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No Way Oklahoma Is Ranked Ahead of ND!!!

They dont give extra points for more wins over Big10 also rans. ND will have victories over 2 conf champs and a 2pt loss to another. ND will still have the best SOS. If being undefeated in the Big10 meant that much Iowa would be ranked ahead of Bama and ND already.
And the extra win means nothing? I guess will will just have to wait and see.
 
They dont give extra points for more wins over Big10 also rans. ND will have victories over 2 conf champs and a 2pt loss to another. ND will still have the best SOS. If being undefeated in the Big10 meant that much Iowa would be ranked ahead of Bama and ND already.
Do they get extra points for having an extra win. Iowa isn't ranked ahead of ND yet because they haven't played their extra game or beaten Michigan State yet. But if you think a 13-0 Iowa or a 12-1 Michigan State team that is 12-1 which beat OSU, Michigan and Iowa would be in before an 11-1 ND, I guess we will have to wait and see.
 
Some things we know. the SEC will have a team. If Clemson wins out they are in. IN Michigan State and Iowa win next week the championship winner will be in. The Pac-12 is out. So it should come down to the Big 12 verse ND. the Big 12 has no championship game so each team will play the same number of games. Wit Stanford loss to Oregon and the blow to ND's SOS based on Oregon beating SC, I think if Oklahoma wins out they are in. Partly because the committee won't want to leave the Big 12 out two years in a row. Just IMO
If FSU beats Florida and Florida beats Bama, the SEC is out. The SEC could even be out if Florida beats FSU and Bama, based on Florida's recent games with Vandy and FAU.
 
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An undefeated P5 Champ will not be left out....

Yes. Similar to how ND was undefeated and ranked number one and matched against Alabama. You could easily argue that the Irish were not one of the two best teams, but you couldn't argue they did not deserve to be in the championship game.
 
Wrong

a quality win will always trump a quality lose as it should as always has been.

The only time a quality lose plays a factor is when both teams have the same amount quality wins.

If OU wins next week they will ensure a place in the play offs. Their last three games will match anothers in CFB, and three victories in a row at the end of the season will be fresh in the commities eyes.

Now that OSU is out then as long as ND wins who could possibly jump them?
you're missing the point. all games will be given the same scrutiny. wins and losses are analyzed with many factors in the mix.
 
If FSU beats Florida and Florida beats Bama, the SEC is out. The SEC could even be out if Florida beats FSU and Bama, based on Florida's recent games with Vandy and FAU.
You are probably right. With the SEC bias I always assume they will have a representative. With ESPN touting them and all.
 
Well it looks like the experts are generally on concurrence with Oklahoma in the fourth spot. Nearly all expert projections show that. But they also show nD in the fiesta bowl against a big ten team which should be interesting.
 
The committee is smart enough to know that Stanford is a better football team than either Baylor/TCU. An Irish win over them is a great win. Further, the reason ND is currently in the top 4 is because the committee obviously gives a ton of value to the Irish loss to Clemson. If Notre Dame wins Saturday, they are in. I don't really think it's that questionable.
 
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The committee is smart enough to know that Stanford is a better football team than either Baylor/TCU. An Irish win over them is a great win. Further, the reason ND is currently in the top 4 is because the committee obviously gives a ton of value to the Irish loss to Clemson. If Notre Dame wins Saturday, they are in. I don't really think it's that questionable.

Did you watch TCU come back on the road vs Oklahoma? All the while the Frogs were missing their Heisman candidate? Stanford is a solid team but I don't thing you can say TCU is not in the same ballpark.
 
Some things we know. the SEC will have a team. If Clemson wins out they are in. IN Michigan State and Iowa win next week the championship winner will be in. The Pac-12 is out. So it should come down to the Big 12 verse ND. the Big 12 has no championship game so each team will play the same number of games. Wit Stanford loss to Oregon and the blow to ND's SOS based on Oregon beating SC, I think if Oklahoma wins out they are in. Partly because the committee won't want to leave the Big 12 out two years in a row. Just IMO
Okla wont get around the loss to Texas vs Texas losing to ND by 35 . Okla is hosed as a result of that scenario . White elephant in the living room for Okla .
 
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Okla wont get around the loss to Texas vs Texas losing to ND by 35 . Okla is hosed as a result of that scenario . White elephant in the living room for Okla .

Maybe. But aside from ND's loss being superior to OU's loss, the Sooner's best win is better than ND's best win. Same goes for the second best win. Same goes for the third. Also, despite having the same record, Oklahoma would be a conference champion which is something the committee values.
 
By season's end your point will probably be mute schad (that is if ND beats Stanford).
Let's say ND beats Stanford. ND's best win may be a 10-12 ranked one-loss Navy that beat Memphis that beat Ole Miss. Second best a 16 ranked Stanford that could very well win the PAC12, third best a 20-25 ranked Temple that smashed middle-of-the-road BIG Penn St., or a 20-25 ranked Pit.
OU's best a win over one-loss top ten Baylor without its starting qb, second best a win over two-loss Oklahoma State, third best over a three to four loss TCU.
Throw in their loss to a not-so-good Texas team that ND smacked around pretty good, and it is hard to say that Oklahoma is somehow superior to ND.
 
Maybe. But aside from ND's loss being superior to OU's loss, the Sooner's best win is better than ND's best win. Same goes for the second best win. Same goes for the third. Also, despite having the same record, Oklahoma would be a conference champion which is something the committee values.
disagree. I don't think any of the teams okla has beat is any better than usc. big 12 fatten their records on out of conference creampuffs. I think they're all slightly above average. with Oklahoma the best of the bunch. they are the only who plays even a semblance of defense and should have lost Saturday had Patterson not had a bout of temporary insanity.
 
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And a bad BC hung in there with ND. OU's lose with not carry as much weight if they beat OKST

Wrong

a quality win will always trump a quality loseas it should as always has been.

The only time a quality lose plays a factor is when both teams have the same amount quality wins.

Oh

So morons are those whob put more value in a quality win over a quality lose

I get it thanks.

Let the irony sink in, folks.

Also, it seems like you almost DON'T want ND to get in the playoffs, so that you can bag on Kelly.
 
Let the irony sink in, folks.

Also, it seems like you almost DON'T want ND to get in the playoffs, so that you can bag on Kelly.
Let the irony sink in, folks.

Also, it seems like you almost DON'T want ND to get in the playoffs, so that you can bag on Kelly.

Your ignorance is astounding.

I have made several positive comments bout coach Kelly yet you refuse to acknowledge them.

Bang on me all you want just try to be fair though that will deflate the narrative you've been trying to push for months.

Please point out were I have bagged on Kelly lately aside from the red zone woes which you obviously have no problem with
 
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Why don't we have this discussion next week? Both OU and Irish have tough games coming up and if one loses the debate is academic. Even an OU fan like me would admit if both win, all else being equal, the Texas result would tip the scales to the Irish. But I am not sure all the other variables (quality of opponents, opponents W-L records, margin of victory, etc.) are equal. A topic for next week if both win.
 
Oklahoma would beat us if we played them today. I'm not ashamed to say that. Injuries are not an excuse but they are the reason.
 
Well it looks like the experts are generally on concurrence with Oklahoma in the fourth spot. Nearly all expert projections show that. But they also show nD in the fiesta bowl against a big ten team which should be interesting.
The so called experts and all the projections mean squat.
 
Oklahoma would beat us if we played them today. I'm not ashamed to say that. Injuries are not an excuse but they are the reason.
why ? what do they do well or better than nd ? tcu had them beat saturday had patterson not lost his mind.
 
disagree. I don't think any of the teams okla has beat is any better than usc. big 12 fatten their records on out of conference creampuffs. I think they're all slightly above average. with Oklahoma the best of the bunch. they are the only who plays even a semblance of defense and should have lost Saturday had Patterson not had a bout of temporary insanity.

USC has talent but any way you look at it, the Trojans are a FOUR loss team. And if UCLA wins on Saturday, a five loss team.

If Oklahoma gets their QB and running back into play on Saturday, they should handily beat oSu.
 
USC has talent but any way you look at it, the Trojans are a FOUR loss team. And if UCLA wins on Saturday, a five loss team.

If Oklahoma gets their QB and running back into play on Saturday, they should handily beat oSu.
i understand that. in my opinion usc is a better team than all of the big 12 except maybe oklahoma records aside. the pac 12 is way better than the big 12.
 
If Iowa and Mich State win Saturday and face each other in the champions that spot is taken. There is just no way a 12-1 Mich State team with wins over Michigan, OSU and Iowa get left out nor with a 13-0 conference champ gets left out. If they win Saturday that spot is gone. It does not matter what we think of the Big 10. Look at where they are on the list.
ND's chance live and die with the Big-12, IMO a 12-1 ND goes ahead of a 12-1 Big 12 team, by a hair. But.....the pressure not to leave the big-12 out two years in a row may be too much. If you want to get in for sure:
1. Beat Stanford.
2. Hope that Iowa and Michigan State lose.
 
Beach, I don't know that your argument is all that clear cut.

Let's say ND wins Saturday, Nebraska beats Iowa, MSU beats PSU and then MSU beats Iowa. MSU would have wins over one-loss OSU, two-loss Iowa and three-loss Michigan. All three of those teams could have easily lost to Indiana, so I think that eliminates the "well ND could have easily lost to Virginia" argument (I know you aren't making that argument, but some have). ND would have wins over one-loss conference champ Navy, three loss possible conference champ Stanford, three-loss Pitt and three-loss Temple that hammered middle of the row BIG Penn St. Three of these teams (possibly four) would be ranked somewhere from 10 to 25 with Navy being ranked the highest.

Now throw in the fact that MSU lost to an average Nebraska team and ND lost by two points to the number 1 or 2 team in the country (assuming Clemson wins out) on the road and the argument for MSU over ND certainly is not a slam dunk.
 
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there is a straw committee made of 13 national writers who do their own poll each week. they have nd at #3 this week. they feel that if clemson, bama and nd win out they are in and the 4th spot comes down to the big 10 or big 12. i read it on cleveland.com
 
i understand that. in my opinion usc is a better team than all of the big 12 except maybe oklahoma records aside. the pac 12 is way better than the big 12.

Please, the PAC 12 is not better than the Big 12. That is what you want to be true to make a point you wish to be true.
 
Beach, I don't know that your argument is all that clear cut.

Let's say ND wins Saturday, Nebraska beats Iowa, MSU beats PSU and then MSU beats Iowa. MSU would have wins over one-loss OSU, two-loss Iowa and three-loss Michigan. All three of those teams could have easily lost to Indiana, so I think that eliminates the "well ND could have easily lost to Virginia" argument (I know you aren't making that argument, but some have). ND would have wins over one-loss conference champ Navy, three loss possible conference champ Stanford, three-loss Pitt and three-loss Temple that hammered middle of the row BIG Penn St. Three of these teams (possibly four) would be ranked somewhere from 10 to 25 with Navy being ranked the highest.

Now throw in the fact that MSU lost to an average Nebraska team and ND lost by two points to the number 1 or 2 team in the country (assuming Clemson wins out) on the road and the argument for MSU over ND certainly is not a slam dunk.

The B1G has 5 teams in the top 17 of the rankings. They also hold wins over Stanford & Oregon who thumped USC in the PAC 12(This is what ND wants to present as its case beating 4 loss USC and 3 loss Stanford). It is plain silly to try and argue a 1 loss conference champion whoever it is from the B1G does not belong and they will go even if it is Iowa losing to Nebraska and then beating MSU.
 
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