ND/ Michigan restarted in 1978. Rick Leach was the QB for those who remember. Irish lost at home. The following year in Ann Arbor the Irish got revenge and won 12-10. I just want to say “ thank you Bob Crable”. 1980 , Harry Oliver for the win at the end of the game with a 51 yard field goal. The rivalry was definitely on ! Most of the games were real battles. A few games over the years were lopsided. It really was intense. I agree with 4-4-3 that ND/Michigan is really a natural rivalry. SC / ND has a different feel. I think , at least for me there was always a mutual respect between both schools. The Michigan game? Well let’s just say the Wolverine’s have a strong disdain for the Irish.
ND/USC rivalry
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Notre Dame, IMO, will never play Michigan annually. Far Far too much deep animosity between the two schools.
And that animosity one could argue is why Notre Dame never joined the Big 10, and never will.
Well they did play annually for many years. But I do think you’re right. At this point , I do not think there will be a long series again between both universities
It definitely definitely seems like there is way more BAD BLOOD.
I love it. Hope we see them in the playoffs
USC feels pressured because with the nine game conference schedule, and talk of adding annual Big Ten vs SEC games, that only leaves two slots open for other games. Keeping the ND series would drop them down to just one open slot per year.
ND wouldn't want to be locked into having only one open slot to schedule every year, either.
Thanks. I'm enjoying the positive dialogue. Good stuff.
As for our friend, I DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO HIM as I CAN'T as his stuff DOES NOT APPEAR ON MY SCREEN.
Whoever invented the IGNORE BUTTON was a GENIUS!
So that's the reason. Now they have to play LSU every year, which it must be said they're off to a good start in that budding rivalry. Still, you gotta be strong. Probably doesn't matter, because if they switch to the 14 team 'access' playoff format, ND is probably not going to be able to stay independent for too much longer, and will join the Big Ten, and then USC is back on the schedule! So they just have to hold out for a few more seasons.
I love how stupid you are
your insane rants always make me laugh
With the current structure of the CFP, there’s no reason and no incentive for Notre Dame to join a conference.
Everything is fine just the way things stand right now
I think that's totally wrong. Are you not familiar with some of the proposed expanded playoff formats? I believe pundits and the cognoscenti refer to it as the 'access model', similar to European CL qualification. And one of the leading proposed scenarios comprise 14 teams, and no committee, no at large bids. Other than one spot out of the 14, that ND will have the opportunity to qualify for. And the one I heard kicked around would involve a play in game. They don't just get the spot automatically if they hit performance benchmarks or whatnot, and if anything they would need to hit those benchmarks just to qualify for the play-in game. And the other 13 berths are meted out to the conferences 'automatically'. Big Ten/SEC get four each. Big 12/ACC get 2 each. And one for the G5.
And that is an obviously terrible arrangement for ND. As opposed to being in the Big Ten, where they could get any of the four bids, as well as, assuming that final 14th spot would devolve into a traditional at large bid with ND no longer needing to be catered to as an indie, to whoever the remaining top team from any conference, then ND could qualify for that as well. Or maybe they would give the ACC or Big !2 three spots, and thus no at larges at all. So five possible spots, or at least four, as against just one. That's like a nightmare scenario for ND. No at large bids at all, or only one out of an entire expanded field. I would have to think that would be an untenable state of play for ND, and if it comes to pass our football 'independence' would be at an end.
It's so obviously terrible, right. Which is why I do not think that ESPN would ever sign it without an ND clause addressing that problem.
What do you mean a ND clause, I just explained what the ND exception is, at least according to my understanding of this proposal. A lone at large bid, that wouldn't even come with automatic qualification. ND would have to play in, I believe on CCG weekend, and they'd have to qualify for the play-in game. So yes, if you mean that ND in this particular format wouldn't be locked out altogether than yes that's true. But it would be hardly ideal. Couldn't be much worse.
“ Proposed” ? By whom !
That’s strictly speculation
My statement stands, based on the current structure of the CFP, there is absolutely no reason for Notre Dame to join a conference !
can you get any dumber? had not thought it was possible.
as long as we have the season record we are in. with our schedule, we will get a high seed. You are so fixated on a conference you are blind to reality.
Notre Dame will never have to worry about getting a good seed as long as we have the record.
ratings drive the playoffs. MONEY DRIVES THE PLAYOFFS. Nothing else matters. Which means the controlling powers will never leave out a team that will get ratings and a winning Notre Dame team gets those. The attention Notre Dame attracts.
So there are no plausible ways we get left out as long as we have the season record
morons that claim otherwise are too stupid to get around corners and through open doors
So there are no plausible ways we get left out as long as we have the season record
morons that claim otherwise are too stupid to get around corners and through open doors
Okay, you are not making any kind of even vaguely compelling argument in defense of the inevitable certainly of ND's indefinitely continued independence. In these proposals ND is being taken care of. There is a single slot left open for them. So that's a moot point. The question will be is the relative pittance they have been afforded be considered good enough, by ND, so that they decline to join a conference even in spite of this less than favorable scenario.
My personal feeling is that it might not be. And that 'money', in some abstract sense, is going to be enough to inspire whichever powers that be settle on the final terms and dispensation, to be like, let's just give ND whatever they want. Whatever ND demands, we'll make it happen, we'll acquiesce. We need them in that playoff every year unless they literally have a losing record, because we need the money, even if they steadfastly refuse to join a conference, and they will be upset and sad if they don't get to be in the playoff every year or something, I don't even know what we're talking about, this is nonsense. The only important upshot is that being an independent is not where you want to be if you want to make the playoff with this sort of qualification format, or have the most chances to make it in on an annual basis. And that's just reality. ND can't win their own conference consisting of a single team.
“ proposals”. ?
Name the people making those proposals, along with exactly what they are proposing
I'm not going to do that. They exist, they're out there, and everyone in the CFB world is talking about them. And they could very well come to pass, as early as 2026. And then ND would have a choice to make.
If ND were a perennial top 5 team every year , then I think they could stay independent for as long as they want. However , history says that is not usually the case. Freeman could take them on a really good ride depending on how long he stays. But coaches, like players come and go. ND could easily be mediocre for a while. Right now , I’d say they have been top ten consistently overall since 2017. That’s pretty good. But if they fall back with 7-5 or 8-4 type seasons, then pressure really mounts to join a conference. They are walking a tightrope so to speak. As much as I would love ND to remain independent, I do believe they will have no choice and eventually join a conference. The only other scenario would be splitting the country up into regions as I stated in another post. But that is only me speculating. We shall see how this all plays out.
If the last 100 years are any indication, ND will remain independent in football.
You can't even grasp basic math you moron. The only proposal that include auto bids, expands the playoffs to 16 teams. 4 auto bids each for Big10 and SEC, 2 auto bids each for ACC and Big12, and one G5 autobid equals 13 auto bids, leaving 3 at-large bids.
From what I've read they are actually moving away from this proposal and going to a 5 + 11 format. 5 conference champions get auto bids with 11 at-large bids. Either way, Notre Dame at 10-2 gets included in a 16 team playoff period.
You can't fix stupid and that's what Savvy is.
"Under the 16-team proposal, eight auto-bids from the Big Ten and SEC exist — four from each league — along with two ACC qualifiers, two Big 12, one Group of Five and three at-large teams."
CFP 5+11 model gaining traction among leaders
A 16-team College Football Playoff model featuring the top five conference champions and 11 at-large teams is gaining traction following SEC spring meetings this week.
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