Did Tucker deny it? Or talk around it ?
Just think it’s poor decision to be anywhere close to such a situation after the recent events there
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Just think it’s poor decision to be anywhere close to such a situation after the recent events there
GTFO here with your "woke" nonsense. I can remember Gary Moeller getting fired in 1994 simply for being drunk at a restaurant. Not drunk driving. Not any sort of altercation. Nothing illegal.
Simply for being drunk in public. While having a good winning percentage and being paid a fraction of what Tucker receives.
I missed that. So they had a sexual relationship and she ended it? And he pursued? Hmmmm
You conveniently left out the part of his wife battery at said incident!
No one is being "jailed".
After Izzo, he is the highest paid employee at the school. That comes with certain expectations. This has nothing to do with liberal/conservative politics.
Don't crap where you eat.......an age old principle. He exercised poor judgement on many levels. He used his position as head coach to "partner" with an outside "vender" in a professional setting. Then...he chose to impose his personal life and desires into the scheme of things. That was his choice. The results were predictable. That's on him. The university already has an image and culture problem to rehabilitate. They can retain him and live with the scrutiny and fallout....or they can remove him from the position and start over. I think they choose the latter.
Uh, huh. So you are saying his wife filed a charge? That he was arrested for battery?
Because struggling to get a drunk into a car when no one files battery charges is not usually considered "battery".
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Following Larry Nassar and Marc Dantonio who resigned, be smarter than that. Give me a break.
Read about Larry Nassar, then comment again.
Tom Izzo is on a 5 year, 30.2 million dollar contract.
Mel Tucker's contract is 10 years, 95 million.
If Marcus Freeman propositions or makes a sexual suggestion to an anti rape activist who is associated with Notre Dame, I would expect the exact same outcome.
Agreed if there was a consensual relationship then the charges are BS.
But consensual…what? You didn’t elaborate. Was there a consensual relationship that involved sex? And then what….she ended it and then said he harassed because he didn’t want to end it?
If it was true. I'm not taking someone's word for it just because.
If there was no evidence that it wasn't consensual I'm not getting rid of the coach just based on her word and nothing else
If you're the Michigan State president on the heels of Larry Nassar and Marc Dantonio you hopefully would.
No. I wouldn't fire someone just because someone made an accusation. Id make sure I had the evidence for that. And if I didn't, I would not get rid of said person
So it was a phone conversation and she stayed on the line through it.. why didn't she hang up when the "verbal assault" came??? If she stayed on she is culpable in it... consensual!!! The moral failure is just so sad and damaging!!! May these people find true healing .. as that does not seem to be the case....
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No. That is not how the law works. If she hangs up immediately, she may not yet have evidence.
WTF is up with all the phone masturbation apologists?
The weirdos certainly are circling the wagons around this topic.
1. You dont know if it wasnt consensual. It's just an accusation at this point. Why do you automatically believe her? Guilty until proven innocent
2. Do you believe him when he says she sent provacative pictures to him? If not, why do you take her word as facts and not his?
3. She was living across the country. This all happened over the phone. Hang up the phone if you are offended and it's over. Why are you trying to destroy his life? Money maybe just maybe?
This isn't a court of law, and the standard for an employer is different. It is up to MSU to decide whether she is credible or not. The standard is not that she has to prove she didn't say "this is fine".
Mel can show the "provocative" photos. If she sent nudes, he has a case.
His life isn't being "destroyed". He is a rich man today, and he will be a rich man tomorrow. He will probably lose his job for willfully engaging in conduct that embarrasses his employer. Life goes on.
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It's BS and it's happening all over. People want to cry victim and sue. The mob cancels people before even knowing the facts.
His reputation is permanently smeared, people think he's guilty already and hes going to lose money he probably shouldnt have.
Easy to say life goes on when it's not you.
Yes, it is easy to say life goes on when it is not me who has already admitted to masturbating on the phone with a rape survivor. If he wants to do that, he better damned well have video of her telling him it is okay, shot by a corroborating third party.
Perhaps coaches who are making more in one year than most people will ever make in their entire lives will see this and think "maybe I had better behave myself if I want to keep this gig".
Actually, "government employees", in this case a state employee are subject to standards of personal conduct which impact negatively on their department and position in the eyes of the public. The arbiters of these standards have latitude in their judgement and application of the standards. Thats why social media accounts have cost so many people their jobs...because they are monitored by governmental agencies and depts. The contractor was in the workplace. He decided to gamble in spite of cautions in his contract which are certainly there. That gamble was more important than his job.
Or maybe a a society we will stop believing everything every one says. And we will stop all these sue happy people and giving them money.
Traumatized over a phone conversation. GTFOH with that crap
So you think what he has admitted to is perfectly okay?
If Marcus Freeman did that, you would want ND to stick by their coach and to hell with the PR hit? Pretend MF is being paid top ten money, and has only won 20 of 34 games.
You must still be pissed that ND fired George O'Leary.
Yes I would want ND to stick with MF. I wouldnt respect him that he was cheating on his wife but that's not my business nor do I care what he does in his personal time. I assume there is many athletes and coaches I have liked who have cheated on their wives over the years.
The key part you mentioned is the amount of money and his record....Im sure MSU will use this as a way to get out of his ridiculous contract..... but that's not what this should be about
I agree. Clearly doesn't know the history. While Michigan was urging regional schools to not play Notre Dame, MSU continued to play Notre Dame.
MSU was also at the forefront of Michigan's oppression towards it.
The phrase "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" couldn't fit any better when it comes to Michigan State.
Zero chance Marcus Freeman would survive that in South Bend if the situation were the same.
Again. Zero.
Making 9.5 million annually as the head coach of Michigan State, yeah...you could say that.
Larry Nassar. Marc Dantonio.
Simply all day dumb.
Yep, not much left to do if he admitted to it, I just don't know what "it" is and if it was covered by general conduct clauses in his contract.
MOST high profile people are subject to morality clauses in addition to any legality misconduct due to the negative press it can bring.
I dont know what he admitted to, but if its covered in the contract as a terminable offense as they say he is toast.
Now its just a matter of the settlement. Going to court can be pretty expensive for both sides so better to settle.
Might want to consider the position MSU puts itself in if it retains this coach. There are three possibilities: First, they impose some zero tolerance standard combined with some sexual harassment training that Tucker agrees to (retain with strings attached). Second, they fire him for failing to uphold the moral turpitude clause in his contract. Third, they retain him no questions asked, and show visible "support for the coach". Now which of those options will result in the most favorable outcome (PR wise and/or $$-wise) to the university? That is the bottom line. This isn't MSU's first rodeo with high profile, highly consequential ($$) alleged or real sex abuse cases. The university is tarnished if its real or not because there is a track record. That variable matters.
