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I think the bowl game gave Malik the shot he wanted -- he wanted to prove to everyone that he can take control of this team and run it.

The spring, and subsequent fall camp, should be real fun for both. Hopefully, they both push each other to be very, very good!
 
"To be the man, you gotta beat the man! Wooooooooooo!"

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He played well in the bowl game and I think the team rallys around him. I think people forget that Golson played a big part in that win as well, really drove the team most of the way that last drive. I honestly think Zaire's best trait is his confidence and that is a big deal playing QB in college football. Think that is one of Golson's weakest traits. Should be an interesting spring.
 
This is a topic of hot debate! I'm on the Zaire bandwagon if Kelly incorporates the heavy run game scheme that he used against LSU. However, that's a big IF. If he goes back to throwing the ball 40-50 times a game then I honestly don't care who starts at QB.
 
Originally posted by Kelso86:
I think the bowl game gave Malik the shot he wanted -- he wanted to prove to everyone that he can take control of this team and run it.

The spring, and subsequent fall camp, should be real fun for both. Hopefully, they both push each other to be very, very good!
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Having a new OC gives Malik a more level playing field as well. It seems like Sanford will not have any preconceived notions about who his starter is.
 
Zaire is 100% prove he will be starter for 2015. Golson can't hold the football with one hand..
 
I am cheering for Malik, he has proven himself and made good decisions. I don't see a reason to go back to Golson. Malik has big game experience, and does well under pressure. The only argument is the number of starts that separate them. But I think that is superficial.

From what we have seen if both had 12 starts I think Malik would be a clear cut starter.
 
Originally posted by IrishBlooded:
I am cheering for Malik, he has proven himself and made good decisions. I don't see a reason to go back to Golson. Malik has big game experience, and does well under pressure. The only argument is the number of starts that separate them. But I think that is superficial.

From what we have seen if both had 12 starts I think Malik would be a clear cut starter.
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Maybe if Zaire had a dozen starts, his confidence would be as shot as Golson's is.
 
Malik has proven himself?? That's absurd, he's a battling a dude who went 18-0 to start his career, beat the best QB in the nation on his home turf. MZ couldn't run a 2-minute drill. I'm all for a battle but to say MZ has proven himself is senial. 6 quarters, that's how much he has played. Stop.
 
Has BK said he will give up calling the offense? Just wondering since he hired outside OC. Haven't read anything. Been to busy with work.
 
Gentlemen please. Let's not lose our heads over this. I think we are lucky to have both MZ and EG competing for the starting job. Many programs would love to have this problem. Both talented. Both hungry. Both with huge potential. It's up to BK and his staff to get this potential out of the lads. It's up to the adults on staff to develop both QBs to 100% of their capabilities. Let's not form factions on who is in what QB camp. And, for love of Mike, don't judge the Spring game as the barometer for winning the starting job. Let the guys compete, develop, learn, stay eligible, and earn their way as the starter. I can see it clearly that TR took a beat down on this board in favor of EG. Now, EG is getting the same treatment. At what point is it player or coach? This is an important year for BK. If MZ or EG does not develop then the arrow points to you know who. All we are saying is, give both kids a chance.
 
JMO

Kizer AND Wimbush ARE in the mix. A tall ath who can run and pass (Kizer) has to be enticing to the new OC!
 
Originally posted by bizzybecknd:
Malik has proven himself?? That's absurd, he's a battling a dude who went 18-0 to start his career, beat the best QB in the nation on his home turf. MZ couldn't run a 2-minute drill. I'm all for a battle but to say MZ has proven himself is senial. 6 quarters, that's how much he has played. Stop.
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This.

However, still not enough playing time to assume MZ can't run a 2min. drill.

Not even the biggest MZ fan is happier than me for his successful 2 quarters of a bowl game. But that's all it was. And, I liked the way BK used them in that bowl. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing that same distribution for the first 5-6 games if things can't be settled by the start of the season.
 
Originally posted by HDK:

Originally posted by IrishBlooded:
I am cheering for Malik, he has proven himself and made good decisions. I don't see a reason to go back to Golson. Malik has big game experience, and does well under pressure. The only argument is the number of starts that separate them. But I think that is superficial.

From what we have seen if both had 12 starts I think Malik would be a clear cut starter.
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Maybe if Zaire had a dozen starts, his confidence would be as shot as Golson's is.
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Yeah, wonder how Malik would hold up after the constant brow beating that Golson has had to deal with. Kelly, IMO, can sometimes be a confidence killer.
 
Originally posted by Johnnie82:

Originally posted by HDK:

Originally posted by IrishBlooded:
I am cheering for Malik, he has proven himself and made good decisions. I don't see a reason to go back to Golson. Malik has big game experience, and does well under pressure. The only argument is the number of starts that separate them. But I think that is superficial.

From what we have seen if both had 12 starts I think Malik would be a clear cut starter.
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Maybe if Zaire had a dozen starts, his confidence would be as shot as Golson's is.
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Yeah, wonder how Malik would hold up after the constant brow beating that Golson has had to deal with. Kelly, IMO, can sometimes be a confidence killer.
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I've been waiting through 3 coaches to find one with fire in his belly. Weis, Willingham, and Davie...

Holtz was very similar to BK. Only difference is Holtz would put his arm around a guy minutes later after his explosion, where BK doesn't put an arm around a guy, but does go back to talk/listen rationally. I think we saw him learn that at ND.

With Rees, he treated him with kid gloves because Rees was emotional and would yell back and both knew he just wasn't at that same talent level as Golson. Golson, well 2 things, Golson knows his abilities can get better, and he knows BK gave him a chance to come back to a job after sitting a year.
 
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Originally posted by Johnnie82:


Originally posted by HDK:


Originally posted by IrishBlooded:
I am cheering for Malik, he has proven himself and made good decisions. I don't see a reason to go back to Golson. Malik has big game experience, and does well under pressure. The only argument is the number of starts that separate them. But I think that is superficial.

From what we have seen if both had 12 starts I think Malik would be a clear cut starter.
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Maybe if Zaire had a dozen starts, his confidence would be as shot as Golson's is.
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Yeah, wonder how Malik would hold up after the constant brow beating that Golson has had to deal with. Kelly, IMO, can sometimes be a confidence killer.
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I've been waiting through 3 coaches to find one with fire in his belly. Weis, Willingham, and Davie...

Holtz was very similar to BK. Only difference is Holtz would put his arm around a guy minutes later after his explosion, where BK doesn't put an arm around a guy, but does go back to talk/listen rationally. I think we saw him learn that at ND.

With Rees, he treated him with kid gloves because Rees was emotional and would yell back and both knew he just wasn't at that same talent level as Golson. Golson, well 2 things, Golson knows his abilities can get better, and he knows BK gave him a chance to come back to a job after sitting a year.
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I don't remember Holtz being particularly tough on his QBs when they made a mistake. I do remember him putting a stop to showboating and stupid penalties. I don't mind a tough coach, but I think early on Kelly was beyond a tough coach. I think he also piles way too much responsibility on his QBs with the result that they cannot succeed. Granted Rees was not a great athlete, but the guy used to change the play every time he came to the line. Instead of being a fast tempo team we were tortoises. Golson seems befuddled half the time and he makes the kinds of errors that someone who is overwhelmed makes becaue he thinks his athletic ability can get him out of jams, so he scrambles and either fumbles or throws off his back foot or simply does not see the defender waiting to pick him off.

I'm not enamored of Kelly at all. I have seen some really good coaching on his part, and some really bad coaching. Everyone keeps pointing to 2012 when he took the team to the NC. And yeah, that was great, but it wasn't anything that dozens of other coaches haven't done over the years, only to get exposed at the end of the day. I'd say until he does something close to that again, people should just assume 2012 was the exception to the rule.
 
Lou said he would never have a QB with more T/O's than games or I think the number was 7! he would bench him!
 
Originally posted by HDK:

Originally posted by Weisnheimer:


Originally posted by Johnnie82:



Originally posted by HDK:



Originally posted by IrishBlooded:
I am cheering for Malik, he has proven himself and made good decisions. I don't see a reason to go back to Golson. Malik has big game experience, and does well under pressure. The only argument is the number of starts that separate them. But I think that is superficial.

From what we have seen if both had 12 starts I think Malik would be a clear cut starter.
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Maybe if Zaire had a dozen starts, his confidence would be as shot as Golson's is.
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Yeah, wonder how Malik would hold up after the constant brow beating that Golson has had to deal with. Kelly, IMO, can sometimes be a confidence killer.
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I've been waiting through 3 coaches to find one with fire in his belly. Weis, Willingham, and Davie...

Holtz was very similar to BK. Only difference is Holtz would put his arm around a guy minutes later after his explosion, where BK doesn't put an arm around a guy, but does go back to talk/listen rationally. I think we saw him learn that at ND.

With Rees, he treated him with kid gloves because Rees was emotional and would yell back and both knew he just wasn't at that same talent level as Golson. Golson, well 2 things, Golson knows his abilities can get better, and he knows BK gave him a chance to come back to a job after sitting a year.
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I don't remember Holtz being particularly tough on his QBs when they made a mistake. I do remember him putting a stop to showboating and stupid penalties. I don't mind a tough coach, but I think early on Kelly was beyond a tough coach. I think he also piles way too much responsibility on his QBs with the result that they cannot succeed. Granted Rees was not a great athlete, but the guy used to change the play every time he came to the line. Instead of being a fast tempo team we were tortoises. Golson seems befuddled half the time and he makes the kinds of errors that someone who is overwhelmed makes becaue he thinks his athletic ability can get him out of jams, so he scrambles and either fumbles or throws off his back foot or simply does not see the defender waiting to pick him off.

I'm not enamored of Kelly at all. I have seen some really good coaching on his part, and some really bad coaching. Everyone keeps pointing to 2012 when he took the team to the NC. And yeah, that was great, but it wasn't anything that dozens of other coaches haven't done over the years, only to get exposed at the end of the day. I'd say until he does something close to that again, people should just assume 2012 was the exception to the rule.
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Dozens of coaches go 12-0? got it

Started this yr 8-0 before injuries

Stay tuned more to come
 
I think these are all good points of discussion. Having said what I said above about Kelly, I do believe he is getting better with his communication. Some players have to be handled differently. I think one former player even related a story about how Holtz would yell at him when he was actually mad at someone else. Lou knew who to kick in the butt and who to pat on the back. This staff has the potential to be great. I am anxiously waiting for this upcoming season.
 
other than staying with EG too long, I find little to associate EG's problems to the handling by Kelly. EG has had both off the field and on the field issues.
At times he appears to distance himself from the team effort and 'tune out' the coaches. That is on him. Has he matured? is he ready to be accountable and responsible? That is the question.
 
I don't remember Holtz being particularly tough on his QBs when they made a mistake. I do remember him putting a stop to showboating and stupid penalties. I don't mind a tough coach, but I think early on Kelly was beyond a tough coach. I think he also piles way too much responsibility on his QBs with the result that they cannot succeed. Granted Rees was not a great athlete, but the guy used to change the play every time he came to the line. Instead of being a fast tempo team we were tortoises. Golson seems befuddled half the time and he makes the kinds of errors that someone who is overwhelmed makes becaue he thinks his athletic ability can get him out of jams, so he scrambles and either fumbles or throws off his back foot or simply does not see the defender waiting to pick him off.

I'm not enamored of Kelly at all. I have seen some really good coaching on his part, and some really bad coaching. Everyone keeps pointing to 2012 when he took the team to the NC. And yeah, that was great, but it wasn't anything that dozens of other coaches haven't done over the years, only to get exposed at the end of the day. I'd say until he does something close to that again, people should just assume 2012 was the exception to the rule.
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Dozens of coaches go 12-0? got it

Started this yr 8-0 before injuries

Stay tuned more to come
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Okay, Mr. Literal...

Not necessarily 12-0, but a good number of them have gone 8-0, 10-0, 11-0, and even 12-0, or for that matter 11-1, 10-2, etc only to be exposed when it matters most.

I've been watching football a long, long time, and I'm telling you that Notre Dame in 2012 was a good team, but it was nowhere near a great team. All the breaks went its way until it played a real football team.

It was pretty obvious to everyone except for a few delusional ND fans.

That season Kelly managed the team very well. He has not managed his team that well the other four years he has been here.

I'd love to see him go out and win a title, but I'm not counting on it.
 
I want to see ND win a lot of games this year. Therefore, I want to see Zaire in there. We don't need to see the Turnover Machine Jr. anymore. We've seen that enough the last several seasons. Zaire is a leader. Golson is a sulker.
 
Originally posted by HDK:
I don't remember Holtz being particularly tough on his QBs when they made a mistake. I do remember him putting a stop to showboating and stupid penalties. I don't mind a tough coach, but I think early on Kelly was beyond a tough coach. I think he also piles way too much responsibility on his QBs with the result that they cannot succeed. Granted Rees was not a great athlete, but the guy used to change the play every time he came to the line. Instead of being a fast tempo team we were tortoises. Golson seems befuddled half the time and he makes the kinds of errors that someone who is overwhelmed makes becaue he thinks his athletic ability can get him out of jams, so he scrambles and either fumbles or throws off his back foot or simply does not see the defender waiting to pick him off.

I'm not enamored of Kelly at all. I have seen some really good coaching on his part, and some really bad coaching. Everyone keeps pointing to 2012 when he took the team to the NC. And yeah, that was great, but it wasn't anything that dozens of other coaches haven't done over the years, only to get exposed at the end of the day. I'd say until he does something close to that again, people should just assume 2012 was the exception to the rule.
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Dozens of coaches go 12-0? got it

Started this yr 8-0 before injuries

Stay tuned more to come
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Okay, Mr. Literal...

Not necessarily 12-0, but a good number of them have gone 8-0, 10-0, 11-0, and even 12-0, or for that matter 11-1, 10-2, etc only to be exposed when it matters most.

I've been watching football a long, long time, and I'm telling you that Notre Dame in 2012 was a good team, but it was nowhere near a great team. All the breaks went its way until it played a real football team.

It was pretty obvious to everyone except for a few delusional ND fans.

That season Kelly managed the team very well. He has not managed his team that well the other four years he has been here.

I'd love to see him go out and win a title, but I'm not counting on it.
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ND ran into one of the best CFB teams (2012 Ala.) I ever saw. Big physical RB Little quick RB, QB that lost 1 or 2 games in 4 years...big and fast and physical defense led by a DT that was touted as the best they ever had. And to top that, it was a pac-12 referee crew. But that was an exceptional team.
 
Originally posted by TurnoverMachine:
I want to see ND win a lot of games this year. Therefore, I want to see Zaire in there. We don't need to see the Turnover Machine Jr. anymore. We've seen that enough the last several seasons. Zaire is a leader. Golson is a sulker.
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Interesting. ....Some on this board wanted TR out and EG in. Some on this board want EG out and MZ in. It won't take very much for some on this board to want MZ out and fill in the blank in. Chris Brown and Cam didn't help matters much either. Cost games. That's forgotten though.
 
Holtz not tough on qBs? I like what he told Steve Buerlien when Holtz came to ND. He told Steve he was going to cut his interceptions in half from 20 to 10 . When Buerlien asked how Holtz replied because if you throw 10 your not playing anymore.
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Originally posted by Mheezyfosheezy3:
Holtz not tough on qBs? I like what he told Steve Buerlien when Holtz came to ND. He told Steve he was going to cut his interceptions in half from 20 to 10 . When Buerlien asked how Holtz replied because if you throw 10 your not playing anymore.
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Who did he have who could have replaced Buerlein? And quite frankly, I don't think telling someone to reduce his interception from 20 (Did he even have that many?) to 10 is being tough. It's just setting reasonable expectations.
 
That's not a fair criticism. People weren't calling for Brady Quinn's job, people weren't calling for Clausen's job after year 1. Goloson led the nation in turnovers. It's a fair assessment by fans.
 
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