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The best guy should play. They should split reps in the spring and both play the most in the spring game. I would be very surprised if Hartman doesn’t take Tyler to the woodshed in all phases besides downhill running in practice and games. Tyler does nothing else better than Hartman. His arm is weaker. He’s not as accurate. He has less experience. He only does 1 thing better otherwise it’s not even close.

Whoever it is, our receiver room is disappointing and may hold us back. Sadly I could see a scenario where the receivers force Buchner on the field for a change of pace and we run Tyler 12 times a game. Regardless, if Carr signs with ND I cannot fathom a scenario where Buchner plays an entire season over those two without being injured and ever returning. Barring major improvement in arm strength, accuracy, and durability, once Carr or Minchey get a start and we all see how talented they are, Buchner is done.

I am rooting to be wrong on Buchner. I like him. He seems like a down to earth and quality dude. My guess is if the staff convinced him to come back, he will start game 1 in 2024. After that, who knows. I just hope we are done taking transfers. If not, I question Freemans future.

I personally doubt it matters too much who starts as I do not believe we have a team capable of beating Bama or Georgia. That said, I think Hartman gives us the best chance vs Ohio State and I want to win that game. If that’s the best thing we get out of next season by having Hartman, it was worth it to me.
The best guy should play. They should split reps in the spring and both play the most in the spring game. I would be very surprised if Hartman doesn’t take Tyler to the woodshed in all phases besides downhill running in practice and games. Tyler does nothing else better than Hartman. His arm is weaker. He’s not as accurate. He has less experience. He only does 1 thing better otherwise it’s not even close.
Even with Buchner's running it's still not even close. Like miles and miles apart. The worst part about Buchner and it's really glaring because only he can change it is the pre-snap mind made up on where he's throwing it.
He does this on almost every snap. Most times he gets away with it because of the passing offense we've run the last 10 years or so. Three yard curl and sit routes are hard to intercept but it happens.
Anyways this is the worst of the worst with Buchner because he's the only one who can change it. Guess what...he hasn't changed it in the 10 or so real football years he's played so far...odds are it's not ever changing.



Whoever it is, our receiver room is disappointing and may hold us back. Sadly I could see a scenario where the receivers force Buchner on the field for a change of pace and we run Tyler 12 times a game. Regardless, if Carr signs with ND I cannot fathom a scenario where Buchner plays an entire season over those two without being injured and ever returning. Barring major improvement in arm strength, accuracy, and durability, once Carr or Minchey get a start and we all see how talented they are, Buchner is done.
The receivers ...
I want to agree with this...but really now we've no idea. It's hard to get a gauge on the talent when the QB's can't seem to throw it further than 37 yards and or hit the target in stride.
If we still suck on the perimeter with Hartman throwing then yes, I completely agree.


I am rooting to be wrong on Buchner. I like him. He seems like a down to earth and quality dude. My guess is if the staff convinced him to come back, he will start game 1 in 2024. After that, who knows. I just hope we are done taking transfers. If not, I question Freemans future.
I don't think they convinced him but rather where was he going to go? Pyne already bailed. He had beat out Pyne (only the mobility gave thr edge) and with Pyne now gone it should be "his position"
Right up until the staff said....paging Mr. Hartman. Paging Mr. Hartman

or.....
They kissed ass because if the Hartman thing fell apart they didn't want to turn to zero experience at the QB position.


I personally doubt it matters too much who starts as I do not believe we have a team capable of beating Bama or Georgia. That said, I think Hartman gives us the best chance vs Ohio State and I want to win that game. If that’s the best thing we get out of next season by having Hartman, it was worth it to me
Never know. What if our receivers aren't quite as inept as perceived.
Remember the receivers can't do one damn thing until the ball is thrown to them. No pass attempt to them no play to make. Ball not thrown in perfect position no catch in stride to run for big gain.
No long passes to show off our jumping ability and ball skills.
Make no mistake Hartman will toss it around all over the place. We'll know how good we are or aren't



Here's to finally seeing a real bona-fide decent thrower of the pig skin.
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No...you can't make someone who is NOT accurate become a pin point precise passer.

You can polish accuracy. You can't make someone accurate who is not.

I'm not sure what part here you don't understand.


Moreover if what you said were true then there wouldn't be a dire need and Chinese fire drill getting QB's out of high school.

Hell teams would just make a QB.
We can just teach them to do everything....right? According to your logic we can just take one of our tight ends and make them a QB.
Height? Check
Durability? Check
Smart? Most are! Check
Pppffftt...the throwing?
We'll just make them good passers. No worries.

Sorry but it doesn't work like that.


Just like you can't make someone fast.
You can polish that speed to make them fastER but nobody can take someone slow and make them fast.
You dont have to have pinpoint accuracy to be a great successful college QB.

So I stopped reading after that.

Your point therfore makes zero sense

Brady Quinn, Tim Tebow, Cam Newton, Justin Fields etc etc

I put about 15 college qbs who previously struggled with accuracy that became very accurate later in their careers.

Heisman trophy winners, national championship qbs, first rd picks

Your point is trash
 
You dont have to have pinpoint accuracy to be a great successful college QB.

So I stopped reading after that.

Your point therfore makes zero sense

Brady Quinn, Tim Tebow, Cam Newton, Justin Fields etc etc

I put about 15 college qbs who previously struggled with accuracy that became very accurate later in their careers.

Heisman trophy winners, national championship qbs, first rd picks

Your point is trash
The jury is out on Buchners upside. It’s not out on Hartmans. While I don’t want to get a transfer every year, you don’t get a transfer as good as Hartman every year, especially when you have an offense as talented as ours. Yes, we need to start developing our own (hopefully Gino will help more than Rees), but I agree with freeman that Hartman will make the entire room and team better. One year rental and 11-1 or 12-0 is better than learning g curve 9-3 or 8-4.
 
The jury is out on Buchners upside. It’s not out on Hartmans. While I don’t want to get a transfer every year, you don’t get a transfer as good as Hartman every year, especially when you have an offense as talented as ours. Yes, we need to start developing our own (hopefully Gino will help more than Rees), but I agree with freeman that Hartman will make the entire room and team better. One year rental and 11-1 or 12-0 is better than learning g curve 9-3 or 8-4.
If they dont let Buchner play this year we'll be in the same problem next season. Year after year problem

Hartman isnt a Williams so I wouldn't waste a year of development
 
The jury is out on Buchners upside. It’s not out on Hartmans. While I don’t want to get a transfer every year, you don’t get a transfer as good as Hartman every year, especially when you have an offense as talented as ours. Yes, we need to start developing our own (hopefully Gino will help more than Rees), but I agree with freeman that Hartman will make the entire room and team better. One year rental and 11-1 or 12-0 is better than learning g curve 9-3 or 8-4.
So what's going to be your excuse if Hartman doesn't produce with this talented offense?
 
If they dont let Buchner play this year we'll be in the same problem next season. Year after year problem

Hartman isnt a Williams so I wouldn't waste a year of development
"If they don't let Buchner play this year we'll be in the same problem next season"

Totally agree!

Question is -- when? Meaning, does he have a carved out niche/package for him? Will he be trusted to throw the ball around? will he be used more in the run game vs the passing game? What about Hartman? If he is having success, do you take him out for a series/2 and get Buchner in?
 
You dont have to have pinpoint accuracy to be a great successful college QB.

So I stopped reading after that.

Your point therfore makes zero sense

Brady Quinn, Tim Tebow, Cam Newton, Justin Fields etc etc

I put about 15 college qbs who previously struggled with accuracy that became very accurate later in their careers.

Heisman trophy winners, national championship qbs, first rd picks

Your point is trash
Again you're posting armed with Xbox knowledge of the game.

You have to be an accurate passer and then YES...you can become more accurate with polish.
If, however, you aren't accurate to begin with you don't suddenly become accurate with coaching.

It's unbelievable just how ridiculously long you will beat a drum of wrong information.

Christ sake if it were only that easy perhaps we'd have....You'd think by now....a really good QB of the last 10 years because...you know...we'll just make a damn QB via coaching.

Let's play the Golson5 game of making a QB more accurate.
Brandon Wimbush played in 20 games for us...
Starting 16 of those 20.

One of two things happened...
Either Brandon couldn't be made accurate through coaching or....
Brian Kelly, who's sword you leaped on repeatedly promoting and defending to the very end...was the dumbest coach in the hostiry of coaching because he never realized you can just coach the accuracy into Brandon Wimbush.

YOU CAN'T MAKE SOMEONE ACCURATE WHO ISN'T!

You can't make someone have a strong arm..
You can't make someone fast ...
You can't make someone jump...

You can polish those things and add to an already given gifted ability but you can't coach people into certain things. Mother Nature is the only coach who can.

If you want more of the same terrified to fail offense well Buchner can accomplish that. I'm betting if they allowed using Nerf footballs even you could succeed throwinh the 3 yard curl and sit route.

If you'd like to reach a little higher we need a QB to hit receivers in stride down field picking up big chunks of yardage.

I'm hoping for option #2
 
Again you're posting armed with Xbox knowledge of the game.

You have to be an accurate passer and then YES...you can become more accurate with polish.
If, however, you aren't accurate to begin with you don't suddenly become accurate with coaching.

It's unbelievable just how ridiculously long you will beat a drum of wrong information.

Christ sake if it were only that easy perhaps we'd have....You'd think by now....a really good QB of the last 10 years because...you know...we'll just make a damn QB via coaching.

Let's play the Golson5 game of making a QB more accurate.
Brandon Wimbush played in 20 games for us...
Starting 16 of those 20.

One of two things happened...
Either Brandon couldn't be made accurate through coaching or....
Brian Kelly, who's sword you leaped on repeatedly promoting and defending to the very end...was the dumbest coach in the hostiry of coaching because he never realized you can just coach the accuracy into Brandon Wimbush.

YOU CAN'T MAKE SOMEONE ACCURATE WHO ISN'T!

You can't make someone have a strong arm..
You can't make someone fast ...
You can't make someone jump...

You can polish those things and add to an already given gifted ability but you can't coach people into certain things. Mother Nature is the only coach who can.

If you want more of the same terrified to fail offense well Buchner can accomplish that. I'm betting if they allowed using Nerf footballs even you could succeed throwinh the 3 yard curl and sit route.

If you'd like to reach a little higher we need a QB to hit receivers in stride down field picking up big chunks of yardage.

I'm hoping for option #2
Dude, take your bullshit somewhere else. Your act is old.

We get it. You don't approve of Tyler Buchner's skill set.

"It's not the critic who counts..." Roosevelt was correct decades ago, and it resonates today..
 
Again you're posting armed with Xbox knowledge of the game.

You have to be an accurate passer and then YES...you can become more accurate with polish.
If, however, you aren't accurate to begin with you don't suddenly become accurate with coaching.

It's unbelievable just how ridiculously long you will beat a drum of wrong information.

Christ sake if it were only that easy perhaps we'd have....You'd think by now....a really good QB of the last 10 years because...you know...we'll just make a damn QB via coaching.

Let's play the Golson5 game of making a QB more accurate.
Brandon Wimbush played in 20 games for us...
Starting 16 of those 20.

One of two things happened...
Either Brandon couldn't be made accurate through coaching or....
Brian Kelly, who's sword you leaped on repeatedly promoting and defending to the very end...was the dumbest coach in the hostiry of coaching because he never realized you can just coach the accuracy into Brandon Wimbush.

YOU CAN'T MAKE SOMEONE ACCURATE WHO ISN'T!

You can't make someone have a strong arm..
You can't make someone fast ...
You can't make someone jump...

You can polish those things and add to an already given gifted ability but you can't coach people into certain things. Mother Nature is the only coach who can.

If you want more of the same terrified to fail offense well Buchner can accomplish that. I'm betting if they allowed using Nerf footballs even you could succeed throwinh the 3 yard curl and sit route.

If you'd like to reach a little higher we need a QB to hit receivers in stride down field picking up big chunks of yardage.

I'm hoping for option #2
You can improve a players accuracy over his career. I've given about 15 clear examples of it

You dont need pinpoint accuracy.

Brady Quinn

Yr 1 47.3
Yr 2 54.1
Yr 3. 64.9
Yr 4. 61.9

Improved accuracy dramatically

Philip Rivers

Y1 53.7
Y4 72

Improved dramatically

Kyler Murray

Y1 59.7
Y3 69

Another one

Vince Young

Y1. 58.7
Y3. 65.2

I can give example after example after example
 
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Dude, take your bullshit somewhere else. Your act is old.

We get it. You don't approve of Tyler Buchner's skill set.

"It's not the critic who counts..." Roosevelt was correct decades ago, and it resonates today..
Buchner will be the critic. Hartman will be the man in the arena. So you’re right.
 
Again you're posting armed with Xbox knowledge of the game.

You have to be an accurate passer and then YES...you can become more accurate with polish.
If, however, you aren't accurate to begin with you don't suddenly become accurate with coaching.

It's unbelievable just how ridiculously long you will beat a drum of wrong information.

Christ sake if it were only that easy perhaps we'd have....You'd think by now....a really good QB of the last 10 years because...you know...we'll just make a damn QB via coaching.

Let's play the Golson5 game of making a QB more accurate.
Brandon Wimbush played in 20 games for us...
Starting 16 of those 20.

One of two things happened...
Either Brandon couldn't be made accurate through coaching or....
Brian Kelly, who's sword you leaped on repeatedly promoting and defending to the very end...was the dumbest coach in the hostiry of coaching because he never realized you can just coach the accuracy into Brandon Wimbush.

YOU CAN'T MAKE SOMEONE ACCURATE WHO ISN'T!

You can't make someone have a strong arm..
You can't make someone fast ...
You can't make someone jump...

You can polish those things and add to an already given gifted ability but you can't coach people into certain things. Mother Nature is the only coach who can

If you want more of the same terrified to fail offense well Buchner can accomplish that. I'm betting if they allowed using Nerf footballs even you could succeed throwinh the 3 yard curl and sit route.

If you'd like to reach a little higher we need a QB to hit receivers in stride down field picking up big chunks of yardage.

I'm hoping for option #2
More non sense
 
Again you're posting armed with Xbox knowledge of the game.

You have to be an accurate passer and then YES...you can become more accurate with polish.
If, however, you aren't accurate to begin with you don't suddenly become accurate with coaching.

It's unbelievable just how ridiculously long you will beat a drum of wrong information.

Christ sake if it were only that easy perhaps we'd have....You'd think by now....a really good QB of the last 10 years because...you know...we'll just make a damn QB via coaching.

Let's play the Golson5 game of making a QB more accurate.
Brandon Wimbush played in 20 games for us...
Starting 16 of those 20.

One of two things happened...
Either Brandon couldn't be made accurate through coaching or....
Brian Kelly, who's sword you leaped on repeatedly promoting and defending to the very end...was the dumbest coach in the hostiry of coaching because he never realized you can just coach the accuracy into Brandon Wimbush.

YOU CAN'T MAKE SOMEONE ACCURATE WHO ISN'T!

You can't make someone have a strong arm..
You can't make someone fast ...
You can't make someone jump...

You can polish those things and add to an already given gifted ability but you can't coach people into certain things. Mother Nature is the only coach who can.

If you want more of the same terrified to fail offense well Buchner can accomplish that. I'm betting if they allowed using Nerf footballs even you could succeed throwinh the 3 yard curl and sit route.

If you'd like to reach a little higher we need a QB to hit receivers in stride down field picking up big chunks of yardage.

I'm hoping for option #2
Ha ha ha, mother nature
 
If they dont let Buchner play this year we'll be in the same problem next season. Year after year problem

Hartman isnt a Williams so I wouldn't waste a year of development
Many teams will deal with this issue. Look at Texas. Wisconsin just has 3 really good Qbs. OSU usually has 2-3. There will be quality portal QBs because of available playing time at schools each year. Not saying that continually getting portal QBs is an objective but it is there as a fill in need for a season if necessary for several teams. Hopefully ND will be past that need.
 
If they dont let Buchner play this year we'll be in the same problem next season. Year after year problem

Hartman isnt a Williams so I wouldn't waste a year of development
I wouldn’t waste a year developing. Different perspective. freeman agrees with the Hartman fans. We shall see what was right. I think it’s just a perspective difference.
 
More non sense
Oh so Brandon Wimbush was an accurate passer then achieved by individual coaching.

My bad.

You can keep living in fantasy land all you want but over here in reality borough we have a QB that will only ever be so accurate...have a weak arm...and continue to make throwing decisions pre- snap.

Hence....

Mr. Hartman is here.
 
You dont have to have pinpoint accuracy to be a great successful college QB.

So I stopped reading after that.

Your point therfore makes zero sense

Brady Quinn, Tim Tebow, Cam Newton, Justin Fields etc etc

I put about 15 college qbs who previously struggled with accuracy that became very accurate later in their careers.

Heisman trophy winners, national championship qbs, first rd picks

Your point is trash
I am surprised you read anything of what that clown writes.
 
There are a number of factors that affect accuracy beyond the arm

Footwork

ability to scan the field and find someone OPEN

just making the right decision on who to throw to

Many QBs have had their throwing motion adjusted by coaching as well

so it is certainly POSSIBLE to become a lot more accurate.

BUT it does not happen all the time; and accurate ENOUGH is always the question

TB has been around long enough to have had those problems addressed and yet I do not see any real improvement.
 
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