ND Football was deliberately derailed...

[floridairish]

In 1991 and when the Class of 1990 left in 1993. ND has not put a physically dominant team on the field in 23 years.

Firing the ONLY coach in 22 years to have any success for one bad season would be like Mich State firing D'Antonio for this season. If you coach at one place long enough, seasons like this happen.

In 1989 I met Vinnie Cerrato when he was looking at a skinny weak armed QB out of Tampa. I could not believe the best team in College Football would look at this kid. His name was Tom Carter.

Vinnie Cerrato from 86-90 would negotiate with Admissions and the "marginal student athletes" who gained admission performed admirably. ( Rice, Smagala, Zorich to name a few...)

In the Summer Camp of 1991 Vinnie Cerrato lost every negotiation for every "marginal recruit" Cerrato left for the 49ers and the rest is history.

Firing Kelly is not the answer and Swarbrick made the right decision.

BTW Urban Meyer discussed "negotiations" with admissions for 5 marginal kids a year.How'd that work out?

Brian Kelly said he shops for players on a different aisle. Well, ND is not doing anything until they can shop on the same aisle. Like Lou and Vinnie were allowed for 5 years.

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

The difference between D'Antonio and Kelly is that D'Antonio has proven himself. He's won major bowls and beaten top 10 teams more than once. And with a lot less talent than Kelly has. Kelly's best win was against Oklahoma in 2012. 2012. He's had solid recruiting classes and has yet to win against a major opponet or a bowl game. If he had won a national championship and beat some top 10 teams, we likely wouldn't be talking about him leaving. Time for him to go.

 

[end_23]

The difference between D'Antonio and Kelly is that D'Antonio has proven himself. He's won major bowls and beaten top 10 teams more than once. And with a lot less talent than Kelly has. Kelly's best win was against Oklahoma in 2012. 2012. He's had solid recruiting classes and has yet to win against a major opponet or a bowl game. If he had won a national championship and beat some top 10 teams, we likely wouldn't be talking about him leaving. Time for him to go.

Well stated. I just don't understand why some ND fans don't see the difference? Beat scUM in 2011, and Stanford last year + a major bowl win by now and none of us are complaining about one down year.

 

[shabak]

Bad assistants... Air Coryell type offense bone head offensive play calling. Nonexistent strength and conditioning. You can hate Harbaugh, Meyet and Saban... but they get it. Then of course there's issues with the administration.

 

[Howard Hall 74]

In 1991 and when the Class of 1990 left in 1993. ND has not put a physically dominant team on the field in 23 years.

Firing the ONLY coach in 22 years to have any success for one bad season would be like Mich State firing D'Antonio for this season. If you coach at one place long enough, seasons like this happen.

In 1989 I met Vinnie Cerrato when he was looking at a skinny weak armed QB out of Tampa. I could not believe the best team in College Football would look at this kid. His name was Tom Carter.

Vinnie Cerrato from 86-90 would negotiate with Admissions and the "marginal student athletes" who gained admission performed admirably. ( Rice, Smagala, Zorich to name a few...)

In the Summer Camp of 1991 Vinnie Cerrato lost every negotiation for every "marginal recruit" Cerrato left for the 49ers and the rest is history.

Firing Kelly is not the answer and Swarbrick made the right decision.

BTW Urban Meyer discussed "negotiations" with admissions for 5 marginal kids a year.How'd that work out?

Brian Kelly said he shops for players on a different aisle. Well, ND is not doing anything until they can shop on the same aisle. Like Lou and Vinnie were allowed for 5 years.

You are leaving a lot out. There was considerably more occurring in the early 90's, on and off the field, beside admissions. Holtz had to deal with that dimwit from Canada, Wadsworth and an incompetent University President Monk Malloy. Just don't understand where some of you are coming from...this has little to do with W's and L's but with the performance and growth of the team. This is a terribly prepared group week in and week out. Why people can't see this is amazing. Coach 8 & 4 is in way over his head. What worked at lower D2 teams does not translate here at this level. This is about national championship coaching at the D1 level and this guy can't. Period!

Also, this isn't about grades, its more about the core group of classes needed to gain acceptance here. There are plenty of really good players who have high enough GPA and test scores to get in here. Not all, yes, but plenty of terrific players. It's the core subjects needed, 4 years of language, 4 years math etc. that is the stumbling block. Adjust that, create an new type of special situation student (and this is done at all schools in different ways) and lengthen the years to graduate and create a glide path that allows these exemptions and things will change.

 

[twalsh]

Brian Kelly said he shops for players on a different aisle. Well, ND is not doing anything until they can shop on the same aisle. Like Lou and Vinnie were allowed for 5 years.

We were not shopping in the same aisle back then either. The aisle may have been a little wider, but t was still different from 95% of schools.

 

[88ND]

We were not shopping in the same aisle back then either. The aisle may have been a little wider, but t was still different from 95% of schools.

Omfg...that different aisle thing again.

 

[cgvr]

In 1991 and when the Class of 1990 left in 1993. ND has not put a physically dominant team on the field in 23 years.

Firing the ONLY coach in 22 years to have any success for one bad season would be like Mich State firing D'Antonio for this season. If you coach at one place long enough, seasons like this happen.

In 1989 I met Vinnie Cerrato when he was looking at a skinny weak armed QB out of Tampa. I could not believe the best team in College Football would look at this kid. His name was Tom Carter.

Vinnie Cerrato from 86-90 would negotiate with Admissions and the "marginal student athletes" who gained admission performed admirably. ( Rice, Smagala, Zorich to name a few...)

In the Summer Camp of 1991 Vinnie Cerrato lost every negotiation for every "marginal recruit" Cerrato left for the 49ers and the rest is history.

Firing Kelly is not the answer and Swarbrick made the right decision.

BTW Urban Meyer discussed "negotiations" with admissions for 5 marginal kids a year.How'd that work out?

Brian Kelly said he shops for players on a different aisle. Well, ND is not doing anything until they can shop on the same aisle. Like Lou and Vinnie were allowed for 5 years.

I know you're do for an injection....so, I will be brief....take a look at Harbaugh at Stanford. How long did it take him to shock the CFB world? I will await a dumb ass reply.... hint biggest upset vs the spread in cfb history...

 

[twalsh]

Omfg...that different aisle thing again.

Hey, he brought it up, I just responded.

 

[VirginiaWildcat]

In 1991 and when the Class of 1990 left in 1993. ND has not put a physically dominant team on the field in 23 years.

Firing the ONLY coach in 22 years to have any success for one bad season would be like Mich State firing D'Antonio for this season. If you coach at one place long enough, seasons like this happen.

In 1989 I met Vinnie Cerrato when he was looking at a skinny weak armed QB out of Tampa. I could not believe the best team in College Football would look at this kid. His name was Tom Carter.

Vinnie Cerrato from 86-90 would negotiate with Admissions and the "marginal student athletes" who gained admission performed admirably. ( Rice, Smagala, Zorich to name a few...)

In the Summer Camp of 1991 Vinnie Cerrato lost every negotiation for every "marginal recruit" Cerrato left for the 49ers and the rest is history.

Firing Kelly is not the answer and Swarbrick made the right decision.

BTW Urban Meyer discussed "negotiations" with admissions for 5 marginal kids a year.How'd that work out?

Brian Kelly said he shops for players on a different aisle. Well, ND is not doing anything until they can shop on the same aisle. Like Lou and Vinnie were allowed for 5 years.

Do YOU think ND has been well-coached this year?

 

[AdvanSix]

Mark Dantonio. No apostrophe. No capital A. Not that hard.

 

[Toby Smart]

I know the answer to that question. No. The team has not been well coached this year. So, what are you going to do about it?

 

[VirginiaWildcat]

I know the answer to that question. No. The team has not been well coached this year. So, what are you going to do about it?

So then we're in agreement that blaming something from 25 years for Kelly's poor coaching is ridiculous. And also, that a coach should absolutely be judged on how well a team is prepared from week to week.

 

[AdvanSix]

In 1991 and when the Class of 1990 left in 1993. ND has not put a physically dominant team on the field in 23 years.

Firing the ONLY coach in 22 years to have any success for one bad season would be like Mich State firing D'Antonio for this season. If you coach at one place long enough, seasons like this happen.

In 1989 I met Vinnie Cerrato when he was looking at a skinny weak armed QB out of Tampa. I could not believe the best team in College Football would look at this kid. His name was Tom Carter.

Vinnie Cerrato from 86-90 would negotiate with Admissions and the "marginal student athletes" who gained admission performed admirably. ( Rice, Smagala, Zorich to name a few...)

In the Summer Camp of 1991 Vinnie Cerrato lost every negotiation for every "marginal recruit" Cerrato left for the 49ers and the rest is history.

Firing Kelly is not the answer and Swarbrick made the right decision.

BTW Urban Meyer discussed "negotiations" with admissions for 5 marginal kids a year.How'd that work out?

Brian Kelly said he shops for players on a different aisle. Well, ND is not doing anything until they can shop on the same aisle. Like Lou and Vinnie were allowed for 5 years.

It all sounds good but then how does one explain losing in recent years to the likes of Navy, Northwestern, Duke and Stanford? Sorry. Not buying it. All of those teams have very high caliber student-athletes but they also have superior coaching. When you consider the vast resources ND has and spends on football relative to the NW's and Stanfords of the world then the disparity among coaching staffs becomes even greater.

 

[NIN Irish]

In 1991 and when the Class of 1990 left in 1993. ND has not put a physically dominant team on the field in 23 years.

Firing the ONLY coach in 22 years to have any success for one bad season would be like Mich State firing D'Antonio for this season. If you coach at one place long enough, seasons like this happen.

In 1989 I met Vinnie Cerrato when he was looking at a skinny weak armed QB out of Tampa. I could not believe the best team in College Football would look at this kid. His name was Tom Carter.

Vinnie Cerrato from 86-90 would negotiate with Admissions and the "marginal student athletes" who gained admission performed admirably. ( Rice, Smagala, Zorich to name a few...)

In the Summer Camp of 1991 Vinnie Cerrato lost every negotiation for every "marginal recruit" Cerrato left for the 49ers and the rest is history.

Firing Kelly is not the answer and Swarbrick made the right decision.

BTW Urban Meyer discussed "negotiations" with admissions for 5 marginal kids a year.How'd that work out?

Brian Kelly said he shops for players on a different aisle. Well, ND is not doing anything until they can shop on the same aisle. Like Lou and Vinnie were allowed for 5 years.

Firing for one bad and 4 decent. Not exactly exciting. The 2 seasons that surpassed expectations each ended with dissatisfaction. Time to move on from this regime.

 

[NDSMC78]

It all sounds good but then how does one explain losing in recent years to the likes of Navy, Northwestern, Duke and Stanford? Sorry. Not buying it. All of those teams have very high caliber student-athletes but they also have superior coaching. When you consider the vast resources ND has and spends on football relative to the NW's and Stanfords of the world then the disparity among coaching staffs becomes even greater.

I dunno. But I can tell you that Lou Holtz coached ND teams lost to Air Force, Northwestern and Stanford. Lou must have been a bum.

 

[Bodizephax]

In 1991 and when the Class of 1990 left in 1993. ND has not put a physically dominant team on the field in 23 years.

Firing the ONLY coach in 22 years to have any success for one bad season would be like Mich State firing D'Antonio for this season. If you coach at one place long enough, seasons like this happen.

In 1989 I met Vinnie Cerrato when he was looking at a skinny weak armed QB out of Tampa. I could not believe the best team in College Football would look at this kid. His name was Tom Carter.

Vinnie Cerrato from 86-90 would negotiate with Admissions and the "marginal student athletes" who gained admission performed admirably. ( Rice, Smagala, Zorich to name a few...)

In the Summer Camp of 1991 Vinnie Cerrato lost every negotiation for every "marginal recruit" Cerrato left for the 49ers and the rest is history.

Firing Kelly is not the answer and Swarbrick made the right decision.

BTW Urban Meyer discussed "negotiations" with admissions for 5 marginal kids a year.How'd that work out?

Brian Kelly said he shops for players on a different aisle. Well, ND is not doing anything until they can shop on the same aisle. Like Lou and Vinnie were allowed for 5 years.

I bet Jack S. does make the right decision and fires Brian Kelly at the end of this year or earlier. There should be no way Kelly survives if he losses 7, 8,9 or even 10 games with the talent this team has. I like Brian Kelly but he will be sleeping with the fishes. Jack will see to it !

 

[moose1]

Mark Dantonio. No apostrophe. No capital A. Not that hard.

But first name is MIKE I think.

 

[Classic Irish]

Omfg...that different aisle thing again.

^^^^^^^^^^^Clueless

 

[HuddleBurger]

I agree with the OP, except I think BK isn't a good ND coach. But it is pretty clear that the admin cracked down on the pipeline to talent that Holtz and Cerrato needed to succeed. Holtz to this day has never given a reason as to why he left. He has too much class and didn't want to call out the university that he loved.

I also agree with Howard Hall that Malloy and the stooge Wadsworth, along with their lackey Beauchamp, did major damage to ND football. Swarbrick is being evaluated on how ND athletics as a whole are doing, not how well the men's football program alone is doing. Championship football has already served its purpose for ND athletics. There will be no more concessions for "marginal student athletes." This is the Era of Mediocrity.

 

[NotreDame du Lac]

The difference between D'Antonio and Kelly is that D'Antonio has proven himself. He's won major bowls and beaten top 10 teams more than once. And with a lot less talent than Kelly has. Kelly's best win was against Oklahoma in 2012. 2012. He's had solid recruiting classes and has yet to win against a major opponet or a bowl game. If he had won a national championship and beat some top 10 teams, we likely wouldn't be talking about him leaving. Time for him to go.

When's the last time Dantonio played for a national championship? When was Dantonios last undefeated season? Dumb post. Not defending Kelly, calling it like it is. I'd take either of these coaches over the vast majority of college football coaches based on twice records and accomplishments. Both are having poor seasons.

 

[tkirish]

In 1991 and when the Class of 1990 left in 1993. ND has not put a physically dominant team on the field in 23 years.

Firing the ONLY coach in 22 years to have any success for one bad season would be like Mich State firing D'Antonio for this season. If you coach at one place long enough, seasons like this happen.

In 1989 I met Vinnie Cerrato when he was looking at a skinny weak armed QB out of Tampa. I could not believe the best team in College Football would look at this kid. His name was Tom Carter.

Vinnie Cerrato from 86-90 would negotiate with Admissions and the "marginal student athletes" who gained admission performed admirably. ( Rice, Smagala, Zorich to name a few...)

In the Summer Camp of 1991 Vinnie Cerrato lost every negotiation for every "marginal recruit" Cerrato left for the 49ers and the rest is history.

Firing Kelly is not the answer and Swarbrick made the right decision.

BTW Urban Meyer discussed "negotiations" with admissions for 5 marginal kids a year.How'd that work out?

Brian Kelly said he shops for players on a different aisle. Well, ND is not doing anything until they can shop on the same aisle. Like Lou and Vinnie were allowed for 5 years.

Floridairish,

Your post is abosolutely correct. If you look at the classes strung together while Cerrato was there , those teams were awesome. 1994 was the first year where you could see a difference. In fact I remember reading a quote from Holtz in August of '94 saying " I guess we don't get the players we use to get" . No one on the outside knew it but he knew the administration decided to clamp down on the football program. It has never been the same since. The 1993 team was the last true top team they had. Yes that includes 2012 which was a very good team but no where near the '93 team. I've said it before and I'll say again. If you want to compete for championships, you to get several elite players signed each recruiting cycle. Unfortunately that ain't gonna happen.

 

[IrishBlessings]

The difference between D'Antonio and Kelly is that D'Antonio has proven himself. He's won major bowls and beaten top 10 teams more than once. And with a lot less talent than Kelly has. Kelly's best win was against Oklahoma in 2012. 2012. He's had solid recruiting classes and has yet to win against a major opponet or a bowl game. If he had won a national championship and beat some top 10 teams, we likely wouldn't be talking about him leaving. Time for him to go.

Spot on Shakin - I dont see a Mich St team burn up its timeouts early in the first or second half of games.

I dont see Mich St Special teams play to an average or below average level every season like Bk's does.

I dont see Mich St hardly ever lose to a team they are supposed to beat,

I see Mich St win games when they have less talent than their opponent many times.

BK cannot hold D'Antonio's jock strap. Not even close.

BK's handling of players as well is atrocious,

Florda Irish's. constant excuses for BK are nauseating.

Lastly, I've never see D'Antonio throw his players under the bus in a press conference like BK has done on more than one occasion.

BK like CW has a very good agent who was able to swindle Jack Sawbrick into a very timely 6 year extension.

ND is stuck w/ BK for a few more years and maybe 6 more - if BK can win at least 8 or 9 games a year.

8 or 9 wins for Jack Sawbrick is good enough. GET USED TO IT !

 

[michigaNDer#1]

Spot on Shakin - I dont see a Mich St team burn up its timeouts early in the first or second half of games.

I dont see Mich St Special teams play to an average or below average level every season like Bk's does.

I dont see Mich St hardly ever lose to a team they are supposed to beat,

I see Mich St win games when they have less talent than their opponent many times.

BK cannot hold D'Antonio's jock strap. Not even close.

BK's handling of players as well is atrocious,

Florda Irish's. constant excuses for BK are nauseating.

Lastly, I've never see D'Antonio throw his players under the bus in a press conference like BK has done on more than one occasion.

BK like CW has a very good agent who was able to swindle Jack Sawbrick into a very timely 6 year extension.

ND is stuck w/ BK for a few more years and maybe 6 more - if BK can win at least 8 or 9 games a year.

8 or 9 wins for Jack Sawbrick is good enough. GET USED TO IT !

So Maryland didn't beat MSU yesterday? MSU is as bad as ND this year . Only difference is that we have a veteran QB and more talent. Kelly, as horrible as he is, owns Dantonio outside of Little Giant and this year. Only team to beat them in 2013. Kelly needs to go, but you need to wake up if you think Mark doesn't lose to teams he shouldn't. What's their record?

 

[end_23]

I know you're do for an injection....so, I will be brief....take a look at Harbaugh at Stanford. How long did it take him to shock the CFB world? I will await a dumb ass reply.... hint biggest upset vs the spread in cfb history...

I was at the Rose Bowl that night watching ND get their first win of the season against UCLA. I'll never forget the score from the game across town that night being read over the PA. ND and UCLA fans were high fiving each other.

Kelly is a fraud. Some morons will never understand, that if he knew how to run a pick play the right way, ND would've beaten Florida State two years ago. ND should've had 10+ wins each season under Kelly. It's not the talent. It's the goof making in-game decisions.

 

[end_23]

So Maryland didn't beat MSU yesterday? MSU is as bad as ND this year . Only difference is that we have a veteran QB and more talent. Kelly, as horrible as he is, owns Dantonio outside of Little Giant and this year. Only team to beat them in 2013. Kelly needs to go, but you need to wake up if you think Mark doesn't lose to teams he shouldn't. What's their record?

One year bro. Dantonio has a Rose Bowl and Cotton Bowl to his name. It's one bad year for MSU under him. It's been pure frustration from the start with this Kelly guy. Why can't you see that? What has Kelly ever done? Oh right, get throttled by Bama.

 

[michigaNDer#1]

One year bro. Dantonio has a Rose Bowl and Cotton Bowl to his name. It's one bad year for MSU under him. It's been pure frustration from the start with this Kelly guy. Why can't you see that? What has Kelly ever done? Oh right, get throttled by Bama.

Did you not read every word I wrote. I'm not giving Kelly a pass. I want him gone, but giving Dantonio a hummer for beating Stanford is a joke. Didn't Bama Throttle MSU too? Wake up. Dantonio does more with less, but they've been taken to the woodshed as much as we have and giving them a ton of credit for beating Stanford? Tommy Rees almost beat them that year.

 

[cgvr]

I was at the Rose Bowl that night watching ND get their first win of the season against UCLA. I'll never forget the score from the game across town that night being read over the PA. ND and UCLA fans were high fiving each other.

Kelly is a fraud. Some morons will never understand, that if he knew how to run a pick play the right way, ND would've beaten Florida State two years ago. ND should've had 10+ wins each season under Kelly. It's not the talent. It's the goof making in-game decisions.

2 massive Catholic HS FB powers # 2 and # 3 squared off at Cerritos College on Friday night...
Mater Dei vs St John Bosco 26-21 MD win....
Porky was no where to be seen. Oh, that's right we had a bye....
I will say this Fatso at least got Polian out here on a regular basis. Occasionally Tubby'd make it to the sidelines here too....

 

[cgvr]

Did you not read every word I wrote. I'm not giving Kelly a pass. I want him gone, but giving Dantonio a hummer for beating Stanford is a joke. Didn't Bama Throttle MSU too? Wake up. Dantonio does more with less, but they've been taken to the woodshed as much as we have and giving them a ton of credit for beating Stanford? Tommy Rees almost beat them that year.

Notre Dame Final AP rankings
2010 NR
2011 NR
2012 4
2013 20
2014 NR
2015 11

MSU Final AP ranking
2010 14
2011 11
2012 NR
2013 3
2014 6
2015 6

 

[michigaNDer#1]

Cvgr, you are as smart as the others. I'm not giving Kelly a pass. Yes Dantonio has done more with less.

 

[cgvr]

Cvgr, you are as smart as the others. I'm not giving Kelly a pass. Yes Dantonio has done more with less.

Who are the others?

 

[NIN Irish]

Who are the others?

Purse must be one of them.

 

[cgvr]

Purse must be one of them.

Boy George sang about Perse....."I'm a man without conviction, ...."

 

[AdvanSix]

Did you not read every word I wrote. I'm not giving Kelly a pass. I want him gone, but giving Dantonio a hummer for beating Stanford is a joke. Didn't Bama Throttle MSU too? Wake up. Dantonio does more with less, but they've been taken to the woodshed as much as we have and giving them a ton of credit for beating Stanford? Tommy Rees almost beat them that year.

What??? Where have you been hiding the past 6 years? Stanford is hardly Dantonios only feather in cap. He's knocked OSU off twice in past 3 years in hugely important games. You know OSU right? The same OSU that ND has failed to beat at any point in the modern era. Dantonio also has Major bowl wins against Georgia, TCU and Baylor at a time when those schools had great, not good, great teams. Meanwhile Kelly hasn't delivered ONE single quality bowl win in his entire D1 experience. I'm sorry but when your best bowl win comes against 5 loss LSU in the Music Shity bowl, you've got real problems. Dantonio is 10x the coach Kelly is. You might also look at Dantonio's immediate 2 predecessors. He inherited a team that had a .450 win % the prior decade with far less resources devoted to football than ND. This isn't even a fair fight.

 

[Java65]

In 1991 and when the Class of 1990 left in 1993. ND has not put a physically dominant team on the field in 23 years.

Firing the ONLY coach in 22 years to have any success for one bad season would be like Mich State firing D'Antonio for this season. If you coach at one place long enough, seasons like this happen.

In 1989 I met Vinnie Cerrato when he was looking at a skinny weak armed QB out of Tampa. I could not believe the best team in College Football would look at this kid. His name was Tom Carter.

Vinnie Cerrato from 86-90 would negotiate with Admissions and the "marginal student athletes" who gained admission performed admirably. ( Rice, Smagala, Zorich to name a few...)

In the Summer Camp of 1991 Vinnie Cerrato lost every negotiation for every "marginal recruit" Cerrato left for the 49ers and the rest is history.

Firing Kelly is not the answer and Swarbrick made the right decision.

BTW Urban Meyer discussed "negotiations" with admissions for 5 marginal kids a year.How'd that work out?

Brian Kelly said he shops for players on a different aisle. Well, ND is not doing anything until they can shop on the same aisle. Like Lou and Vinnie were allowed for 5 years.

He should not be fired for 1 bad season, he should be fired for 1 terrible season and 5 medicore seasons.

 

[theskibro]

I bet Jack S. does make the right decision and fires Brian Kelly at the end of this year or earlier. There should be no way Kelly survives if he losses 7, 8,9 or even 10 games with the talent this team has. I like Brian Kelly but he will be sleeping with the fishes. Jack will see to it !

Jack is an ass. A wuss. Kelly is not going anywhere. Jack will give him a raise

 

[end_23]

Did you not read every word I wrote. I'm not giving Kelly a pass. I want him gone, but giving Dantonio a hummer for beating Stanford is a joke. Didn't Bama Throttle MSU too? Wake up. Dantonio does more with less, but they've been taken to the woodshed as much as we have and giving them a ton of credit for beating Stanford? Tommy Rees almost beat them that year.

Me wake up? STFU you dipsh!t. I've been on two boards for four years telling everyone this day was coming for ND. You're just now coming in with your tough guy talk. The year MSU beat Stanford in the Rose Bowl was the same year ND lost to Stanford so you're not winning that argument about Stanford being a joke opponent. You really think ND would've beaten Baylor two years ago in the Cotton Bowl? No chance in hell with BK.

I read every word of your response and proved you don't get it. I never said you were giving Kelly a free pass. I was stating my opinion. The fact of the matter is Kelly hasn't done anything positive for ND and needs to go- now.

I don't care what the score is if it's a loss. A loss is a loss and It's actually more pathetic to lose by 3-7 points almost every week like Kelly has. People can make excuses all they want but Dantonio has won some clutch games that Kelly hasn't. The final four game last year was competitive for the first half. The ND/Bama game was over after five minutes btw.

 

[end_23]

So Maryland didn't beat MSU yesterday? MSU is as bad as ND this year . Only difference is that we have a veteran QB and more talent. Kelly, as horrible as he is, owns Dantonio outside of Little Giant and this year. Only team to beat them in 2013. Kelly needs to go, but you need to wake up if you think Mark doesn't lose to teams he shouldn't. What's their record?

Kelly is 3-2 against Dantonio. Throw out 2010 and 2016? Sorry that's not how it works. Can MSU fans say throw out 2013 then? In the end, it is what it is. Sparty fans had a helluva run under MD, while it's been seven years of frustration for true ND fans with the current regime.

- zero major bowl wins
- zero final four appearances
- 1-2 total big wins (pathetic)
- lots of embarrassing off the field issues

 

[end_23]

Did you not read every word I wrote. I'm not giving Kelly a pass. I want him gone, but giving Dantonio a hummer for beating Stanford is a joke. Didn't Bama Throttle MSU too? Wake up. Dantonio does more with less, but they've been taken to the woodshed as much as we have and giving them a ton of credit for beating Stanford? Tommy Rees almost beat them that year.

Tommy Rees had three straight possessions in the fourth quarter to try and drive ND down the field and TIE Stanford in 2013. The Stanford D dominated and wouldn't allow it. ND never came close to almost winning that game. They couldn't even get into Stanford territory to tie. Nice try.

And good job on ignoring the huge win Dantonio got against a great Baylor team in the Cotton Bowl two years ago. Brian Kelly would've been blown out in that setting. We all know it. Run along now. I know more than you.

 

[end_23]

2 massive Catholic HS FB powers # 2 and # 3 squared off at Cerritos College on Friday night...
Mater Dei vs St John Bosco 26-21 MD win....
Porky was no where to be seen. Oh, that's right we had a bye....
I will say this Fatso at least got Polian out here on a regular basis. Occasionally Tubby'd make it to the sidelines here too....

I was at the Commerce Casino Friday night and saw a bit of that HS game. I mentioned to my Dad a few weeks ago- why the hell isn't ND recruiting the Catholic schools in CA? My goodness I can't stop shaking my head at the fact ND is coached by this purple face.