Notre Dame was supposed to be past showings like Saturday's -- so, now what?

[G_a_r_y]

They were supposed to be past this by now, these Notre Dame coaches and players. This was supposed to be their year.

A defense starting 10 guys who entered Saturday with 11-plus starts to their names is not supposed to be shell-shocked on its first two drives.

A coach who has made questionable two-point decisions in the past is not supposed to be chasing points with 14 minutes left.

A team with 26 fourth- and fifth-year players is not supposed to come undone on its biggest stage, dropping a number of passes and losing three fumbles in the second half.

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/p...o-be-past-showings-like-saturdays-so-now-what

 

[BGI User 1596]

PLUS ÇA CHANGE, PLUS C'EST LA MÊME CHOSE!

 

[sshulk]

See 1988 Miami Hurricanes at ND Oct 15, 1988 ... Very similar scenario - canes turned it over 7 times including at the goal line and with a roster full of nfl players - come storming back and fall short on 2 pointer - they consider it a blown game we consider it our best home win ever

 

[twalsh]

They were supposed to be past this by now, these Notre Dame coaches and players. This was supposed to be their year.

A defense starting 10 guys who entered Saturday with 11-plus starts to their names is not supposed to be shell-shocked on its first two drives.

A coach who has made questionable two-point decisions in the past is not supposed to be chasing points with 14 minutes left.

A team with 26 fourth- and fifth-year players is not supposed to come undone on its biggest stage, dropping a number of passes and losing three fumbles in the second half.

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/p...o-be-past-showings-like-saturdays-so-now-what

Did you see Bama's loss to Ole Miss? Nobody is past any of this stuff. They are 18-22 year old kids, they don't always perform like you want them to or think they should.

 

[NDSMC78]

Did you see Bama's loss to Ole Miss? Nobody is past any of this stuff. They are 18-22 year old kids, they don't always perform like you want them to or think they should.

Truer words were never stated. This is what makes CFB such a great game. From week to week, you never know what you are going to get.

 

[kellyirish35]

T Walsh -- thank you - people think we lost by 28 to an unranked opponent in pristine conditions

people are mother ****in clowns

 

[kellyirish35]

GARY --

Clemson was ranked # 12 now # 6 - played them on the road where their record is 30-2 in last 32 games

• 3rd string QB
• lost two of our six secondary guys crawford - tranquill
• 3rd string RB
• soph and frosh @ DT Tillery - Cage
• kicked Clemsons ass in second half - kicked their ass
• monsoon rains ( four fumbles lost as a result ) seven dropped passes as a result
• how bout this , take your 2 pt conversion bull shit and ram it up purse's ass

 

[Telx1]

Most here were predicting a 10-2 season, and the Clemson game was clearly one of the most difficult on the schedule, and that was before Malik went down. Kizer made a number of mistakes, doesn't come close to having Malik's running ability, and yet he rallied the team and was a failed conversion away from tying the score in unbelievable conditions. You simply cannot go into Death Valley and turn the ball over four times and walk away with a victory, and yet we nearly did.

 

[deadirishpoet]

They were supposed to be past this by now, these Notre Dame coaches and players. This was supposed to be their year.

A defense starting 10 guys who entered Saturday with 11-plus starts to their names is not supposed to be shell-shocked on its first two drives.

A coach who has made questionable two-point decisions in the past is not supposed to be chasing points with 14 minutes left.

A team with 26 fourth- and fifth-year players is not supposed to come undone on its biggest stage, dropping a number of passes and losing three fumbles in the second half.






Clemson won, ND did not give it away Give them the credit.

They were supposed to be past this by now, these Notre Dame coaches and players. This was supposed to be their year.

A defense starting 10 guys who entered Saturday with 11-plus starts to their names is not supposed to be shell-shocked on its first two drives.

A coach who has made questionable two-point decisions in the past is not supposed to be chasing points with 14 minutes left.

A team with 26 fourth- and fifth-year players is not supposed to come undone on its biggest stage, dropping a number of passes and losing three fumbles in the second half.

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/p...o-be-past-showings-like-saturdays-so-now-what

That's a little harsh don't ya think considering the weather? I know both teams played in it, but combined the weather and the type of offense ND runs played a factor,

The defense did pretty damn good as a whole I thought.

I have yet to see the game but from what I've read and clips I've seen this game could of turn either way.

 

[kellyirish35]

Fuller makes catch at midfield - robinson makes catch on two pt conversion and game over

As Kelly said we left 125 yds and at least ten points on the field - he was gracious not to even mention the weather

 

[twalsh]

Fuller makes catch at midfield - robinson makes catch on two pt conversion and game over

As Kelly said we left 125 yds and at least ten points on the field - he was gracious not to even mention the weather

You cannot mention, or complain about, the weather when both teams are playing in the same weather.

 

[kellyirish35]

Another example was ND vs Miami in 1989, Miami drilled the defending National Champions 27-10. We were never in the game and played like is was 1986 all over. It cost us the NC. It's called football.

You cannot mention, or complain about, the weather when both teams are playing in the same weather.

Yes I can

 

[twalsh]

Yes I can

Yes, you can. Brian Kelly can't.

 

[schadenfreude]

They were supposed to be past this by now, these Notre Dame coaches and players. This was supposed to be their year.

A defense starting 10 guys who entered Saturday with 11-plus starts to their names is not supposed to be shell-shocked on its first two drives.

A coach who has made questionable two-point decisions in the past is not supposed to be chasing points with 14 minutes left.

A team with 26 fourth- and fifth-year players is not supposed to come undone on its biggest stage, dropping a number of passes and losing three fumbles in the second half.

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/p...o-be-past-showings-like-saturdays-so-now-what

You must have heard the catchphrase "they are Clemsoning!" this past week. No team EVER gets over occasionally losing tight games to good teams. Not Alabama, or Ohio State, or USC. ND is no different.

 

[schadenfreude]

Yes I can

If you were a coach who brought up bad weather as a reason for losing, you would be laughed out of the building.

 

[kellyirish35]

Thanks for the lesson in appropriate PC verbage after a game - thanks it's important

 

[schadenfreude]

Thanks for the lesson in appropriate PC verbage after a game - thanks it's important

No problem. Come September 28th 2029, you too might be handing out some wisdom here.

 

[HDK]

GARY --

Clemson was ranked # 12 now # 6 - played them on the road where their record is 30-2 in last 32 games

• 3rd string QB
• lost two of our six secondary guys crawford - tranquill
• 3rd string RB
• soph and frosh @ DT Tillery - Cage
• kicked Clemsons ass in second half - kicked their ass
• monsoon rains ( four fumbles lost as a result ) seven dropped passes as a result
• how bout this , take your 2 pt conversion bull shit and ram it up purse's ass

Give Clemson some credit: Every fumble was forced by defenders stripping the ball or putting a helmet on it. I saw ND players trying to strip the ball too, but to no avail. Clemson also played very conservatively down the stretch, which certainly helped fuel our comeback, and allows you to say we kicked their ass in the second half, even though we didn't do any such thing until the final 10 minutes.

There were a lot of factors that led to the outcome. That we got off to terrible starts both halves is more than enough to account for the loss. But you also had some overly conservative play calling, more than enough dropped passes to go around for a month, and a questionable 2-pt try.

 

[tkirish]

Another example was ND vs Miami in 1989, Miami drilled the defending National Champions 27-10. We were never in the game and played like is was 1986 all over. It cost us the NC. It's called football.

Not so fast Ara. I agree Miami played well. However ND was still in the game up until the 3rd and 44 connection. That was the dagger. It was part of the ten minute drive. To say ND was never in the game is a stretch. Had they stopped Miami on the 3rd down, they would have gotten the ball back and maybe a chance to tie the game. I think they were down 17 to 10 at the time.

 

[twalsh]

Not so fast Ara. I agree Miami played well. However ND was still in the game up until the 3rd and 44 connection. That was the dagger. It was part of the ten minute drive. To say ND was never in the game is a stretch. Had they stopped Miami on the 3rd down, they would have gotten the ball back and maybe a chance to tie the game. I think they were down 17 to 10 at the time.

We were in that game almost the entire game. Then we fail to pick up a fumble, followed by the worst defensive third down conversion in college football history, and that was it.

 

[tkirish]

I remember the fumble and I believe it was either Andre Jones or Devon McDonald who had the best chance at it. Miami recovered. No way in hell did I even think it was possible to get a first down. Then streaking up the sideline is Randall Hill untouched and catches the pass for a first down. Unreal, but it happened. That was the nail in the coffin.

 

[HDK]

We were in that game almost the entire game. Then we fail to pick up a fumble, followed by the worst defensive third down conversion in college football history, and that was it.

I think you guys have very selective memories. Miami throttled us from start to finish. Our sole TD came on a Ned Bolcar interception. We had an early field goal, but Anthony Johnson fumbled a play or two before and the refs called him down, negating a turnover. Miami then used almost the entire third quarter to break our backs.

Wasn't as close as the score.

 

[tkirish]

I think you guys have very selective memories. Miami throttled us from start to finish. Our sole TD came on a Ned Bolcar interception. We had an early field goal, but Anthony Johnson fumbled a play or two before and the refs called him down, negating a turnover. Miami then used almost the entire third quarter to break our backs.

Wasn't as close as the score.

I do remember. The crowd was loud and vicious. Miami was all over them the entire game. But even with that, ND still was in the game up until that insane 3rd down conversion. I remember Miami holding the ball for over ten minutes in the third quarter. It's not like ND didn't have any chances . They did. Again, not getting the fumble recovery deep in Miami territory then giving up the big 3rd and 44 play was the turning point in the game. That basically sealed the deal for Miami.

 

[TurnoverMachine]

They were supposed to be past this by now, these Notre Dame coaches and players. This was supposed to be their year.

A defense starting 10 guys who entered Saturday with 11-plus starts to their names is not supposed to be shell-shocked on its first two drives.

A coach who has made questionable two-point decisions in the past is not supposed to be chasing points with 14 minutes left.

A team with 26 fourth- and fifth-year players is not supposed to come undone on its biggest stage, dropping a number of passes and losing three fumbles in the second half.

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/p...o-be-past-showings-like-saturdays-so-now-what

ND will never be past moments like Saturday with the current HC.

 

[cgvr]

ND will never be past moments like Saturday with the current HC.

You! Yeah, you buster. You have never done laundry for a high school football team.
Until you do so, please stop sharing your uneducated opinion.

 

[TurnoverMachine]

Did you see Bama's loss to Ole Miss? Nobody is past any of this stuff. They are 18-22 year old kids, they don't always perform like you want them to or think they should.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Alabama.... The school that has dominated college football the last six years and rarely loses. I'm speechless. I guess some people will never run out of excuses. 8-4 is here to stay and the majority of people in here actually are fine with it. Sad how times have changed.

 

[TurnoverMachine]

Did you see Bama's loss to Ole Miss? Nobody is past any of this stuff. They are 18-22 year old kids, they don't always perform like you want them to or think they should.

So ND is never going to win a big game on the road again? Sounds contradictory when the majority in here predicted 14-0 this season and if you didn't agree with that you're not a fan. Now people are on spin control because cbk botches the game. After the opening kick-off/fumble of the second half the team played almost flawlessly. If the idiot coach doesn't go for 2 @ 21-9 I believe ND wins in OT because the players ND has are better than CU's.

The fact of the matter is ND is 0-2 the last two years in the Clemson/FSU tilts and the one reason is terrible head coaching decisions. Kelly keeps getting in the way. Stop acting like you're some choir boy. You're blaming the players for the loss. It's not their fault. They played hard after being unprepared in the f2f first quarter.

When ND gets a better head coach we'll all be happier in here.

 

[mmboys07]

So ND is never going to win a big game on the road again? Sounds contradictory when the majority in here predicted 14-0 this season and if you didn't agree with that you're not a fan. Now people are on spin control because cbk botches the game. After the opening kick-off/fumble of the second half the team played almost flawlessly. If the idiot coach doesn't go for 2 @ 21-9 I believe ND wins in OT because the players ND has are better than CU's.

The fact of the matter is ND is 0-2 the last two years in the Clemson/FSU tilts and the one reason is terrible head coaching decisions. Kelly keeps getting in the way. Stop acting like you're some choir boy. You're blaming the players for the loss. It's not their fault. They played hard after being unprepared in the f2f first quarter.

When ND gets a better head coach we'll all be happier in here.

I get the idea it is players who make plays, or mistakes. However, Kelly seems to often go for the unorthodox move to prove how bright he is?? He has cost ND several games because of odd calls that come along every so often.

 

[twalsh]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Alabama.... The school that has dominated college football the last six years and rarely loses. I'm speechless. I guess some people will never run out of excuses. 8-4 is here to stay and the majority of people in here actually are fine with it. Sad how times have changed.

Thanks for making my point. Even Alabama isn't past a 5 turnover stinker of a game where they lose at home to a team that just got killed by Florida.

 

[twalsh]

So ND is never going to win a big game on the road again? Sounds contradictory when the majority in here predicted 14-0 this season and if you didn't agree with that you're not a fan. Now people are on spin control because cbk botches the game. After the opening kick-off/fumble of the second half the team played almost flawlessly. If the idiot coach doesn't go for 2 @ 21-9 I believe ND wins in OT because the players ND has are better than CU's.

The fact of the matter is ND is 0-2 the last two years in the Clemson/FSU tilts and the one reason is terrible head coaching decisions. Kelly keeps getting in the way. Stop acting like you're some choir boy. You're blaming the players for the loss. It's not their fault. They played hard after being unprepared in the f2f first quarter.

When ND gets a better head coach we'll all be happier in here.

It never is with some people, is it?

 

[perseverare]

Thanks for making my point. Even Alabama isn't past a 5 turnover stinker of a game where they lose at home to a team that just got killed by Florida.

twalsh

coming off a big win Ole Miss may
have had a letdown
and CF is a game of matchups and maybe this one was not a good one for them

I've seem Ole Miss and that is a vvvery good team. They have invested very well!

 

[twalsh]

twalsh

coming off a big win Ole Miss may
have had a letdown
and CF is a game of matchups and maybe this one was not a good one for them

I've seem Ole Miss and that is a vvvery good team. They have invested very well!

We will have some more games to see who the real Ole Miss is. LSU, Texas A&M and Miss State are all down the line for them.

 

[perseverare]

yep: LSU vs Ole Miss is special; ever since the Billy Cannon TD!

 

[cgvr]

Thanks for making my point. Even Alabama isn't past a 5 turnover stinker of a game where they lose at home to a team that just got killed by Florida.

ND is not in the same conversation as Alabama. I hope to be there, but it has been a long wait. We were so fortunate to witness ND in all its glory as students. That's the bar. Saban is a far superior coach and has the hardware to back it up. His losses are few and far between.... PS he has had some major in game errors. The returned field goal comes to mind. Mistakes like that are easier on the fan base when you are consistently in the national picture title hunt and winning titles.....

 

[twalsh]

ND is not in the same conversation as Alabama. I hope to be there, but it has been a long wait. We were so fortunate to witness ND in all its glory as students. That's the bar. Saban is a far superior coach and has the hardware to back it up. His losses are few and far between.... PS he has had some major in game errors. The returned field goal comes to mind. Mistakes like that are easier on the fan base when you are consistently in the national picture title hunt and winning titles.....

The better a program Alabama is, the stronger the point is. Nobody is immune to the occasional bad performance. So anyone who thought we were past ever having a game like Saturday is dreaming.

 

[cgvr]

The better a program Alabama is, the stronger the point is. Nobody is immune to the occasional bad performance. So anyone who thought we were past ever having a game like Saturday is dreaming.

You're spot on. Unfortunately, ours' happen with greater annual frequency. There's a lot to clean up for us to get back to elite status. Our first half versus umass, va, clemson..... are displaying a "below average" pattern of performance. We need to ramp things up. Convincingly sinking Navy and getting to see more of Wimbush would be a good start.
PS ot I am very disappointed in Russell's play to date.

 

[theskibro]

They were supposed to be past this by now, these Notre Dame coaches and players. This was supposed to be their year.

A defense starting 10 guys who entered Saturday with 11-plus starts to their names is not supposed to be shell-shocked on its first two drives.

A coach who has made questionable two-point decisions in the past is not supposed to be chasing points with 14 minutes left.

A team with 26 fourth- and fifth-year players is not supposed to come undone on its biggest stage, dropping a number of passes and losing three fumbles in the second half.

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/p...o-be-past-showings-like-saturdays-so-now-what

You are sadly mistaken if you think we should be past this stuff. Every year, there is one game - or more - that Kelly loses. Sure , their are other contributing factors but only Kelly can be directly pointed to for having lost about 7 games all on his own (meaning the team played good enough to win but Kelly made a stupid call lake the 2 pt on Saturday)
FSU Champs bowl, Clemson, Northeaster, Tulsa, USF, etc

Because of Kelly, we will always have a screw up

Also because of Kelly, the program is in the best shape since 1993 - so along with being competitive, we have to deal with at least one very bad game from our coach.

 

[perseverare]

The better a program Alabama is, the stronger the point is. Nobody is immune to the occasional bad performance. So anyone who thought we were past ever having a game like Saturday is dreaming.

Well, Lucky wasn't dreaming and he got bashed!

 

[kellyirish35]

You are sadly mistaken if you think we should be past this stuff. Every year, there is one game - or more - that Kelly loses. Sure , their are other contributing factors but only Kelly can be directly pointed to for having lost about 7 games all on his own (meaning the team played good enough to win but Kelly made a stupid call lake the 2 pt on Saturday)
FSU Champs bowl, Clemson, Northeaster, Tulsa, USF, etc

Because of Kelly, we will always have a screw up

Also because of Kelly, the program is in the best shape since 1993 - so along with being competitive, we have to deal with at least one very bad game from our coach.

Ski if Kelly loses a game who wins the other 9 - 12 etc

Players make plays players make mistakes --

To a large extent recruiting wins and loses games -- not one play call

Re Sat nite - clemson had one turnover ND had four which led to at least 10 pts

Please be specific with tangible knowledge , what did kelly do or not do that caused those fumbles ? Please be specific .

no emotional fantasy stuff -- what did kelly do that caused our guys to fumble four times ?

BTW if Kizer throws a decent ball to Robinson ( who was wide open - see play call ) the 2 pt conversion works and our final TD was a game winner -

What did Kelly do to cause Kizer to throw that pass to Robinson too high and hard ?

What did Kelly do that caused Robinson to drop the TD pass on the goal line ?

Please be specific with tangible proof of Kelly's influence on the outcome of these plays .

" Kelly loses games " cmon Ski your better than that .

Players Ski Players -- players win em players lose em

Coaches jobs are to position players to succeed through game plans - adjustments and recruiting if you didnt see that ND had opportunities on Sat nite to win that game then you weren't watching

 

[ch_seahawkfan]

miss MZ, but Kizer has a bigger up side,,, even this season. Don't count the Irish out.