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I know he struggled off the field, and I even called for him to be suspended for the season after the DUI incident (something I later waivered on significantly), but I often forget just how much of a pleasure it was watching him play during his 4 years in South Bend. Hands down the best receiver (in college) to ever play at Notre Dame and that is with all due respect intended to Tim Brown... Floyd was the perfect combination of big, fast and physical and he was like a vacuum anytime the ball was in his area. He caught passes from 3 starting quarterbacks during his time in South Bend and You could never question his tireless work ethic, productivity and clutch play.

Enjoy!

 
I know he struggled off the field, and I even called for him to be suspended for the season after the DUI incident (something I later waivered on significantly), but I often forget just how much of a pleasure it was watching him play during his 4 years in South Bend. Hands down the best receiver (in college) to ever play at Notre Dame and that is with all due respect intended to Tim Brown... Floyd was the perfect combination of big, fast and physical and he was like a vacuum anytime the ball was in his area. He caught passes from 3 starting quarterbacks during his time in South Bend and You could never question his tireless work ethic, productivity and clutch play.

Enjoy!


 
I know he struggled off the field, and I even called for him to be suspended for the season after the DUI incident (something I later waivered on significantly), but I often forget just how much of a pleasure it was watching him play during his 4 years in South Bend. Hands down the best receiver (in college) to ever play at Notre Dame and that is with all due respect intended to Tim Brown... Floyd was the perfect combination of big, fast and physical and he was like a vacuum anytime the ball was in his area. He caught passes from 3 starting quarterbacks during his time in South Bend and You could never question his tireless work ethic, productivity and clutch play.

Enjoy!

You do know that we played football prior to the Tim Brown era, right? Not to take anything away from TB or Michael Floyd.
 
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Modern training factored in, who holds most of the ND receiving records? That would be Michael Floyd.

ND has a wonderful history of elite players and teams, but name me another wide receiver that was 6'3, 220lbs, ran a laser timed 4.47, and had a 37" vertical... In the process, set nearly every ND receiving record, could make guys miss like he was the size of Will Fuller, run defenders over like Anthony Fasano and high point the ball like Tyler Eifert... That was Michael Floyd. The reason he was a top 10 pick in the NFL draft.

Again, with complete respect the pantheon of receivers that represented ND on an elite level at ND, none of them (Tim Brown aside) could hold Floyd's jockstrap relative to the type of machine that Floyd was in South Bend. Watch the highlights and compare his overall skill set to any of the other players (loved Tate, Shark, Givens, Mayes, Rocket, etc, etc)... When you build a prototype receiver on Madden, he basically is Michael Floyd. Just a specimen.
 
We shouldn't forget Tom Gatewood (6-2 and 203) either. Theismann to Gatewood... Touchdown Notre Dame. He was a great wide receiver at ND.

Don't know if you saw this video between Corey Robinson and Tom Gatewood from February, but its worth a watch.
 
Modern training factored in, who holds most of the ND receiving records? That would be Michael Floyd.

ND has a wonderful history of elite players and teams, but name me another wide receiver that was 6'3, 220lbs, ran a laser timed 4.47, and had a 37" vertical... In the process, set nearly every ND receiving record, could make guys miss like he was the size of Will Fuller, run defenders over like Anthony Fasano and high point the ball like Tyler Eifert... That was Michael Floyd. The reason he was a top 10 pick in the NFL draft.

Again, with complete respect the pantheon of receivers that represented ND on an elite level at ND, none of them (Tim Brown aside) could hold Floyd's jockstrap relative to the type of machine that Floyd was in South Bend. Watch the highlights and compare his overall skill set to any of the other players (loved Tate, Shark, Givens, Mayes, Rocket, etc, etc)... When you build a prototype receiver on Madden, he basically is Michael Floyd. Just a specimen.

Factoid: blackbelt Kris Haines could dismantle all of them....
 
Michael Floyd

271 career receptions, 3689 yards, 13.6 yards per reception, 37 touchdowns... Just an incredibly productive career from an unbelievable athlete. His 100 catch senior year was clinical!
 
Wouldn't surprise me if that's true!
Unbelievably great guy.... Incredibly lethal.... focused and fast....if there was any guy that was not going to let that ball slip through his hands in the '78 Cotton Bowl it was him. That catch under the conditions was a feat. He used to hang around a lot with walk on Leo Driscoll. Factoid: When Leo caught his only career pass in our last home game his senior year the place went bonkers. The students were howling for him. Devine was good that way....
 
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that regardless of how they stack up, neither Brown, nor Seymour, nor Gatewood would have any interest in doing anything whatsoever with Michael Floyd's jockstrap.
 
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IIO why do you start this stuff? Every once in a while you go off the reservation. Does that come from playing quarterback?[smile]
 
IIO why do you start this stuff? Every once in a while you go off the reservation. Does that come from playing quarterback?[smile]

Hahahha Gael, I'm not quite sure my man. I think my insanity resides somewhere amongst "outrageous political views"... For example....

1). I believe in socialism as far as education, social welfare and universal healthcare because I've seen it produce successful results around the world.

2). I believe in federally funded, national institutions, because I don't think it's beneficial to society for there to be private prisons, for example, because when people can financially benefit from the ability to exploit people, they will.

3). I believe in having guns. I like guns... To hunt with. My family have been responsible gun owners for generations. I don't ever proclaim to own a gun out of defense. I own it as a killing tool. I simply use it in a legally mandated way and all of our guns a securely locked away and difficult to access for the sake of children or potential thieves.

4). I believe in becoming as financially secure as possible, without the direct exploitation of others. I've worked as many as three jobs at one time in order to accumulate as much wealth as possible. I don't do it because I'm greedy or because I enjoy money in the least. I do it because our society runs on wealth and I'm happy to play the hand I'm dealt, but I'll play it to the best of my ability... And for that record, I'm happy to see others who don't play it as well as I do, still have some success if they're willing to try. For that reason, I believe in a quality minimum wage, and no I do not believe in the virtual insanity that is trickle down politics. Great theory. They forgot that greed factor though, which seems to be woven into human society (and some would human character).... Oh, and I think it's ludicrous to suggest that people should be additionally taxed on inheritance as some would suggest should be the case.

5). I happen to believe in religion! Do I think I'm going to see you in Heaven someday Gael? Nope! That's why I prefer to talk to you now. I don't know how much longer we have. I do, however, believe in the spirit of Christianity (for example) and the inclusiveness and love that it promotes when it's not being exploited or abused, as well as the comfort and positive energy it can provide someone in a time of need... Picture a real, version of The Force. My belief is that religion can be used for the good or for the evil. I'd simply rather be aligned Obi Wan Kenobi than Darth Vader :)

6). Racism is real. We do our best not to talk about it, but it exists, as it has since the dawn of time. Preaching tolerance of other people and their beliefs is the same as saying "I don't like it, but I'm not going to say anything about it.... To your face."... Screw tolerance. If you have a problem, work through it, don't mask it or deny deny it.

7). I'm "Pro Choice" and proud of it... What I'm not proud of is how often the "Pro Choice" community are negligent, leading to a scenario in which said "Choice" is forced to be made. We're a irresponsible society in the west... Do friggen better.

8). Iraq was bullshit. I'm ashamed of my country for leaving Afghasnistan when we did. I thought it was a conflict we were justified in supporting you guys in, but I don't believe in creating a mess and not sticking around to help clean it up. Unbelievable in my opinion.

9). Screw any trade policy such as NAFTA or TPP that put Canadians and Americans at a massive trade disadvantage because we don't do things like Intentionally devaluing our currency... If other countries want to cheat the system, fine. Lets not cheat ourselves so that a few people who have the wealth to buy any material thing in this world, have more, in case they have to buy a second, while they knowingly screw the people who couldn't dream of obtaining the first.

10. Define too much wealth?... To each their own. But I can define what leads to obtaining too much wealth. When you've lost sight of your relationship with your fellow human beings and are willing to instead obsess and even worship a man made system of monetary value. People who share a heartbeat with you, cannot be less important that turning 9 zeros into 10, or 10 into 11... That's sick.

11. Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you.

Just a couple of my "all over the place" political views that would make a topic of controversy and independence, I'm sure...

Point is... I look at ND football the same way. I'm as big a fan as anyone. I actually worked somewhat affiliated to the team for a short while. That said, I'm nowhere near an ND purist and I'm not of the crowd that believes everything great ND did happened in or before 1988.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I'm happy to respect their opinion. Great debate is healthy!..

So I maintain that outside of Tim Brown, none of the other guys on the list could touch Michael Floyd. Just a man among a group of ultra talented boys. A combination of genetics, modern training, incredible work ethic, and the will to be great at his craft!

How's that post for a little satire and controversy my friend? :)
 
Modern training factored in, who holds most of the ND receiving records? That would be Michael Floyd.

ND has a wonderful history of elite players and teams, but name me another wide receiver that was 6'3, 220lbs, ran a laser timed 4.47, and had a 37" vertical... In the process, set nearly every ND receiving record, could make guys miss like he was the size of Will Fuller, run defenders over like Anthony Fasano and high point the ball like Tyler Eifert... That was Michael Floyd. The reason he was a top 10 pick in the NFL draft.

Again, with complete respect the pantheon of receivers that represented ND on an elite level at ND, none of them (Tim Brown aside) could hold Floyd's jockstrap relative to the type of machine that Floyd was in South Bend. Watch the highlights and compare his overall skill set to any of the other players (loved Tate, Shark, Givens, Mayes, Rocket, etc, etc)... When you build a prototype receiver on Madden, he basically is Michael Floyd. Just a specimen.
Whats more impressive is that turnover tommy was his qb the last 2 years lol
 
I know he struggled off the field, and I even called for him to be suspended for the season after the DUI incident (something I later waivered on significantly), but I often forget just how much of a pleasure it was watching him play during his 4 years in South Bend. Hands down the best receiver (in college) to ever play at Notre Dame and that is with all due respect intended to Tim Brown... Floyd was the perfect combination of big, fast and physical and he was like a vacuum anytime the ball was in his area. He caught passes from 3 starting quarterbacks during his time in South Bend and You could never question his tireless work ethic, productivity and clutch play.

Enjoy!

hands down ? i will strongly agree to disagree. while i agree that from a physical standpoint floyd has the advantage that's where it ends for me. the statistics as always only tell a small part of the story. totally different eras and offenses. brown was a much more polished receiver when it came to route running. really soft hands who caught the ball as well as anyone in traffic. after the catch there is no comparison. i watched tim brown up close and personal when we played at nd in 87. so smooth with moves few possessed. much more versatile than floyd also. kind of like debating two excellent restaurants though, a no lose.
 
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Hahahha Gael, I'm not quite sure my man. I think my insanity resides somewhere amongst "outrageous political views"... For example....

1). I believe in socialism as far as education, social welfare and universal healthcare because I've seen it produce successful results around the world.

2). I believe in federally funded, national institutions, because I don't think it's beneficial to society for there to be private prisons, for example, because when people can financially benefit from the ability to exploit people, they will.

3). I believe in having guns. I like guns... To hunt with. My family have been responsible gun owners for generations. I don't ever proclaim to own a gun out of defense. I own it as a killing tool. I simply use it in a legally mandated way and all of our guns a securely locked away and difficult to access for the sake of children or potential thieves.

4). I believe in becoming as financially secure as possible, without the direct exploitation of others. I've worked as many as three jobs at one time in order to accumulate as much wealth as possible. I don't do it because I'm greedy or because I enjoy money in the least. I do it because our society runs on wealth and I'm happy to play the hand I'm dealt, but I'll play it to the best of my ability... And for that record, I'm happy to see others who don't play it as well as I do, still have some success if they're willing to try. For that reason, I believe in a quality minimum wage, and no I do not believe in the virtual insanity that is trickle down politics. Great theory. They forgot that greed factor though, which seems to be woven into human society (and some would human character).... Oh, and I think it's ludicrous to suggest that people should be additionally taxed on inheritance as some would suggest should be the case.

5). I happen to believe in religion! Do I think I'm going to see you in Heaven someday Gael? Nope! That's why I prefer to talk to you now. I don't know how much longer we have. I do, however, believe in the spirit of Christianity (for example) and the inclusiveness and love that it promotes when it's not being exploited or abused, as well as the comfort and positive energy it can provide someone in a time of need... Picture a real, version of The Force. My belief is that religion can be used for the good or for the evil. I'd simply rather be aligned Obi Wan Kenobi than Darth Vader :)

6). Racism is real. We do our best not to talk about it, but it exists, as it has since the dawn of time. Preaching tolerance of other people and their beliefs is the same as saying "I don't like it, but I'm not going to say anything about it.... To your face."... Screw tolerance. If you have a problem, work through it, don't mask it or deny deny it.

7). I'm "Pro Choice" and proud of it... What I'm not proud of is how often the "Pro Choice" community are negligent, leading to a scenario in which said "Choice" is forced to be made. We're a irresponsible society in the west... Do friggen better.

8). Iraq was bullshit. I'm ashamed of my country for leaving Afghasnistan when we did. I thought it was a conflict we were justified in supporting you guys in, but I don't believe in creating a mess and not sticking around to help clean it up. Unbelievable in my opinion.

9). Screw any trade policy such as NAFTA or TPP that put Canadians and Americans at a massive trade disadvantage because we don't do things like Intentionally devaluing our currency... If other countries want to cheat the system, fine. Lets not cheat ourselves so that a few people who have the wealth to buy any material thing in this world, have more, in case they have to buy a second, while they knowingly screw the people who couldn't dream of obtaining the first.

10. Define too much wealth?... To each their own. But I can define what leads to obtaining too much wealth. When you've lost sight of your relationship with your fellow human beings and are willing to instead obsess and even worship a man made system of monetary value. People who share a heartbeat with you, cannot be less important that turning 9 zeros into 10, or 10 into 11... That's sick.

11. Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you.

Just a couple of my "all over the place" political views that would make a topic of controversy and independence, I'm sure...

Point is... I look at ND football the same way. I'm as big a fan as anyone. I actually worked somewhat affiliated to the team for a short while. That said, I'm nowhere near an ND purist and I'm not of the crowd that believes everything great ND did happened in or before 1988.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I'm happy to respect their opinion. Great debate is healthy!..

So I maintain that outside of Tim Brown, none of the other guys on the list could touch Michael Floyd. Just a man among a group of ultra talented boys. A combination of genetics, modern training, incredible work ethic, and the will to be great at his craft!

How's that post for a little satire and controversy my friend? :)
At this hour of the morning it sounds a little like Bernie Sanders on Speed! My only reply is That I believe for every drop of rain that falls a flower dies... err a child cries err.... I mean.... Where have all the flowers gone? [yikes!]
 
Golden Tate deserves more than a fleeting mention amongst others in this thread
 
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hands down ? i will strongly agree to disagree. while i agree that from a physical standpoint floyd has the advantage that's where it ends for me. the statistics as always only tell a small part of the story. totally different eras and offenses. brown was a much more polished receiver when it came to route running. really soft hands who caught the ball as well as anyone in traffic. after the catch there is no comparison. i watched tim brown up close and personal when we played at nd in 87. so smooth with moves few possessed. much more versatile than floyd also. kind of like debating two excellent restaurants though, a no lose.

Hey there we go! Love the explanation Echo. I'll concede that Brown was a wonderful route runner, and better in that area than Floyd. I don't necessarily think Brown was better after the catch though. Two things. First of all, I feel like Floyd was under utilized in the short game because of his devestating ability to get open, deep down field (or out jump you even if he wasn't). Secondly, simply going through his highlights, there are two things that I'm reminded of. For a big man, Floyd could make guys miss and his speed was under appreciated and real. I remember the Washington game when he took a hitch screen, made both defenders miss on the perimeter and went to the house. It wasn't fair for a guy his size to be able to do that. The other thing that was apparent was how many yards after contact Floyd got, which is a statistic we often associate with or credit to running backs, but in Floyd's case it was applicable as well. He was a bull. He almost always fell forward for a couple extra yards and nobody was better at turning 6 yards into 9-10 yards. He also as a number of plays in his career where he went up for a contested ball against a corner, high pointed the ball, won the battle pushed the corner off of him and continued for the touchdown, in a scenario where most wide receivers, at best, catch the ball and fall down.

Floyd's strength made him a huge weapon after the catch.
 
Michael Floyd

271 career receptions, 3689 yards, 13.6 yards per reception, 37 touchdowns... Just an incredibly productive career from an unbelievable athlete. His 100 catch senior year was clinical!

Not included in his stats is the number of possible ints. he turned into receptions. imo Brown was more electric and could beat you in more ways. If I had to pick one or the other I'd take Brown for his versatility.
 
Not included in his stats is the number of possible ints. he turned into receptions. imo Brown was more electric and could beat you in more ways. If I had to pick one or the other I'd take Brown for his versatility.
agreed. great kick returner and very effective running the ball on occasion. did we just agree ? wow.
 
Brown, Mayes, Givens, Tate, Shark... ND has had some fantastic wide receivers, all of whom deserve mention. I wish it were possible to teleport Tim Brown to 2011 and Michael Floyd back to 1988... Modern day training aside, Floyd would have feasted on many of the athletes Brown faced. How many 6'3, 220-225lb receivers were running 4.4 then?
 
Brown, Mayes, Givens, Tate, Shark... ND has had some fantastic wide receivers, all of whom deserve mention. I wish it were possible to teleport Tim Brown to 2011 and Michael Floyd back to 1988... Modern day training aside, Floyd would have feasted on many of the athletes Brown faced. How many 6'3, 220-225lb receivers were running 4.4 then?
sometimes I have questions about .............
 
Hahahha Gael, I'm not quite sure my man. I think my insanity resides somewhere amongst "outrageous political views"... For example....

1). I believe in socialism as far as education, social welfare and universal healthcare because I've seen it produce successful results around the world.

2). I believe in federally funded, national institutions, because I don't think it's beneficial to society for there to be private prisons, for example, because when people can financially benefit from the ability to exploit people, they will.

3). I believe in having guns. I like guns... To hunt with. My family have been responsible gun owners for generations. I don't ever proclaim to own a gun out of defense. I own it as a killing tool. I simply use it in a legally mandated way and all of our guns a securely locked away and difficult to access for the sake of children or potential thieves.

4). I believe in becoming as financially secure as possible, without the direct exploitation of others. I've worked as many as three jobs at one time in order to accumulate as much wealth as possible. I don't do it because I'm greedy or because I enjoy money in the least. I do it because our society runs on wealth and I'm happy to play the hand I'm dealt, but I'll play it to the best of my ability... And for that record, I'm happy to see others who don't play it as well as I do, still have some success if they're willing to try. For that reason, I believe in a quality minimum wage, and no I do not believe in the virtual insanity that is trickle down politics. Great theory. They forgot that greed factor though, which seems to be woven into human society (and some would human character).... Oh, and I think it's ludicrous to suggest that people should be additionally taxed on inheritance as some would suggest should be the case.

5). I happen to believe in religion! Do I think I'm going to see you in Heaven someday Gael? Nope! That's why I prefer to talk to you now. I don't know how much longer we have. I do, however, believe in the spirit of Christianity (for example) and the inclusiveness and love that it promotes when it's not being exploited or abused, as well as the comfort and positive energy it can provide someone in a time of need... Picture a real, version of The Force. My belief is that religion can be used for the good or for the evil. I'd simply rather be aligned Obi Wan Kenobi than Darth Vader :)

6). Racism is real. We do our best not to talk about it, but it exists, as it has since the dawn of time. Preaching tolerance of other people and their beliefs is the same as saying "I don't like it, but I'm not going to say anything about it.... To your face."... Screw tolerance. If you have a problem, work through it, don't mask it or deny deny it.

7). I'm "Pro Choice" and proud of it... What I'm not proud of is how often the "Pro Choice" community are negligent, leading to a scenario in which said "Choice" is forced to be made. We're a irresponsible society in the west... Do friggen better.

8). Iraq was bullshit. I'm ashamed of my country for leaving Afghasnistan when we did. I thought it was a conflict we were justified in supporting you guys in, but I don't believe in creating a mess and not sticking around to help clean it up. Unbelievable in my opinion.

9). Screw any trade policy such as NAFTA or TPP that put Canadians and Americans at a massive trade disadvantage because we don't do things like Intentionally devaluing our currency... If other countries want to cheat the system, fine. Lets not cheat ourselves so that a few people who have the wealth to buy any material thing in this world, have more, in case they have to buy a second, while they knowingly screw the people who couldn't dream of obtaining the first.

10. Define too much wealth?... To each their own. But I can define what leads to obtaining too much wealth. When you've lost sight of your relationship with your fellow human beings and are willing to instead obsess and even worship a man made system of monetary value. People who share a heartbeat with you, cannot be less important that turning 9 zeros into 10, or 10 into 11... That's sick.

11. Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you.

Just a couple of my "all over the place" political views that would make a topic of controversy and independence, I'm sure...

Point is... I look at ND football the same way. I'm as big a fan as anyone. I actually worked somewhat affiliated to the team for a short while. That said, I'm nowhere near an ND purist and I'm not of the crowd that believes everything great ND did happened in or before 1988.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I'm happy to respect their opinion. Great debate is healthy!..

So I maintain that outside of Tim Brown, none of the other guys on the list could touch Michael Floyd. Just a man among a group of ultra talented boys. A combination of genetics, modern training, incredible work ethic, and the will to be great at his craft!

How's that post for a little satire and controversy my friend? :)

It is hypocritical for far leftwingers like yourself to preach Socialism (redistribution of wealth) unless they give there money away.

Pro choice and proud. Must be grand to say who lives and who dies (the unborn become born) So as long as your Mother did not abort you everything is fine ?

Legal gun ownership protects citizens from criminals. Criminals will get guns illegally. Why make honest citizens criminals ? That is fascist.

*** I don't use guns to kill animals for sport (that is your right)
I hope I don't have to use my guns at all but if I have the right to protect my family from criminals who intend to do them harm
I think it is cowardice for a man to be afraid to kill someone who intends to do harm to their family. IMHO.

*** I believe that capitalism is far superior to socialism or communism.

“It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest. We address ourselves not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities, but of their advantages”
Adam Smith

Socialism is morally wrong. Forcing someone to give away what belongs to them to others is just stealing--- We are already taxed way to much.
Why punish entreprenuers and innovators--- They actually create jobs and hire people

Minimum wage kills jobs for the young and increases unemployment. It also puts up the prices you pay for everything.

Private prisons are much more efficient than government run prisons.
Also we have so many violent prisoners because of welfare.

*** Bill Clinton put out a bill that put violent repeat offenders behind bars which cut down on violent crime but increased the prison population.
I would rather have a higher prison population than a higher crime rate.

I would go along with decriminalizing small amounts of drugs for personal use-- that could cut down on prisoners. But many drug addicts commit crimes to get their drugs.
 
It is hypocritical for far leftwingers like yourself to preach Socialism (redistribution of wealth) unless they give there money away.

Pro choice and proud. Must be grand to say who lives and who dies (the unborn become born) So as long as your Mother did not abort you everything is fine ?

Legal gun ownership protects citizens from criminals. Criminals will get guns illegally. Why make honest citizens criminals ? That is fascist.

*** I don't use guns to kill animals for sport (that is your right)
I hope I don't have to use my guns at all but if I have the right to protect my family from criminals who intend to do them harm
I think it is cowardice for a man to be afraid to kill someone who intends to do harm to their family. IMHO.

*** I believe that capitalism is far superior to socialism or communism.

“It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest. We address ourselves not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities, but of their advantages”
Adam Smith

Socialism is morally wrong. Forcing someone to give away what belongs to them to others is just stealing--- We are already taxed way to much.
Why punish entreprenuers and innovators--- They actually create jobs and hire people

Minimum wage kills jobs for the young and increases unemployment. It also puts up the prices you pay for everything.

Private prisons are much more efficient than government run prisons.
Also we have so many violent prisoners because of welfare.

*** Bill Clinton put out a bill that put violent repeat offenders behind bars which cut down on violent crime but increased the prison population.
I would rather have a higher prison population than a higher crime rate.

I would go along with decriminalizing small amounts of drugs for personal use-- that could cut down on prisoners. But many drug addicts commit crimes to get their drugs.

I appreciate your thoughts Bodi, and you and I clearly disagree, but there is nothing wrong with that.

1. I'm not making any choice about who lives and dies. I'm not forcing abortions on anyone. Very interestingly, there are many "pro choice" countries that have far fewer (per capita) abortions performed each year than the United States, despite a large segment of your population being largely agains them. I'd rather belong to a community that preaches responsibility and focuses on not getting into that predicament in the first place, where that difficult decision needs to be made. Regardless, I'm not about to apologize for my beliefs (and I don't expect you to either). I find it ironic it, however. That many on the right want the government to play as little of a role in their lives as possible, yet would like to enforce a law that places the government firmly into the lives of of thousands of women each year. Never has never made sense to me outside of a religious narrative. So long as the government doesn't tell you what to do all is fine?

2. I have zero issue with your stance on guns. I firmly believe that gun access is not the issue in America... My opinion (and it probably is not a popular one) is that the issue with gun violence in America has to do with the fact a higher percentage of Americans that other people from highly industrialized countries are simply violent people. You have a militaristic culture that is rampant throughout your country. The same thought process that allows billionaires to put their fellow countrymen out of work in favour of people that share nothing in common with them (except connection through species) to make more billions, is that same culture that allows people to selfishly take people's lives for their own selfish reasons. America just has angry people and angry places. Granted, they are still the vast minority, but in all my travels I've never experienced a more aggressive culture in a first world country. JMO.

3. We disgree on socialism to an extent. I don't believe in a strict socialist system, I believe in socialist programs for healthcare and education, because I think they are paramount to be safety and progress of the country. We have a single payer universal healthcare system, we spend about 1/3 the amount on healthcare that you guys do each year, in just about every facet the healthcare is as good (or better). Canadians live longer than Americans, the cost is far less significant (1/3 of your cost), and there is no discrepancy between the wait times for emergency or necessary procedures. The only difference here is that Canadians have a longer wait for non-essential and elective procedures... We trade that for your 45,000 people who die each year without health care or because they can't afford the premiums. I'll take that trade.

Our soclialist education system continues to shine and we don't have shitty inner city schools that have no funding, or bankrupt school boards like in Detroit. American children (by any study, including American ones) are far behind their Canadian counterparts in terms of education and still, our system is FAR cheaper and more sustainable than yours.

4. You have zero proof that your private prisons are more efficient than nationally ran prisons. Countries around the world successfully run federally funded prisons at a much cheaper cost than you do in the United States. You guys just suck at implementing things at the Federal level for the benefit of the country. The bills gets so bastardized and become so convoluted that they end up being horrible in their implementation.

5. I fully understand your desire to have guns to defend yourself. If I lived in an aggressive, angry, militarized (in some instances) culture like you do, where there is extreme poverty, heavy racial overtones, desperate people and inner cities that reflect third world climates, I'd ant to be armed to the teeth as well... I feel safe where I live, so I've never needed a gun for protection. We have different experiences.

6. Capitolism kicks ass! That doesn't mean there isn't a place for some socialist programs within it in my opinion. I don't want to take people's money. I don't think it's right to raise taxes on the wealthy simply to get the country out of trouble... With that said, we pay much higher than average taxes in order to ensure that our children (not just my children, which I don't have yet) have great public education, that the infrastructure of our country stays intact and that our healthcare stays consistent and cutting edge... Regardless, I'll likely be Millionaire (in terms of savings, not yearly earnings) by time I'm 40 and Fingers crossed that I'll be retired by 55 and enjoying some grandchildren. I don't want to see people paying 60% and 70% in taxes, that's asinine and just an excuse to pay off a billion dollar a day war that strapped your economy in the long run.

Again though, Calitolism and Sociliasm in synchronicity have been good to my family and many families like mine. I'm also happy, however, that our contributions to the country (through taxes and through compassion for our fellow countrymen) ensure that the vast, vast, vast majority of people in the country who may not ever have what I have, still enjoy a healthcare system they can rely on, a education system that isn't stacked against them, and a standard of living that is respectable in a first world country... Go figure that a happier country, with people that look after their own, have nowhere near the systemic violence that can be found in America.

Happy to disagree with you Bodi. Doesn't change my opinion on you as a person one bit... Differing viewpoints are great in my opinion. Could discuss the positives and negatives of political systems all day!

Check this quick video out for me... And I'd be happy to do the same of anything you direct me towards. I think it's interesting and I'd like your opinion on it.

 
Back to your original post , Where does Mike Floyd keep his Heisman? Is it in the closet with his all pro selection memorabilia? See the are two sides[at least] to comparing careers from different eras.
 
Golden Tate deserves more than a fleeting mention amongst others in this thread
Agree. All three, however, were great receivers, albeit from different eras. Impossible to say which was the best as both Floyd and Brown were the best of their era.
 
Modern training factored in, who holds most of the ND receiving records? That would be Michael Floyd.

ND has a wonderful history of elite players and teams, but name me another wide receiver that was 6'3, 220lbs, ran a laser timed 4.47, and had a 37" vertical... In the process, set nearly every ND receiving record, could make guys miss like he was the size of Will Fuller, run defenders over like Anthony Fasano and high point the ball like Tyler Eifert... That was Michael Floyd. The reason he was a top 10 pick in the NFL draft.

Again, with complete respect the pantheon of receivers that represented ND on an elite level at ND, none of them (Tim Brown aside) could hold Floyd's jockstrap relative to the type of machine that Floyd was in South Bend. Watch the highlights and compare his overall skill set to any of the other players (loved Tate, Shark, Givens, Mayes, Rocket, etc, etc)... When you build a prototype receiver on Madden, he basically is Michael Floyd. Just a specimen.


I dont recall him going in the top ten?
 
Can't really disagree that Floyd is the best reciever ND has had. However, Tate and Smarjdia were also great and caught everything thrown their way. I think had Tim Brown played in a passing offense his numbers would have been much better.
 
I dont recall him going in the top ten?

He was picked # 13 in Round 1.

Factoid: Justin Blackmon WR Oklahoma State was picked before him at #5 by Jacksonville.

Tim Brown was the # 6 pick in 1988.

Brown was picked ahead of these other 1st round WR selections: Sterling Sharpe, Michael Irvin, Anthony Miller, Aaron Cox and Wendall Davis.
 
Physically beat the piss out of Miami in the Sun Bowl. He will always be one of my favorite Irish players.

Enjoy the one man beat down he put on the Canes that day.
 
I realize he may lack NFL stats, but how does a discussion about the greatest ND WR of all time not include the Rocket?
 
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