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I supported BK 11 of the 12 seasons and still agree with your post. Had his Irish closed @Georgia or @FSU or home against Georgia or @Clemson then imo a lot of those who jumped ship Kelly a long time wouldn’t be stuck on the many, many Prime Time beat downs. They wouldn’t bring up “going for 2 against NW” or tossing it 50 times in a Hurricane @NC State or scaring so many Irish toddlers against South Florida or the inability to stop Navy’s very, very basic FullBack Dive” in Baltimore or even last season losing at home to Cincinnati.
I could not care less what couch critics say about Brian Kelly. I am simply grateful for his 12 years, and Jack Swarbick made the correct decision not hiring Marc Dantonio, Tom Herman, or Justin Fuente in 2016....the hot names at that time.
Went 54-9 his last 5 seasons, two Playoff berths, and handed Marcus Freeman a much much improved program top to bottom.
If you want to criticize how Kelly departed, he deserves the criticism. Other than that, be grateful.
Been there, done that
Thx
P.s.
Allow me a question...
Do you think Brian Kelly did a good job as the ND head coach.
Please read very carefully.
Key words...
"Good job" and
"head coach"
"of ND" <----- emphasis on ND
It's a simple yes or no
You need to go be a Head Coach of a major college football program. Start looking now for 2023.
Since you profess to know crappy Head Coaches when you see them, go apply and get a big boy job and show us how it is done.
Again..been there done that.
Why do you avoid such a simple question...
I'll ask again...
Do you think Brian Kelly did a good job as the ND head coach.
Please read very carefully.
Key words...
"Good job" and
"head coach"
"of ND" <----- emphasis on ND
It's a simple yes or no
Notre Dame final F+ ranking by year (last 5 seasons under BK):
2021: #9
2020: #12
2019: #14
2018: #13
2017: #10
source: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/fplus/2021
You know what I see here? A big "blah" burger. ND would have been on this 10-15th ranked train indefinitely under BK multiple tiers away from the very top.
It was time for ND to let BK shake loose, and it was time for ND to bring in a new culture/generation of ND football to get with the times. The ND program seems much more player centric under MF than it did under BK and the recruiting results are showing it. This is the kind of talent we need so that we can compete for more than 2 quarters against the playoff perennials of the world.
2021: #9
2020: #12
2019: #14
2018: #13
2017: #10
source: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/fplus/2021
You know what I see here? A big "blah" burger. ND would have been on this 10-15th ranked train indefinitely under BK multiple tiers away from the very top.
It was time for ND to let BK shake loose, and it was time for ND to bring in a new culture/generation of ND football to get with the times. The ND program seems much more player centric under MF than it did under BK and the recruiting results are showing it. This is the kind of talent we need so that we can compete for more than 2 quarters against the playoff perennials of the world.
Would you call Saban an all time great?
Because...well...he was so-so every where else. He had one lightning in a bottle year at LSU...the rest would've got him fired by today's standards...
Average @ MSU
Average @ LSU
Laughable and aborted his attempt in the NFL with the Dolphins
Ara? Great coach? So-so except at ND
Lou was absolutely positively an all time great especially with the schedules he played
Keep an eye on the Nebraska job, and hopefully your agent has a good relationship with the A.D. Trev Alberts.
You could perform big things in Lincoln.
Faust was a high school coach. He had no business leveling up to CFB HC without first having some experience at the college level, especially at a program like Notre Dame.
I agree, but Notre Dame had no business hiring him as a HC.
If your H.C. dons a dress and walks the campus to take fans temperature, you might be headed for some questionable days!
(however, BK may do it to get dance partners
Again you refuse to answer that simple question.
For the 3rd time...
Did Brian Kelly do a good job as HC @ ND.
Yes or no
Run-on sentences are poor grammar. Should be "Poor grammar. Please correct to be coherent."
extrapoint if you use phoor gramer and run ohn sentenses (incorret punctuationis extra points!)
Well stated. Unreal the lack of appreciation for what he accomplished on the field for this program. After Davie. Willingham and Weis, he truly made us perennial Top Ten relevant again. He left the program in amazing shape, and his successor is now 0-2 in big games, the one thing Kelly was mocked for. You speak the truth.
He was ready for a new challenge after 11 seasons. I don’t get the visceral scorn.
And his successor has coached two games —- both big —- and both losses. Just saying.
As am I. Great post. Agree with everything you just wrote.
Why always compare Kelly to the coaching failures? That's an extremely low bar. Let's compare Kelly's resume to the Greats. Let's compare him to Holtz, who dealt with brutal schedules, typically 8-9 games per year vs Top 25 teams, and 2-4 Top 10 teams/year Won one National Championship in a year he beat the #2, #3, #4, and #5 teams. Holtz basically won a championship going through a playoff without a playoff. He should have won another in 93 , but they decided to gift it to Bowden.
And don't throw in the academic restrictions, Name one player other than maybe Rice that was given leniency on academics?
Kelly had the advantage of working with some of the easiest schedules in Notre Dame history. Losses to Navy, Tulsa, USF, blow out losses against Michigan, Stanford, and Miami. Couldn't beat a less talented team in Cincinnati last year at home. Kelly was a good coach, but he should not have been given 12 years.
So what do you think about Freeman now? Kelly sure sucked against non Top 25 opponents (42 in a row, what a piker). That streak just came to an unceremonious end against perhaps the worst non-Top 25 team we have played the last five years.
I compare Kelly to his peers in college football. He was a great coach. LSU wouldn’t have thrown him $100M otherwise.
You are happy with what we have now and the previous coach should have been removed?
You and me both. It's pretty disturbing stuff. Somewhere along the line, for reasons that are still a mystery, BK became a genuine hate-figure for what appears to be the large majority of vocal online ND fans. It's so effed-up and pathological, I'm quite certain that psychologists, from like, Harvard Medical School, could have a field day trying to make sense of it, in the context of some sort of mass hysteria.
Because of course BK is a top coach, and had the program more or less at the pinnacle of CFB. No mean feat for ND football in the modern era. He was also a perfectly genial and pleasant guy, and anything but a scumbag. And so my theory is BK left less for the challenge of it, or even the money, but simply to get away from this increasingly toxic and highly delusional and vicious, insular fan culture. It's not just that he wasn't appreciated, he was very actively and vocally loathed. As you say, it was visceral. And for god knows what reason....
If karma has any say in the matter, ND will go 0-12 this season.....
we can’t seem to stop these BK threads, it’s ridiculous.
I’ll keep saying it, BK pulled this program out of the gutter and made it a true national player again. He had THREE undefeated regular seasons. No, ND didn’t win some playoff or BCS bowls but I’d argue the losses, mostly to Bama, Clemson, OSU, and UGA were superior teams in talent and depth.
I didn’t love BK, but I respected what he did for the program. My biggest gripe by a wide margin was his inability to ever recruit a true game changer at QB. The few years we had really solid QB play, the following year the QB’s regressed, every single time.
He’s gone folks, let the shit go already.
I’ll keep saying it, BK pulled this program out of the gutter and made it a true national player again. He had THREE undefeated regular seasons. No, ND didn’t win some playoff or BCS bowls but I’d argue the losses, mostly to Bama, Clemson, OSU, and UGA were superior teams in talent and depth.
I didn’t love BK, but I respected what he did for the program. My biggest gripe by a wide margin was his inability to ever recruit a true game changer at QB. The few years we had really solid QB play, the following year the QB’s regressed, every single time.
He’s gone folks, let the shit go already.
Amen. You nailed it. Great amplification. Move on.
I only continued this thread because an earlier poster responded to me and said that BK should have been removed earlier in his tenure for not winning against teams only the Uber elite could beat, and that his winning percentage was the beneficiary of “easy scheduling.”
I guess Marshall doesn’t qualify as easy scheduling.
In fairness, Holtz also won over 70% of his games at NC State and Arkansas. And those two back to back stints covered 11 seasons, just as his ND run did.
But he did poorly at William & Mary, Minnesota and South Carolina. Ironically, though it was merely having a barely winning 6-5 record at Minnesota in 85 that made him a candidate for the ND job.
The visceral scorn comes from the fact that he DUMPED ND. Walked away.
And my guess -- and it's only a guess -- is that ND pissed him off, and he figured WHO NEEDS THIS? Kelly wasn't an ND MYSTIC like Holtz or IDEALIZED like Ara. He's professional and kind of BLUNT. He's also nakedly TRANSACTIONAL. Hey, it's a business.
I also think Kelly saw the portal, NIL and potential REVENUE SHARING as LOOMING PROBLEMS for ND. In which case, any attenpt to garner an NC there might easily become only that much harder. The man is no fool.
The offense many ND fans feel over Kelly's having left has been EXTRAORDINARY. At the same time, it's typical of those who've been spurned but who deny the insult by demonizing the person who spurned them.
So then, here comes Marcus Freeman, THE ANTI-KELLY. The man is IMMEDIATELY CROWNED as ND's NEXT GREAT COACH and its deliverer from all things KELLY THE USURPER.
The entire drama is rife with MIDDLE SCHOOL REASONING. Kelly, bad; Freeman, good.
But then, there's ACTUAL COACHING, a trade at which Brian Kelly over several decades has won over 70% of his games, while Marcus Freeman is now 0-3.
I always knew that you’d finally come to agree with my opinion ! 😜
would rather go 0-12 without BK than 12-0 with him! He was despicable.
Valid points. MF was and is a risky hire. I don’t know that a Kelly coached team would have won yesterday. Marshal was better. With that said MF really needs to take command and start winning. No excuses. He going to be here for a few years. The honeymoon is over. Let’s see how they respond
