Marcellus Wiley

[DieHard_Irish]

Should be suspended by ESPN for his irresponsible commentary on Brian Kelly. The guy has no clue, no clue, what went on on the sidelines Saturday, so to voice such an unfounded, irresponsible knee-jerk commentary is a disgrace to journalism and should be addressed by ESPN.

It disgusts me to continually have to hear this crap under the guise of the first amendment, all obviously for rating.

 

[scubastevefl]

ESPN is an absolute joke, must be desperate for ratings.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

This needed a second thread?

 

[Irish Grandeur]

ESPN is responsible for their content and should be held accountable.

• Racist: a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

If ESPN and Wiley cannot prove that definition then it's time to take on a lawsuit. Enough is enough! The "World-wide Leader in Sports" needs to pay for being the world-wide leader in slander. $100M seems apropos.

 

[DieHard_Irish]

This needed a second thread?

In a word, yes. These attacks transcend athletes. An ESPN should have to be accountable. These types of unfounded accusations have no place in broadcast media. The the freedom on expression also comes great responsibility. Marcellus Wiley should be held accountable. The platform ESPN has, the power of the microphone is awesome. Both should be used responsibly.

Was BK racist when he hired Lyght, Densen and Grimes?

 

[twalsh]

In a word, yes. These attacks transcend athletes. An ESPN should have to be accountable. These types of unfounded accusations have no place in broadcast media. The the freedom on expression also comes great responsibility. Marcellus Wiley should be held accountable. The platform ESPN has, the power of the microphone is awesome. Both should be used responsibly.

Was BK racist when he hired Lyght, Densen and Grimes?

He has FIVE black guys on his staff. Seriously? I actually usually like Wiley, but this is just plain ignorant.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

ESPN is responsible for their content and should be held accountable.

• Racist: a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

If ESPN and Wiley cannot prove that definition then it's time to take on a lawsuit. Enough is enough! The "World-wide Leader in Sports" needs to pay for being the world-wide leader in slander. $100M seems apropos.

How do you prove damages of $100m? He hasn't lost his job, no one is pulling advertising or donations, he hasn't lost economic opportunities close to that if at all. Gotta prove damages.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

In a word, yes. These attacks transcend athletes. An ESPN should have to be accountable. These types of unfounded accusations have no place in broadcast media. The the freedom on expression also comes great responsibility. Marcellus Wiley should be held accountable. The platform ESPN has, the power of the microphone is awesome. Both should be used responsibly.

Was BK racist when he hired Lyght, Densen and Grimes?

I think everyone agrees in general principle that Wiley's comments are problematic. The previous thread got taken down for whatever reason, but it want to vent some more have at it I guess.

 

[Irish Grandeur]

How do you prove damages of $100m? He hasn't lost his job, no one is pulling advertising or donations, he hasn't lost economic opportunities close to that if at all. Gotta prove damages.

You do not have to prove damages to file a lawsuit - you already know that much. The backlash on ESPN for false accusations would turn too much to bear before the suit would ever go to court. Suddenly, ESPN would have to justify their slander or take on many, Many, MANY more suits for charges of libel. Happy hunting

 

[kellys heroes 35]

In a word, yes. These attacks transcend athletes. An ESPN should have to be accountable. These types of unfounded accusations have no place in broadcast media. The the freedom on expression also comes great responsibility. Marcellus Wiley should be held accountable. The platform ESPN has, the power of the microphone is awesome. Both should be used responsibly.

Was BK racist when he hired Lyght, Densen and Grimes?

ESPN - Sports
Fox News - News

same

they are about sponsors money not constructive information

 

[mbd11]

What did Wiley say? Missed the other thread.

 

[Epictitus]

ESPN - Sports
Fox News - News

same

they are about sponsors money not constructive information

While I do believe ESPN has some serious issues, I do not think their opinion are based on falsehoods and partisanship with which anyone can see is true for Fox News. Fox News blames Duke's lose last week on Obama and then defended that point with a poll! LOL ! ( That is not very far fetched if you think about it!)

 

[Irish Grandeur]

And, SAL, if the press cannot prove their public statements then it runs amok to right to privacy.

 

[TurnoverMachine]

ESPN - Sports
Fox News - News

same

they are about sponsors money not constructive information

Is msnbc about constructive information? I get a chuckle out of the fox news bashers.

 

[Irish Grandeur]

How do you prove damages of $100m? He hasn't lost his job, no one is pulling advertising or donations, he hasn't lost economic opportunities close to that if at all. Gotta prove damages.

Heck, I'd take this case simply on a jury of peers. ESPN has a 'self-proclaimed' world-wide audience. The jury would likely double or triple damages on ESPN.

 

[TurnoverMachine]

While I do believe ESPN has some serious issues, I do not think their opinion are based on falsehoods and partisanship with which anyone can see is true for Fox News. Fox News blames Duke's lose last week on Obama and then defended that point with a poll! LOL ! ( That is not very far fetched if you think about it!)

Keep drinking that hatorade. What I love the most is you people don't even watch Fox News but you still have the nerve to bash it. Watch some time and you'll see all the misinformation you put out there first hand.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

You do not have to prove damages to file a lawsuit - you already know that much. The backlash on ESPN for false accusations would turn too much to bear before the suit would ever go to court. Suddenly, ESPN would have to justify their slander or take on many, Many, MANY more suits for charges of libel. Happy hunting

If the backlash was going to be so crazy it already would be. Sports Nation is one of their more popular shows so its not like this is some hidden quote. The lack of general backlash demonstrates (1) people don't care because they don't take it seriously and (2) ESPN hasn't taken heat from it because no suspension or punishment has been taken.

 

[cgvr]

Should be suspended by ESPN for his irresponsible commentary on Brian Kelly. The guy has no clue, no clue, what went on on the sidelines Saturday, so to voice such an unfounded, irresponsible knee-jerk commentary is a disgrace to journalism and should be addressed by ESPN.

It disgusts me to continually have to hear this crap under the guise of the first amendment, all obviously for rating.

kelly is not a racist or he wouldn't be on ND's sideline.

kelly got in a bit of a sticky situation years ago for speaking his mind while at CMU and apologized for his "over the line" remarks....

wiley was way out of line......

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2009-12-08/news/0912070751_1_cmu-central-michigan-jimmy-clausen

"In June 2004, three months before Kelly had coached his first game at CMU, a fight involving at least four of Kelly's players outside a Mount Pleasant, Mich., bar resulted in the death of a 26-year-old man named Demarcus Graham. Police investigated 11 CMU players who were among those at the scene. Two former CMU players eventually pleaded no contest to involuntary manslaughter and two pleaded no contest to attempted assault with a dangerous weapon, according to court records.

Kelly responded with team discipline as well as any new coach could. But he embroiled himself in controversy explaining why several CMU players may have perjured themselves trying to protect a teammate.

"For example, a number of them were African-Americans that had been in that culture of violence, and they're taught to look away," Kelly said in the Sept. 22, 2005, edition of the Detroit Free Press. "You don't want anything to do with it. Get out of there. You don't say anything to anybody.

"That is a culture that they are immersed in. When they come here, their first reaction is to react the way they've been taught to react in their culture and in their environment. That's difficult."

In response, then-Central Michigan University president Michael Rao reprimanded Kelly for remarks that "appalled and offended" his boss. Kelly apologized, and Rao later supported his coach in a statement that praised him for relating to players "with the same intensity and style regardless of ethnicity."

 

[Irish Grandeur]

If the backlash was going to be so crazy it already would be. Sports Nation is one of their more popular shows so its not like this is some hidden quote. The lack of general backlash demonstrates (1) people don't care because they don't take it seriously and (2) ESPN hasn't taken heat from it because no suspension or punishment has been taken.

That is fine and good. You are basically stating that the general public does not know the law. That's no surprise. Your case is based on ignorance and lack of constitutional knowledge. I'm full steam ahead - you?

 

[Toby Smart]

ESPN had no problem getting rid of Curt Schilling. What was his crime according to the gospel of ESPN's hierarchy?

 

[Irishjohn68]

Keep drinking that hatorade. What I love the most is you people don't even watch Fox News but you still have the nerve to bash it. Watch some time and you'll see all the misinformation you put out there first hand.

Hey, Fox News called and said you are a embarrassment to them.

 

[Irishjohn68]

ESPN had no problem getting rid of Curt Schilling. What was his crime according to the gospel of ESPN's hierarchy?

When did they get rid of Schilling?

 

[Toby Smart]

He was suspended for the 2015 season. It remains to be seen if he will be reinstated next baseball season. His crime? Comparing Muslim terrorists with Nazis, and that was on his twitter account. Meanwhile, this Wiley character throws out the "R" word with no proof or background on BK. Chris Carter, when talking to rookies, says that you have to have a fall guy in your posse just in case anything goes wrong. None of that is problematic to ESPN and Mike and Mike continue with their bromance with Chris Carter like nothing ever happened.

 

[IRISHJD98]

You do not have to prove damages to file a lawsuit - you already know that much. The backlash on ESPN for false accusations would turn too much to bear before the suit would ever go to court. Suddenly, ESPN would have to justify their slander or take on many, Many, MANY more suits for charges of libel. Happy hunting

No, you don't have to prove anything file a lawsuit. But lawyers like to get paid, and its pretty hard to get paid if your client hasn't been damaged. Its pretty much like hunting without any ammo..

 

[Irish Grandeur]

No, you don't have to prove anything file a lawsuit. But lawyers like to get paid, and its pretty hard to get paid if your client hasn't been damaged. Its pretty much like hunting without any ammo..

So, you are now the judge of damage?

 

[NDEwing18]

Heck, I'd take this case simply on a jury of peers. ESPN has a 'self-proclaimed' world-wide audience. The jury would likely double or triple damages on ESPN.

I'm not sure you understand how slander works. You have to prove damages, not to mention actual malice.

So, you are now the judge of damage?

What are the damages then?

 

[Irish Grandeur]

No, you don't have to prove anything file a lawsuit. But lawyers like to get paid, and its pretty hard to get paid if your client hasn't been damaged. Its pretty much like hunting without any ammo..

Tell me, IrishJD98, how ND has not been damaged by their head coach being called a "racist" by the world-wide leader in sports. Do you think players of color may be affected? Do you think a coach of 25 years may be affected? It is character assassination. If ND stands by and allows BK to be dragged through the muck then it is on them.

At some point in time, 'racist' has to mean something bad.

 

[Irish Grandeur]

I'm not sure you understand how slander works. You have to prove damages, not to mention actual malice.


What are the damages then?

Damages NEVER...NEVER need to be proven heading into a lawsuit.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

What did Wiley say? Missed the other thread.

Paraphrasing but... Said BK going after Grimes was a race issue that BK wouldn't have done that to a white coach. Also, said that BK's actions demonstrated that he did not respect Grimes enough to treat him as an equal. Contextually he talking about being an equal as a person not regarding the coaching hierarchy

 

[SALittleGiant513]

And, SAL, if the press cannot prove their public statements then it runs amok to right to privacy.

How?

 

[SALittleGiant513]

That is fine and good. You are basically stating that the general public does not know the law. That's no surprise. Your case is based on ignorance and lack of constitutional knowledge. I'm full steam ahead - you?

Not at all I am saying there isn't backlash because the general public doesn't care and doesn't take those comments seriously. Also, if he is giving an opinion and not stating it as a fact then that would affect defamation claims.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

ESPN had no problem getting rid of Curt Schilling. What was his crime according to the gospel of ESPN's hierarchy?

There was a backlash based on what Schilling said. In this instance more negative press can be attributed to BK's actions which Wiley was criticizing then what Wiley said.

 

[IRISHJD98]

So, you are now the judge of damage?

No, I'm just pretty good at getting paid.

 

[Irish Grandeur]

Not at all I am saying there isn't backlash because the general public doesn't care and doesn't take those comments seriously. Also, if he is giving an opinion and not stating it as a fact then that would affect defamation claims.

Is it your assumption or do you have proof that "general public doesn't care". Does his opinion make a statement of "racist"?

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Tell me, IrishJD98, how ND has not been damaged by their head coach being called a "racist" by the world-wide leader in sports. Do you think players of color may be affected? Do you think a coach of 25 years may be affected? It is character assassination. If ND stands by and allows BK to be dragged through the muck then it is on them.

At some point in time, 'racist' has to mean something bad.

Its not presumed though you have to be able to show it:

1. Not sure how you are going to show ND was damaged unless donors are pulling donations because ND has a racist coach?
2. Are they losing player because of the Race accusation?
3. Has BK been suspended or lost his job because of the Race accusations?

 

[Irish Grandeur]

Is it your assumption or do you have proof that "general public doesn't care". Does his opinion make a statement of "racist"?

This stuff is elementary, SAL...surely you get that. The only precedent you could make is that the American people are "used to being called racist".

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Is it your assumption or do you have proof that "general public doesn't care". Does his opinion make a statement of "racist"?

Are you seeing a backlash? Is it being blown up on social media? Are there protests going on against BK? Is it even being reported by any of the major media outlets? All those would be signs that the general public cares. Backlash is something you can point to if it exists, where is it outside of ND message boards?

 

[NDEwing18]

Damages NEVER...NEVER need to be proven heading into a lawsuit.

Nothing needs to be proven heading into a lawsuit - that's why the lawsuit happens. However, most people want to go into filing a lawsuit feeling that they have a reasonable chance of winning.

Tell me, if I'm the attorney and you're Brian Kelly, what damages have you sustained, and how are you quantifying them?

 

[mbd11]

Paraphrasing but... Said BK going after Grimes was a race issue that BK wouldn't have done that to a white coach. Also, said that BK's actions demonstrated that he did not respect Grimes enough to treat him as an equal. Contextually he talking about being an equal as a person not regarding the coaching hierarchy

Thanks. That's a ridiculous charge.

 

[Irish Grandeur]

Are you seeing a backlash? Is it being blown up on social media? Are there protests going on against BK? Is it even being reported by any of the major media outlets? All those would be signs that the general public cares. Backlash is something you can point to if it exists, where is it outside of ND message boards?

Maybe that is because the person making the claim is not nationally known or recognized. I had never heard of this person in my life. Maybe a campaign needs to be started introducing this person as the face of ESPN.