Mike Sanford JR. Needs to be our next coach
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We found out before how well promoting a coordinator (Davie) worked.
If ND would make a change they need a coach with a whole lot of HC experience and proven success.
If ND would make a change they need a coach with a whole lot of HC experience and proven success.
You bring up Davie? Ok, what about Barry Alverez and Urban Meyer? Two former ND assistants that became very successful.
Do you know the win/loss record of Alvarez? Here are his first eight years:
1-10
5-6
5-6
10-1-1
7-4-1
4-5-2
8-5
8-5
Overall he was 118-75. Not exactly stellar.
As for Urban Meyer, that is by far the exception to the rule.
This is an extremely unpopular position to take at this time, but Kelly knows football. He is a tremendous competitor and nobody on this board wants to win more than him. He has made mistakes. It will be interesting to see the BVG decision play out. BVG obviously knows defensive schemes. However, if you can't execute the strategy, it is useless. IMHO, and I am certainly no expert, our defense still, in year 3, looks confused at times and out of place. Kelly will have to live with his BVG decision. Hopefully the defense makes a miraculous recovery. It needs to.
That is actually the best Wisconsin football has ever looked. Funny you didn't list his last eight years. Back to back conference championship and three rose bowl wins. Again, he did this at Wisconsin. Which prior to him arriving was a middle of the pack B10 team if lucky.
Every coach that puts on a whistle better be a competitor. The guy is one of the highest paid coaches in the nation. He better be more than a competitor. Bottom line is this, Kelly is not a leader. He would make a good assistant. No way is he a head coach of a major university. Either go back to a small school like Cinci or become an assistant.
In four of those last eight years they went 9-4, 5-7, 8-6, and 7-6. They were still the middle of the pack for the majority of his time there. They were not consistent year to year.
I know of no assistants that would be able to handle the enormous pressure put upon them for their first HC job being at ND.
As much as I can't stand Coach Khaki Pants, look at the "training ground" he had prior to going home to Michigan. He needed that to be prepared for that stage. It takes time to develop the skills necessary to handle the HC position.
Trust me, if Alverez had the talent that this ND team has we would be 3-0. Top players do not want to play in Wisconsin. Yet, he did a great job there. The guy has been at ND for two seasons. He knows the pressure that comes with the job. He would just need to hire mature seasoned assistance. Kelly paid his dues at smaller schools. He definitely is over his head. Shaw was never a head coach before he took over Stanford. Coach Sanford is every bit the coach Shaw is.
Put down the crack pipe. Maybe in 20 years when he might have 10 years of running a program. High School would be a good start.
i am genuinely thinking that Pennick is not a ND fan. Or an incredibly stubborn fool.
What fan would think failure is more appealing than a future with hope.
I did not imply guaranteed success but there is always a risk taken to succeed.
Why continue down a road taken many times with the same failed result?
He would have been against hiring Urban Meyer! But Kelly did not have near the major program experience that Sanford has gotten. Is the fear that Sanford has gotten stupider by mere association with Kelly?
Sanford is a better football mind than Kelly.
Sanford resonates with recruits and their parents.
Sanford is respected universally.
Sanford did not decide to punt!
Z: continue 'the Call for Sanford' till the administration hears it!
What fan would think failure is more appealing than a future with hope.
I did not imply guaranteed success but there is always a risk taken to succeed.
Why continue down a road taken many times with the same failed result?
He would have been against hiring Urban Meyer! But Kelly did not have near the major program experience that Sanford has gotten. Is the fear that Sanford has gotten stupider by mere association with Kelly?
Sanford is a better football mind than Kelly.
Sanford resonates with recruits and their parents.
Sanford is respected universally.
Sanford did not decide to punt!
Z: continue 'the Call for Sanford' till the administration hears it!
Sanford is a better football mind than Kelly. Evidence? Record? HC resume?
Sanford resonates with recruits and their parents. Seems to be true, but so does Kelly.
Sanford is respected universally. How many HC offers did he get last offseason?
Sanford did not decide to punt! But that is the call in 99% of the cases (except when you are turning it over to a BVG defense.) So unless you can read minds you don't know what Sanford would have done in that position.
Hmmm, Perse.... May be jumping the gun a bit my friend. If you told me Tom Herman would come today, I'd say okay. Or Urban Meyer, or Dantonio, or Saban, or even Charlie Strong but Sanford is a young kid who has done a spectacular job with Kizer, no doubt. But can he play safety?
Sanford resonates with recruits and their parents. Seems to be true, but so does Kelly.
Sanford is respected universally. How many HC offers did he get last offseason?
Sanford did not decide to punt! But that is the call in 99% of the cases (except when you are turning it over to a BVG defense.) So unless you can read minds you don't know what Sanford would have done in that position.
Hmmm, Perse.... May be jumping the gun a bit my friend. If you told me Tom Herman would come today, I'd say okay. Or Urban Meyer, or Dantonio, or Saban, or even Charlie Strong but Sanford is a young kid who has done a spectacular job with Kizer, no doubt. But can he play safety?
The ND head coaching position cannot and should not ever be the candidates first head coaching job. We have seen that movie a few times, a
reading this forum long enough to know which minds tune out for fear of the unknown.
very little one can say to them.
very little one can say to them.
yep
i guess thevrest of us have to endure the losing that consitutes your 'happy place'
for now; but that time is short.
i guess thevrest of us have to endure the losing that consitutes your 'happy place'
for now; but that time is short.
You know what? I don't see that anyone is in a "happy place" right now, but to just start throwing out names for the sake of it solves nothing.
And, an unproven commodity is exactly what it is.
unproven like Urban Meyer?
when Kelly came from Cinn did you really feel that was a major program? Well Sanford has been with the major programs longer than Kelly and enjoyed success: but feel free to fail : again,
Go read the bowl thread, I made a post that asks a question. Can you get the inference..
when Kelly came from Cinn did you really feel that was a major program? Well Sanford has been with the major programs longer than Kelly and enjoyed success: but feel free to fail : again,
Go read the bowl thread, I made a post that asks a question. Can you get the inference..
Not one coach since Lou has lived up to the title Notre Dame football head coach. Ty and Kelly had previous head coaching experience. Davie and Charlie had none. Really no difference in the four. Kelly had one fantastic season but it ended with a Bama beat down. Charlie and Ty had similar endings to good seasons. David Shaw had zero head coaching experience. He is doing just fine for the Cardinal. Four guys since Lou different resumé same outcome. That being said, I do like Herman. He only has two years of head coaching experience and that is at Houston. Not known as a powerhouse school.
Here is my reasons for
Do I think BK will be on the hot seat after this season very likely. I would expect BVG to move on after this season
Do I think BK will be on the hot seat after this season very likely. I would expect BVG to move on after this season
And you're going to say Sanford is the next Meyer? Based upon what?
You always love to bring up how I backed Weis and I admitted that I was wrong about him. That's what a man does, but yet I never see you do that about anything. Why is that?
You never "fail", right? You know it all and therefore I bow to your genius.
The guy is on the hot seat now. He has been out coached two out three games this season. He has failed to win a big game in multiple seasons. His team which started in the top ten is now out of the top 25. This team is playing like they have a whole new coaching staff that is trying to implement a new system. No way is this team playing like a team that has a head coach entering his seventh season. With the right coach ND would be 3-0 T this point.
Zorich88
I cannot argue with your logic. unlike the usual suspect that start insulting you if you do not agree with or withholding until the season ends. I believe Kelly to be a nice man who does not want to make the hard personnel choices that are required to be a head coach. i.e. BVG should have been gone the end of last year. I also agree we had chances to beat FSU, Clemson and could not do it. i believe OSU is a much better team than the Irish. So in that case he has failed to pull an upset or get the proper talent to compete with OSU. Although based on the University it may be impossible to do that. IMO the Irish should be able to compete for a NC every 4 years and have one 8 to 9 win season every 4 years. That means every other year should be 10-11 games won. i think this is a very reasonable approach.
bille
you're reading it way wrong.
I just think that you do stay with something until it is clear that it is not working out the way the plan intends it. Some are quicker to arrive there than others, but then what?
I just don't buy into inaction a/c fear of the unknown.
I can see you staying with Kelly if you believe he has the program at a level that you deem your satisfactory level; that your expectations are met. If that is the case then I would not expect you to support any plans to change the staff.
And you read me wrong. I am not happy with 8 or 9 wins; I expect better.
In my years of management I've seen changes made overnight simply because change was needed so it was done quickly and that never seemed to work. If it's done it needs to be done with a lot of background work and a thorough search of candidates. Not a knee-jerk emotional reaction.
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