If Tucker was stupid enough to fall into this trap, he certainly isn't sharp enough to coach the team. Need a better decision maker to lead the team.
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There are two points that makes me question this fiasco. Strike while the iron is hot(Northwestern situation).
1 - Never rule out extortion as he was making bank. Tucker(complete idiot for putting himself in this position) admits it was consensual and just maybe she saw an opening to line her pocket knowing the recent past history of MSU.
2 - Don't rule out that MSU could be behind all this since they realized Mel wasn't what they thought he was and could save face and ton of $$$$ minus his contract.
Jason Whitlock wrote an interesting take on the Mel Tucker fiasco:
www.theblaze.com
A pox on all your houses.
Whitlock doesn't have a lot of nice things to say about any of the people involved.
Whitlock: No one will learn anything from Mel Tucker’s mistake | Blaze Media
There are no good guys or girls in the Mel Tucker saga. None.The rise and fall of the Michigan State football coach is a story about the complicated and disingenuous relationships between brand-builders, influencers, billionaires, and institutions.It’s a cautionary tale about the social media...
www.theblaze.com
A pox on all your houses.
Whitlock doesn't have a lot of nice things to say about any of the people involved.
Then you have the case of Auston Robertson, who sexually assaulted a coed and was sentenced to up to 10 years. An athletic recruiter, Curtis Blackwell, filed wrongful termination suit against MSU. He claimed he warned Coach Dantonio as did others to not sign the player due to his disciplary past. He was signed anyway...and then raped a woman. That was another mess for MSU, and the football program. Makes one wonder why Dantonio is back in any capacity, interim or otherwise? They should part company with all current and former head coaches and clean house. The lawsuits and bad ink will only get moreso unless they do.
Guy is innocent. Sad how people jump to guilty so quick
Sources: Harassment case targets MSU's Tucker
Michigan State football coach Mel Tucker is the subject of an ongoing university sexual harassment investigation, sources with knowledge of the pending case confirmed to ESPN, an inquiry that started months ago and remains open.www.espn.com
Bad look for sparty. Things have been downhill for Tucker and msu since osu destroyed them two years ago. Trying to sleep with a “sexual assault prevention advocate” in a professional setting probably isn’t the brightest idea…
The b___ is some kind of relationship professional which in itself is a bad joke and had over 30 long phone calls with Tucker. And now she Sue’s?
I think she might be lying about it being harassment or non consensual. Maybe not, but I wouldn’t be surprised. But he’s admitted to having a relationship with her. Which already shows bad judgement
I thought Jason Whitlock offered some good insights into the two protagonists.
Here is what Whitlock said about Brenda Tracy:
"Everyone involved in this story is a fraud. Tucker. Tracy. Michigan State. The billionaire boosters – Mat Ishbia and Steve St. Andre – who bankrolled Tucker’s payday. The media.
"Let’s start with Brenda Tracy. She gallivants around the country pretending to offer unique advice to young men on how to avoid sexual misconduct. She’s really just a traveling photo op for coaches seeking to immunize themselves from being accused of harboring a culture of rape. She’s #MeToo insurance. Like a good neighbor, Brenda Tracy is there for guilt-ridden coaches who want to masquerade as allies to feminists.
"Tracy accepts speaking engagements, honorary captain status, and a hefty fee in exchange for pictures and social media plugs. She builds brands — her own and whatever slimy coach or university is willing to pay. She’s no different from and just as useless as the diversity, equity, and inclusion executives universities employ as racism insurance.
"When confronted with Tucker’s misconduct, Brenda Tracy couldn’t find the strength or wisdom to hang up the phone on a married man pleasuring himself a thousand miles away. But for $10,000, she’ll lecture a football team on how to behave with the opposite sex. It’s a great scam.
"Tracy is a classic fraudulent feminist. She’s equal to men until the very moment that being inferior and weak benefits her. She set a trap for Mel Tucker. She tolerated his flirting and immorality as long as it financially benefited her."
Lest you think Whitlock was taking sides with Mel Tucker, here is what he had to say about him:
"Let me be clear: Mel Tucker is no victim. Not even close. At 51 years old, Tucker is the biggest fraud in this whole story. His coaching resume couldn’t be any more suspect. He had the good fortune of serving as a graduate assistant for Nick Saban at Michigan State in the late 1990s. The Saban brand opened doors for Tucker throughout football. He bounced from better job to better job, never staying anywhere longer than four years, never accomplishing all that much beyond providing a franchise or university with a whiff of diversity, equity, and inclusion.
"In 2019, he landed a head coaching job at Colorado. He won five games and lost seven. He turned that single season of mediocrity into a $33 million payday at Michigan State, more than doubling his salary. Two years later, after an 11-2 season and riding the wave of Black Lives Matter, he tripled his income.
"MSU showered Tucker with a 10-year deal worth $95 million. Two boosters – Ishbia and St. Andre – footed the bill. MSU wanted to make a statement about its investment in black coaches, and Ishbia and St. Andre wanted to make a statement about themselves.
"Out of fear of being labeled racist, the media was reluctant to question the sanity of the investment. With a career record of 16-14 at the time, Tucker became one of the highest-paid football coaches in history. Five months later, in April 2022, Tucker was in a hotel room late at night pleasuring himself while Tracy listened. Seven months after that, the Spartans wrapped up a 5-7 season that proved MSU and Tucker were in over their heads.
"And here we are today with Michigan State using Tracy to worm its way out of paying Tucker $95 million.
"Don’t feel sorry for anyone involved. They all deserve this. They’re all users looking for shortcuts to reputation enhancement."
Whitlock paints a pretty clear picture of the whole thing, I'd say. (And before anyone here gets feeling too high and mighty, remember that Brenda Tracy made a presentation to the ND football team back in 2019.)
Here is what Whitlock said about Brenda Tracy:
"Everyone involved in this story is a fraud. Tucker. Tracy. Michigan State. The billionaire boosters – Mat Ishbia and Steve St. Andre – who bankrolled Tucker’s payday. The media.
"Let’s start with Brenda Tracy. She gallivants around the country pretending to offer unique advice to young men on how to avoid sexual misconduct. She’s really just a traveling photo op for coaches seeking to immunize themselves from being accused of harboring a culture of rape. She’s #MeToo insurance. Like a good neighbor, Brenda Tracy is there for guilt-ridden coaches who want to masquerade as allies to feminists.
"Tracy accepts speaking engagements, honorary captain status, and a hefty fee in exchange for pictures and social media plugs. She builds brands — her own and whatever slimy coach or university is willing to pay. She’s no different from and just as useless as the diversity, equity, and inclusion executives universities employ as racism insurance.
"When confronted with Tucker’s misconduct, Brenda Tracy couldn’t find the strength or wisdom to hang up the phone on a married man pleasuring himself a thousand miles away. But for $10,000, she’ll lecture a football team on how to behave with the opposite sex. It’s a great scam.
"Tracy is a classic fraudulent feminist. She’s equal to men until the very moment that being inferior and weak benefits her. She set a trap for Mel Tucker. She tolerated his flirting and immorality as long as it financially benefited her."
Lest you think Whitlock was taking sides with Mel Tucker, here is what he had to say about him:
"Let me be clear: Mel Tucker is no victim. Not even close. At 51 years old, Tucker is the biggest fraud in this whole story. His coaching resume couldn’t be any more suspect. He had the good fortune of serving as a graduate assistant for Nick Saban at Michigan State in the late 1990s. The Saban brand opened doors for Tucker throughout football. He bounced from better job to better job, never staying anywhere longer than four years, never accomplishing all that much beyond providing a franchise or university with a whiff of diversity, equity, and inclusion.
"In 2019, he landed a head coaching job at Colorado. He won five games and lost seven. He turned that single season of mediocrity into a $33 million payday at Michigan State, more than doubling his salary. Two years later, after an 11-2 season and riding the wave of Black Lives Matter, he tripled his income.
"MSU showered Tucker with a 10-year deal worth $95 million. Two boosters – Ishbia and St. Andre – footed the bill. MSU wanted to make a statement about its investment in black coaches, and Ishbia and St. Andre wanted to make a statement about themselves.
"Out of fear of being labeled racist, the media was reluctant to question the sanity of the investment. With a career record of 16-14 at the time, Tucker became one of the highest-paid football coaches in history. Five months later, in April 2022, Tucker was in a hotel room late at night pleasuring himself while Tracy listened. Seven months after that, the Spartans wrapped up a 5-7 season that proved MSU and Tucker were in over their heads.
"And here we are today with Michigan State using Tracy to worm its way out of paying Tucker $95 million.
"Don’t feel sorry for anyone involved. They all deserve this. They’re all users looking for shortcuts to reputation enhancement."
Whitlock paints a pretty clear picture of the whole thing, I'd say. (And before anyone here gets feeling too high and mighty, remember that Brenda Tracy made a presentation to the ND football team back in 2019.)
The media was VERY skeptical of the wisdom of signing Mel to such a huge contract extension before two seasons were complete. Whitlock is talking out of his ass concerning that point.
I can’t tell you how many people have bad judgement. Not enough room in the inn. Sure, but his cheating on his wife and what he does in his personal life is no business of msu unless it compromises the university. As it stands now, he may have on hell of a lawsuit against msu and will likely win against the woman as well. There is no way to justify over 30 phone calls between them and then she decides to sue?
MSU has a history of mismanagement and lack of oversight with the athletic dept where misconduct and moral turpitude are involved...up to and including criminal conduct. This preceeds Mel Tucker and includes hiring him in the first place....mismanagement. Personallly I think he checked the boxes. His resume' was lacking for a program of that stature. This was a hire that they had to get right....and failed. My thought is that Tucker needs to go....but so does the AD who hired him. Due diligence was apparently an afterthought. The athletic dept at MSU is a cesspool. Simply replacing the football coach...which needs to happen....isn't enough.
Exemption for Joe Biden and Co. Sorry
Yup
Ski, you raise the $75 million question: do Tucker's actions compromise MSU? From what I have read, Tucker has a morals clause in his contract that provides Tucker may be terminated for cause if he “engages in any conduct which constitutes moral turpitude or which, in the university’s reasonable judgment, would tend to bring public disrespect, contempt or ridicule upon the university.” I can see the university's lawyers arguing his conduct has triggered that clause, so that MSU can terminate him and owe him nothing more on his contract. I expect Tucker's lawyers will argue, on the other hand, that Tucker pleasuring himself during phone sex with a university vendor does not rise to the level of "moral turpitude." Tucker's trouble will be the word "or" in that clause. While his conduct may not constitute moral turpitude, MSU can argue he has brought public disrespect or ridicule upon the university. (Cynics will argue that isn't possible after the Larry Nassar scandal.) Stay tuned. My prediction is that Tucker will be terminated and MSU and Tucker will work out some compromise short of paying him the full remaining sum of his contract, but Tucker will not walk away with nothing. In any case, it seems possible to me, if not likely, that Tucker's coaching career is now finished. He will be just too hot to touch, much like Art Briles. Tucker's bad behavior isn't on the same level as what Briles did, but it will be hard for a university to overcome the image problem created by hiring him.
Kookaid
Great post. I agree with your assessment n prediction Tucker is a loser. Tracy is bogus. This story needs to go away because no one has any interest or empathy for them. A stuffy has no conscience
Dublin
Outstanding post. Here’s a question for the board
Jason Whitlock. I am baffled by this guy because —. And I could be mistaken —. I thought I remember him earlier in his career being one of those racist black supporters who took extreme positions and was hard for me to tolerate. Now, I find him and just about everything he says to be spot on and make sense. I like him
So my question is —. Am I wrong n mistaken about him being one type of guy early and a different more reasonable guy now?
Anybody have similar recollections? Or maybe I’m sniffing glue
It is amazing that MSU put themselves in this position after multiple, high profile and egregious scandals. Who is driving that train? They cannot clean this up without a total sterilization.
I feel like he’s one of those writers who always took the less popular take. 15+ years ago, saying something was racist was actually somewhat edgy, and would attract a lot of attention. Now that the mainstream media has weaponized racism and sexism uses it to explain every situation possible, it’s more of a controversial take to speak out against the woke crap, so he’s embraced that side.
I didn't really follow Whitlock when he was at ESPN. I recall taking an initial dislike to him because he took a hard position against ND when it fired Ty Willingham. He doubled down on that after ND gave a long contract extension to Charlie Weis in the wake of Willingham's termination. It was then Whitlock went after ND for being racist, because he believed there was no way ND would have done the same thing for Willingham (or for any black coach). Willingham and Weis had similar records, yet one got sacked and the other got a contract extension.
While Whitlock didn't think Willingham's discharge was racist, he thought it was unfair in light of the treatment ND gave to Gerry Faust and Bob Davie. They were bad coaches who got to serve out the full term of their contracts. Wiliingham was not given that same treatment. To me there was an obvious difference between those situations. Faust was a bad coach, but he loved ND and gave the job his all. Davie was also a bad coach, but he at least put some effort into the job. Willingham was a bad fit for ND and, if the stories circualating at the time are to be believed, he wasn't a particularly hard worker. The fact that Willingham went up to Washington after his ND job and failed miserably there--his Washington teams were 11-37, including a 0-12 record in 2008--vindicates the conclusion that Willingham was just not a very good head football coach.
I put the blame for Willingham's hire on Kevin White. After the George O'Leary fiasco, I think White wanted to make a "statement" hire, and WIllingham was chosen because he checked the boxes on some demographics. But I don't think White did his due diligence on whether WIllingham was truly a good fit for ND. It became obvious after a couple of years that he was not. Willingham just never bought into ND, and if the stories are true, his wife strongly disliked her time in South Bend.
But I digress about the point you make about Jason Whitlock. For a long time I just dismissed him because of his take on the Ty Willingham situation. Lately, however, I find myself in agreement with some of his opinion pieces. He has expressed skepticism, if not disdain, on wokeism, BLM, DEI, and transgender men playing women's sports, and he has expressed his opinions on those topics in strong terms. Nobody can accuse him of pulling his punches.
As he has gotten older I suppose Whitlock's world view had evolved, as mine has. This brings to mind Mark Twain's famous quote about your perspective on life changing as you age: “When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much he had learned in seven years.”
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He did. The clause about conduct detrimental to the universities reputation is pretty "grey" and will be hard to win a case in court to get his money back.
He's a dummy, she's a clown and a fraud. Hopefully this ends her parade of milking universities for 10k-20k a pop to flirt with student athletes and their coaches.
According to the CBS article, it never occurred to her that she could hang up the phone.
Wow. if you run away from a murderer you may not yet have evidence, because he won't be a murderer.
They will settle.
Tucker's wife is a lawyer.....that is a settlement waiting to happen as well. Can't help but think future news about Mel Tucker will not be positive.
Exhibit A why Whitlocks article is now a controversial take
deadspin.com
Don’t question the narrative guys, it’s science! You can’t make this shit up
I still blame Mel for putting himself in that situation. This is a woman who’s made a name, career, and fortune being a victims. She also has crazy eyes. Men are supposed to learn at a young age to avoid women like this. Plus he was cheating on his wife which shouldn’t be condoned.
Deadspin | Here's why victims of sexual trauma often don't fight back
Deadspin | Here's why victims of sexual trauma often don't fight back
deadspin.com
Don’t question the narrative guys, it’s science! You can’t make this shit up
I still blame Mel for putting himself in that situation. This is a woman who’s made a name, career, and fortune being a victims. She also has crazy eyes. Men are supposed to learn at a young age to avoid women like this. Plus he was cheating on his wife which shouldn’t be condoned.
That article assaulted me. Talk about putting the spin in deadspin. If she's still that much of a "helpless victim" then how in the hell is she getting paid $$$ to be an advocate?Exhibit A why Whitlocks article is now a controversial take
Deadspin | Here's why victims of sexual trauma often don't fight back
Deadspin | Here's why victims of sexual trauma often don't fight back
Don’t question the narrative guys, it’s science! You can’t make this shit up
I still blame Mel for putting himself in that situation. This is a woman who’s made a name, career, and fortune being a victims. She also has crazy eyes. Men are supposed to learn at a young age to avoid women like this. Plus he was cheating on his wife which shouldn’t be condoned.
Tucker was vetted by MSU the same way migrants are being vetted at the border. They asked for this mess.
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For once we’re in total agreement !
Evidently no one learned anything from the Duke rape case !
You completely misstated and misrepresented Tucker’s statement.
Tucker never admitted to committing a criminal act !
Tucker admitted to a consensual affair with that woman.
“Bad behavior” isn‘t all equal, there are degrees of “Bad behavior”, some is harmless, some is egregious and you’re a fool you don’t draw a distinction between the two.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone !
What? The Duke rape case is a bad comparison. That case involved false criminal rape charges brought by a rogue prosecutor who was later disbarred for unethical misconduct in the case. The Tucker situation isn't remotely equivalent; it involves allegations of sexual harassment--those are civil claims, not criminal charges--brought against the MSU head football coach by a university vendor. Tucker has not disputed the fact that he engaged in the behavior that is at issue; he merely asserts it was consensual, not predatory. And of course he is mostly angry that his bad behavior became public. That is really what this is all about. To be clear, I am not buying what Brenda Tracy is selling, but I don't think this is anywhere near as egregious as the Duke lacrosse players case. Not even close.
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Why is it bad behavior ?
Do you know the intimate details of his marital situation ?
You obviously missed the point that Golson5 and I were making, which was that today, accusations inherently presume guilt, whereas we think that the accused is innocent until PROVEN guilty !
You conflate the burden of proof in a criminal case with allegations made in a sexual harassment investigation. You apparently do not understand the difference. The two are not the same.
I am not presuming "guilt", but I take Tucker at his word when he did not deny that he masturbated during a call with the woman. If you feel that is appropriate behavior for the married head coach of a major university's football team, I cannot help you.
Tucker will be fired according to this ESPN story:
www.espn.com
Hardly a surprise, for the reasons I expressed in an earlier post on this thread.
Michigan St. tells Tucker it intends to fire him
Michigan State has begun the process of firing football coach Mel Tucker for cause amid an ongoing investigation into sexual harassment allegations.
Hardly a surprise, for the reasons I expressed in an earlier post on this thread.
Unlike you, I’m not prepared to condemn him without knowing all of the facts.
As to him being married, do you know if they have an open marriage ?
Do you know if his wife has had affairs ?
Do you know if his wife is currently engaged in an affair ?
Until you know ALL of the facts, don’t pass judgement !
What consenting adults do in private is their business and not the public’s business.
P.S. I don’t need your help !
What a mess and disgrace Michigan State has become. First Larry Nassar and now Mel Tucker. What a ****ing mess.
You will say anything and twist everything you can to try a prove a point, and the farther you go down that rabbit hole the more foolish you sound. You die on so many hills it’s quite disturbing.
You are too much. Quit with the straw man arguments. No, I don't know anything about Tucker's marital situation. Nor do I care. Nor is it any of my business. Nor am I "passing judgement (sic)" on the man. Nor did I condemn him. I merely commented on what I thought MSU would do in the situation. And guess what: my prediction was correct!
What consenting adults do in private is their own business in most circumstances, but I do not agree with that as an absolute statement. For example, were you ok with Bill Clinton getting a BJ in the oval office by a star-struck intern that was half his age? I didn't think it was an impeachable offense, but I certainly thought it was beneath the dignity of the Office of the President of the United States. But I guess you were OK with that?
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What I stated is 100 % accurate, you’re just too dumb to understand that one shouldn’t make a judgement without the facts at their disposal.
Perhaps your memory is so limited that you forgot about the Duke lacrosse team rap case
