damn penalty and be at full strength for the last play of the game.
2. When asked about ND's last offensive possession. He said they wanted to be aggressive and go for the win.
Well, when your OL just decimated their DL on the previous TD drive, and their D is clearly gassed, you continue to pound them via the ground game. Especially after Estime just gashed them for a 12 yard gain. At that point you just ram it down their throat. You can be aggressive with a ground game.
You’re wrong, OSU had 11 players on the field.
2 wideouts
2 in the backfield
7 on the LOS
MF didn’t know how many players ND had on the field so why would you expect him to know how many players OSU had on the field.
OSU had 11 players on the field, that’s irrefutable !
Then WHY did you initiate this post without doing your due diligence and getting your facts right ?
It was pointed out on an OSU site that Gee Scott (#88) flinches/false starts on the final play which the refs didn't see. He is lined up in a wingback position next to the right tackle. A penalty pushes it back to 3rd and 6.
We all know that just let it go. MF is still a new coach so he continues to go through the fires. Its a trade off for his recruiting prowess.
All of these posts are moot. The OSU RB had his right knee down before he crossed the goal line. ND really was the winner of the game. The Big 10 refs screwed us like the ACC refs screwed us against FSU years ago. The 10 men posts are clouding the real issue. DJ Brown made an incredible game saving tackle from a tough angle. We won! We beat OSU. Celebrate! Let the playoff committee know come decision time.
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I don’t recall, but it is remotely possible.
I have a feeling that this false rumor was created in an attempt to divert and deflect attention from MF’s blunder.
I never coached, but I played for years.
We all, as players, knew our position groups by play. If it was goal line it was the base 8 and the 3 biggest dudes come in. If its cover the speed group. We all knew it. The coaches didn’t find each one of us and say “now go out there Johnny”. We just heard them yell “goal line package”.
If we where hurt, we told coach and our backup. It was our responsibility.
The spotters in the box would radio down if we where short. Then the coach would go ape shit.
I don’t get it out of a time out. The players should know from the huddle. They knew there were no TO’s for either. They had to have two calls. We are goal line for 2 plays guys unless they sub. If they do, we will sub to XX.
The player that no showed and the spotter in the fist play should catch that and radio down.
I get what Marcus is saying about the last play. No way you get anyone in on that, they went fast. That miss was out of the time out.
I wish he would just say “our spotter missed it in the booth and the player responsible for his package just screwed up. Ultimately it’s the spotters that radio that down off the break and Golden should send someone on.
Maybe some coaches here that deal with it can offer additional or counter info.
We all, as players, knew our position groups by play. If it was goal line it was the base 8 and the 3 biggest dudes come in. If its cover the speed group. We all knew it. The coaches didn’t find each one of us and say “now go out there Johnny”. We just heard them yell “goal line package”.
If we where hurt, we told coach and our backup. It was our responsibility.
The spotters in the box would radio down if we where short. Then the coach would go ape shit.
I don’t get it out of a time out. The players should know from the huddle. They knew there were no TO’s for either. They had to have two calls. We are goal line for 2 plays guys unless they sub. If they do, we will sub to XX.
The player that no showed and the spotter in the fist play should catch that and radio down.
I get what Marcus is saying about the last play. No way you get anyone in on that, they went fast. That miss was out of the time out.
I wish he would just say “our spotter missed it in the booth and the player responsible for his package just screwed up. Ultimately it’s the spotters that radio that down off the break and Golden should send someone on.
Maybe some coaches here that deal with it can offer additional or counter info.
"Then how were they not flagged for an illegal formation?"
it is not illegal to only have 10 in an offensive formation -- what is Illegal is to have more than 4 in the backfield.
if the formation had 3 in the backfield and 7 on the line, or 4 in the backfield and only 6 on the line -- perfectly legal.
"Like I said they threw the ball. You can't run that play with 10. Somebody would have been ineligible."
YES YOU CAN! As long as they DID NOT have MORE THAN 4 players in the backfield -- play on.
Like I said. They threw the ball. So if they only had 10 it was a penalty as someone would have been covered up to get to 7. You can't get to 7 lined up the way they were with 10 unless you make a guy ineligible. Unless you are in empty.
Please know the rule before speaking -- it is the same in HS, NCAA and the NFL.
So, you have a WR OT, OG, C, OG, OT WR on the line -- the 2 WR are eligible, no one is covered (7 on the line)
in the backfield, you have a QB and 2 RB -- BOTH RB's would be eligible (3 in the backfield)
10 men in formation
In this situation, you have 4 eligible receivers, both uncovered, no more than 4 in the backfield -- the offense surely can run a play if they desire --
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That’s 11 players genius. I said if they had a qb in the backfield and a. RB with two WR to one side with 10 players. Someone would have to be covered up to make 7.thereby making him ineligible.
