Notre Dame ranked 2nd in transfer portal team rankings so far

[chaseball]

247 has a lot of tools to track the transfer portal mania happening in college football right now. ND is ranked 2nd with 5 commits in the 2024 transfer portal team rankings so far. Colorado is ranked #1

2024 Transfer Football Team Rankings

In order to create the most comprehensive Team Recruiting Ranking without any notion of bias, 247Sports Team Recruiting Ranking is solely based on the 247Sports Composite Rating.

247sports.com

 

[Golson5]

Colorado is trying to fix the worst OL in football by bringing in a bunch of average OL and a freshman OL and trying to get them all to gel in 9 months

Yikes, I feel bad for Shadeur

 

[christophero]

Back to the playoff next year? We should be top 10 preseason.

 

[sjb75]

Back to the playoff next year? We should be top 10 preseason.

Just win at TAM. Then go from there.

 

[deadirishpoet]

247 has a lot of tools to track the transfer portal mania happening in college football right now. ND is ranked 2nd with 5 commits in the 2024 transfer portal team rankings so far. Colorado is ranked #1

2024 Transfer Football Team Rankings

In order to create the most comprehensive Team Recruiting Ranking without any notion of bias, 247Sports Team Recruiting Ranking is solely based on the 247Sports Composite Rating.

247sports.com

Who needs high school's huh?
That's sarcasm

 

[Granite45]

247 has a lot of tools to track the transfer portal mania happening in college football right now. ND is ranked 2nd with 5 commits in the 2024 transfer portal team rankings so far. Colorado is ranked #1

2024 Transfer Football Team Rankings

In order to create the most comprehensive Team Recruiting Ranking without any notion of bias, 247Sports Team Recruiting Ranking is solely based on the 247Sports Composite Rating.

247sports.com

These rankigs mean nothing. Their rankings of players by position is a joke.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Colorado is trying to fix the worst OL in football by bringing in a bunch of average OL and a freshman OL and trying to get them all to gel in 9 months

Yikes, I feel bad for Shadeur

Colorado is going to exploit every aspect of the NIL/portal

 

[Golson5]

Colorado is going to exploit every aspect of the NIL/portal

They aren't doing it well

 

[deadirishpoet]

They aren't doing it well

I hope you're right

 

[SubwaydomerDFW]

They aren't doing it well

Neon Deion could bring in Alabama classes and wouldn't ever win 10 games.

He's a PR nightmare for the players. He draws too much attention to themselves with the garbage that flies from his mouth.

He's a PR homerun for ESPN, Boosters, and Sponsors. But he talks too damn much and out both sides of his mouth.

He plays the victim and the villain at the same time.

Sending your kid to play him is child abuse. He'll put a target on their back and when their ribs are broken and liver is lacerated he'll commend the opposing player who did it for apologizing so he can be seen as the "almighty" and all-forgiving.

****ing disgusting.

 

[chaseball]

These rankigs mean nothing. Their rankings of players by position is a joke.

Do you have a link to a system with better rankings to provide as an alternative?

 

[chaseball]

If you notice, across the board, transfer portal players on average have way lower ratings/lower upside than HS prospects that you recruit as freshman and develop in your system.

It's way more important to have an 85-man roster with as much high upside internally developed talent as possible, and then use the portal to fill holes with stopgap players/1 year rentals.

I think it's great for college football.

 

[SubwaydomerDFW]

If you notice, across the board, transfer portal players on average have way lower ratings/lower upside than HS prospects that you recruit as freshman and develop in your system. It's way more important to have an 85-man roster with as much high upside internally developed talent as possible, and then to fill holes with portal without major drop offs that we've seen programs have while breaking new players in. I think it's great for college football.

Are you sure Bellichick?

I think it's a good idea to have plenty of guys with experience especially in position groups where cohesiveness isn't dire like OL or DL or LB. These positions it's integral to know what the man next to you is doing. WR? You get your routes/reads called in and what the guard does is not much of your business.

Some skill guys who've seen a lot of ball are important to bring in especially when you're thin at certain groups.

 

[Golson5]

I hope you're right

Just follow it. You can see they aren't

 

[chaseball]

Are you sure Bellichick?

I think it's a good idea to have plenty of guys with experience especially in position groups where cohesiveness isn't dire like OL or DL or LB. These positions it's integral to know what the man next to you is doing. WR? You get your routes/reads called in and what the guard does is not much of your business.

Some skill guys who've seen a lot of ball are important to bring in especially when you're thin at certain groups.

If you want to beat the tier 1, you are not going to beat them with a roster full of limited upside 4th and 5th year portal guys. These tier 1 teams that top the team talent rankings every year are nowhere to be found on this transfer-portal-team-ranking. That alone should tell you something.

You need to have a foundation of high upside impact players that you've developed in your system for a number of years because you can't get these guys anywhere else. The transfer portal might have a star or two that slips through, but the All American/NFL prospect/college superstar types are largely locked in at their current schools, and not in the transfer portal.

 

[NCDomer1]

ND’s composite rating at 90 is the second highest in the top 20 and third in the top 30. Three of the top 5 are over 90 and the other two are close.
USC has two players one of which is a long snapper, but lost 11 to the portal.
The two Duke kids looked good on several outings that I witnessed.
Colorado did get a good one on the o-line, but they need a lot of help. You would think o lineman would flock to them.
Elko lost a 5 star lineman and a bunch of 4 star guys who did not give him a chance.

 

[4-4-3]

Neon Deion could bring in Alabama classes and wouldn't ever win 10 games.

He's a PR nightmare for the players. He draws too much attention to themselves with the garbage that flies from his mouth.

He's a PR homerun for ESPN, Boosters, and Sponsors. But he talks too damn much and out both sides of his mouth.

He plays the victim and the villain at the same time.

Sending your kid to play him is child abuse. He'll put a target on their back and when their ribs are broken and liver is lacerated he'll commend the opposing player who did it for apologizing so he can be seen as the "almighty" and all-forgiving.

****ing disgusting.

I don't like the guy either.

Find him TOTALLY DISINGENUOUS.

Not only does he see it all flowing FROM him but also BACK TO him.

That many find his routine APPEALING is TELLING.

But that's another story.

 

[SubwaydomerDFW]

If you want to beat the tier 1, you are not going to beat them with a roster full of limited upside 4th and 5th year portal guys. These tier 1 teams that top the team talent rankings every year are nowhere to be found on this transfer-portal-team-ranking. That alone should tell you something.

You need to have a foundation of high upside impact players that you've developed in your system for a number of years because you can't get these guys anywhere else. The transfer portal might have a star or two that slips through, but the All American/NFL prospect/college superstar types are largely locked in at their current schools, and not in the transfer portal.

You beat tier 1 with bigger meaner better dudes in the trenches and frisbee catching dogs and fundamental DB play.

How you get there won't matter and you're about to see CFB go through a metamorphosis. Sure Bama and UGA aren't relying on transfers because they're recruiting top 5 every year but they still bring guys in.

You're complaining about ND not being top 2 programs in the country not the portal or anything else. get over it. The portal and NIL is in it's infancy and this thing is going to get wilder and wilder every year.

 

[chaseball]

You beat tier 1 with bigger meaner better dudes in the trenches and frisbee catching dogs and fundamental DB play.

How you get there won't matter and you're about to see CFB go through a metamorphosis. Sure Bama and UGA aren't relying on transfers because they're recruiting top 5 every year but they still bring guys in.

You're complaining about ND not being top 2 programs in the country not the portal or anything else. get over it. The portal and NIL is in it's infancy and this thing is going to get wilder and wilder every year.

Taking transfer players means you are settling for lesser impact players in general. The impact players by and large stay put. For every 1 guy you get in the portal for 1 year of control, you are losing an opportunity to bring in a younger player with more upside and more years of control.

Doing well in the transfer portal team rankings is good when your team's roster is in desperate need of an injection of players, but can be bad in that it is stunting the future growth of your roster at the macro-level, and limiting your roster's upside for the upcoming season.

 

[SubwaydomerDFW]

Taking transfer players means you are settling for lesser impact players in general. The impact players by and large stay put. For every 1 guy you get in the portal for 1 year of control, you are losing an opportunity to bring in a younger player with more upside and more years of control.

Doing well in the transfer portal team rankings is good when your team's roster is in desperate need of an injection of players, but can be bad in that it is stunting the growth of your roster at the macro-level, and limiting your roster's upside.

So would you agree that when you have players leave in mass exodus the transfer portal can be a good thing?

Conversely when you go to the portal because your players aren't good enough (QB) that can be a bad thing?

Your blanket statement applies only partially in ND's instance.

At the end of the day a head coach is never going to apologize for bringing in guys who are better and ready to play right now versus trying to develop from within.

Our HC is 2 years in a program with that doesn't have his mold or stamp on the roster yet, so criticizing him for trying to plug gaps that are existent for reasons beyond is control is unfair.

IMO

 

[1Redrum]

I do not believe the transfer rankings take into account Juko players....something teams like Alabama do very well at.

 

[chaseball]

I do not believe the transfer rankings take into account Juko players....something teams like Alabama do very well at.

Good point. Not sure if this ranking includes JUCO transfers at all. The cool thing about the team talent composite ranking at 247sports is it takes the entirety of the 85-man roster into account and ultimately keeps score of who is retaining/netting the most talent on aggregate throughout the season

Notre Dame's 85 man roster is ranked 11th in talent as of 9/18/2023 (the next update that takes this most recent transfer portal season into account will be very telling)

2023 College Football Team Talent Composite

In order to create the most comprehensive Team Recruiting Ranking without any notion of bias, 247Sports Team Recruiting Ranking is solely based on the 247Sports Composite Rating.

247sports.com

 

[Golson5]

Taking transfer players means you are settling for lesser impact players in general. The impact players by and large stay put. For every 1 guy you get in the portal for 1 year of control, you are losing an opportunity to bring in a younger player with more upside and more years of control.

Doing well in the transfer portal team rankings is good when your team's roster is in desperate need of an injection of players, but can be bad in that it is stunting the future growth of your roster at the macro-level, and limiting your roster's upside for the upcoming season.

What we are doing os the best and exact way top teams should be doing it

Recruiting well and developing most of your roster while supplementing with the portal to fill certain needs in your roster with good talented players

78 - recruits
7 - portal players

Thats what it looks like we will be by fall. Somewhere in that range.

Very good job by the staff on this

 

[chaseball]

What we are doing os the best and exact way top teams should be doing it

Recruiting well and developing most of your roster while supplementing with the portal to fill certain needs in your roster with good talented players

78 - recruits
7 - portal players

Thats what it looks like we will be by fall. Somewhere in that range.

Very good job by the staff on this

Putting aside that your numbers are probably majorly incorrect since ND largely struggles to recruit a full 85 man roster from year to year, you are leaving the most important factor out: the quality of those players. And in that regard, ND is getting beat by 10 other schools as of 9/18/2023 and anywhere from 10-15 schools on aggregate over the last 15 years. And ultimately this level of talent isn't good enough when only 1 school holds up a national title at the end of the year.

 

[Golson5]

Putting aside that your numbers are probably majorly incorrect since ND largely struggles to recruit a full 85 man roster with 85-recruited scholarship players from year to year, you are leaving the most important factor out: the quality of those players. And in that regard, ND is getting beat by 10 other schools as of 9/18/2023 and anywhere from 10-15th schools on aggregate over the last 15 years. And ultimately, it isn't good enough when only 1 school holds up a national title at the end of the year.

We had 83 or so scholarship players this season. The number is accurate and so is where we will be in the portal give or take

75 to 79 scholarship players
6 to 8 transfer players

If you want be silly and so technical with it

The quality as of that date was 10th in overall team ranking and between 5th to 7th in terms of per player average

Very good on both counts. Not quite in that top 3 level with Bama Georgia and OSU. But very good and good enough to compete with anyone if the coaching staff develops properly

Develop the roster and get the right QB and you can compete for a NC. Like Michigan, FSU, Washington and Texas are doing right now

 

[chaseball]

How many more years of 10-15th monotony at ND do you need to see before you realize that the program's upside is entirely capped by its level of talent?

If ND brings in 10-15th, 2nd-3rd tier talent on aggregate, they are going to get 10-15th, 2nd-3rd tier results on aggregate. This isn't a coincidence, this has been the case for 15 years in a row now at Notre Dame.

How many more yearly examples do you need to see of ND entering the year with 10-15th ranked talent and finishing with 10-15th ranked results (multiple tiers away from the top) before you make the connection?

 

[BGI User 756]

How many more years of 10-15th monotony at ND do you need to see before you realize that the program's upside is entirely capped by its level of talent?

If ND brings in 10-15th, 2nd-3rd tier talent on aggregate, they are going to get 10-15th, 2nd-3rd tier results on aggregate. This isn't a coincidence, this has been the case for 15 years in a row now at Notre Dame.

How many more yearly examples do you need to see of ND entering the year with 10-15th ranked talent and finishing with 10-15th ranked results (multiple tiers away from the top) before you make the connection?

Lol

Explain Prime Time

 

[chaseball]

Notre Dame's 85 man roster is ranked 11th as of 9/18/23 (this takes into account all talent on the roster). Not 7th, not splitting the information in a way that is most favorable to ND, but objectively 11th. ND is ranked 10th in F+ final regular season ranking for the 2023 season to match.

Could you imagine how much better NDs season would have been this year had they had Texas' #6th talent for instance? Or even more ambitiously, had they had Texas A&Ms #4 talent, with 10 five star players on the roster? lol

ND is not even playing in the major leagues right now. Don't turn your head away from it and try to wish it away. Acknowledge it and find a way to organizationally improve past it.

Marcus Freeman's job is to put together the best 85 man roster in existence. Other organizations admins are assisting the HC in removing barriers to that goal, while the ND admins in comparison are seemingly poking at Marcus Freeman's eyeballs while he's trying to make the game winning shot.

 

[mrwigglesby21]

I like what we are doing in the portal this year. Freeman pulls out a 10-2 or 11-1 regular season with a playoff victory we will see a few more of those top 75 players fall our way. The fact Pyne and Buchner are coming back to campus says quite a bit about the university and the way the coaches/players handled the transfer. The program feels like it's in a good spot right now.

 

[chaseball]

I like what we are doing in the portal this year. Freeman pulls out a 10-2 or 11-1 regular season with a playoff victory we will see a few more of those top 75 players fall our way. The fact Pyne and Buchner are coming back to campus says quite a bit about the university and the way the coaches/players handled the transfer. The program feels like it's in a good spot right now.

The program is in a good spot if you are ok with being a mid-teen ranked team indefinitely. Problem with mid-teen ranked teams though is that they don't compete for national titles in any realistic way.

We need a HUGE injection of talent into the organization just to compete at the lowest rung for national titles right now and it's a very large gap that the ND program has made zero progress on in the last 15 years.

 

[bizzybecknd]

How many more years of 10-15th monotony at ND do you need to see before you realize that the program's upside is entirely capped by its level of talent?

If ND brings in 10-15th, 2nd-3rd tier talent on aggregate, they are going to get 10-15th, 2nd-3rd tier results on aggregate. This isn't a coincidence, this has been the case for 15 years in a row now at Notre Dame.

How many more yearly examples do you need to see of ND entering the year with 10-15th ranked talent and finishing with 10-15th ranked results (multiple tiers away from the top) before you make the connection?

Thought you called Michigan elite? ND has curb stopped them in recruiting rankings the last 5-7 years…

 

[chaseball]

Thought you called Michigan elite? ND has curb stopped them in recruiting rankings the last 5-7 years…

Does Notre Dame have a future HoF head coach like Jim Harbaugh? There's no other explanation (other than possibly the cheating scandal) as to why this Michigan team has been so dominant in F+ (firmly entrenched in the #1 spot since mid-season) while having the 14th ranked talent in the country. These are unheard of (outlier) results and Harbaugh has been one of a very few coaches to compete at the highest level without the talent to match and I think he deserves a tremendous amount of credit for the job he's been doing there post covid era.

 

[deadirishpoet]

I do not believe the transfer rankings take into account Juko players....something teams like Alabama do very well at.

Some teams like Alabama have that luxury

 

[deadirishpoet]

How many more years of 10-15th monotony at ND do you need to see before you realize that the program's upside is entirely capped by its level of talent?

If ND brings in 10-15th, 2nd-3rd tier talent on aggregate, they are going to get 10-15th, 2nd-3rd tier results on aggregate. This isn't a coincidence, this has been the case for 15 years in a row now at Notre Dame.

How many more yearly examples do you need to see of ND entering the year with 10-15th ranked talent and finishing with 10-15th ranked results (multiple tiers away from the top) before you make the connection?

the recruiting has picked up

 

[bizzybecknd]

Does Notre Dame have a future HoF head coach like Jim Harbaugh? There's no other explanation (other than possibly the cheating scandal) as to why this Michigan team has been so dominant in F+ (firmly entrenched in the #1 spot since mid-season) while having the 14th ranked talent in the country. These are unheard of (outlier) results and Harbaugh has been one of a very few coaches to compete at the highest level without the talent to match and I think he deserves a tremendous amount of credit for the job he's been doing there post covid era.

He lost an average of 3.6 games his first 6 years at Michigan..in a garbage conference. Beat by 23 in his 1st playoff, exposed by a mediocre TCU team in his second. They’re not elite..and if they are, proves you can do without recruiting in the Top 10. What else you got?

But for the 17th year consecutively, and on a monthly cadence- here you are.. ND is not going to consistently recruit at the level you think they should. We will need to be the outlier.

 

[chaseball]

He lost an average of 3.6 games his first 6 years at Michigan..in a garbage conference. Beat by 23 in his 1st playoff, exposed by a mediocre TCU team in his second. They’re not elite..and if they are, proves you can do without recruiting in the Top 10. What else you got?

But for the 17th year consecutively, and on a monthly cadence- here you are.. ND is not going to consistently recruit at the level you think they should. We will need to be the outlier.

So a future HoF coach in his prime is producing #1 seasons with 14th ranked talent (and the only coach and organization doing it or has done it in the last 20 years) is what Notre Dame needs to replicate?

Why can't we just use our coffers stuffed full of cash and do it the realistic way that everybody else does it? By investing and taking a lot of expensive chances and risks with the ultimate goal of increasing the quality of the product.

 

[chaseball]

When Michigan fired the last coach, and yanked Harbaugh back to college with an unheard of (at the time) 5yr/$25M contract it ultimately paid off.

Who is Notre Dame's Jim Harbaugh waiting to be snatched up with a record breaking deal? And for that matter, when is the last time ND broke any records in relation to paying for anything?

 

[BGI User 1596]

When Michigan fired the last coach, and yanked Harbaugh back to college with an unheard of (at the time) 5yr/$25M contract it ultimately paid off.

Who is Notre Dame's Jim Harbaugh waiting to be snatched up with a record breaking deal? And for that matter, when is the last time ND broke any records in relation to paying for anything?

Weis fleeced them!

 

[Pennick4]

Colorado is going to exploit every aspect of the NIL/portal

I noticed Coach P has lost a bunch of coaches. They seem to be bailing after only 1 season.

 

[Golson5]

Notre Dame's 85 man roster is ranked 11th as of 9/18/23 (this takes into account all talent on the roster). Not 7th, not splitting the information in a way that is most favorable to ND, but objectively 11th. ND is ranked 10th in F+ final regular season ranking for the 2023 season to match.

Could you imagine how much better NDs season would have been this year had they had Texas' #6th talent for instance? Or even more ambitiously, had they had Texas A&Ms #4 talent, with 10 five star players on the roster? lol

ND is not even playing in the major leagues right now. Don't turn your head away from it and try to wish it away. Acknowledge it and find a way to organizationally improve past it.

Marcus Freeman's job is to put together the best 85 man roster in existence. Other organizations admins are assisting the HC in removing barriers to that goal, while the ND admins in comparison are seemingly poking at Marcus Freeman's eyeballs while he's trying to make the game winning shot.

Yeah because Texas am played great this year with that talent

In terms of talent we are in the 5 to 10 range. Very good talent, not elite, yet