Ludwig staying
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No one will ever know the definitive truth. It could be simply Ludwig decided to stay home. He's a Utah native.
True but it is being reported that ND didn’t want to pay the just shy of 3 million buyout. This is becoming an issue. Either pay and play with the big boys or settle for 8-5 seasons. Issue is that when all the 42+ year olds are gone, no one will remember a national championship, they will not remember Holtz, the success we had in early 90’s. Will just remember the blowout bowl losses.
"It's being reported..." I don't believe everything I read regarding these types of negotiations..
**** off man. No one ND gets now will be near the recruiter Ludwig could have been at ND.
ND knew what the buyout was before flying the guy out so why waste everyone’s time? Something doesn’t add up
I don't get it. Forgive my naivety, but we brought this guy in, wined him and dined him, publicly paraded him around at the hockey game, or whatever it was, for everyone to tweet about.... and then when it eventually gets down to brass tacks and to hammer this shit out, we refused to pay his buyout? Like, didn't we already make that decision before we took it all the way to this point? That just doesn't make any sense.
Seemingly that would be one of the first things you could do, and would do and just get it out of the way, before you proceed to take things to the next level. Figure out how much it's going to cost and whether you're willing to spend that much. And then you would skip any guys whose buyout was too rich for your blood.
So I don't know about that as the reason.
Seemingly that would be one of the first things you could do, and would do and just get it out of the way, before you proceed to take things to the next level. Figure out how much it's going to cost and whether you're willing to spend that much. And then you would skip any guys whose buyout was too rich for your blood.
So I don't know about that as the reason.
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Listen man....
Ludwig or not I don't care but something has to give.
If you're going to do it better than the other guy(admissions) then you need to get guys to do it better than the other guys and that cost $$$$$
I don't know why they passed on Ludwig but I can tell you they are stuck in the mindset that players and coaches should feel honored to play and coach at Notre Dame. They hate paying for anything. Sure they can afford what they want. Anything!!
So Swarbrick gives Rees a contract extension before hiring Freeman. Now Swarbrick and ND won't give Freeman the money needed to hire the guy he wants? This is a terrible terrible look for ND football.
I for one am really bummed, as I was excited about Ludwig. Buyouts are common in this day and age and ND has the money to do it. Very disappointing.
I for one am really bummed, as I was excited about Ludwig. Buyouts are common in this day and age and ND has the money to do it. Very disappointing.
Coaches and players do feel honored to be at ND, but not pro bono.
I can’t imagine ND would be so shortsighted to not pay such a buyout if they determined he was the guy
Well, a quick googling readily confirms, at least according to the internet grapevine, ND did indeed balk at the buyout. WTF is that even about? Like, what's going on? Maybe this is some novel game-theoretic negotiating ploy, straight from the halls of ND's highly-rated business school, and it involves waiting until you sit down in earnest to work out the numbers, and that's when you spring it on them....
We're not going to cover your buyout. So what do you say about that??
We're not going to cover your buyout. So what do you say about that??
Just read an article from Driskell where he absolutely went in on ND Administration and the “higher ups”.
I’m pretty shocked that ND is letting the buyout prevent MF from getting his guy. Shocked. I almost can’t believe it. There has to be more to the story.
How did we get this far into the interview/TA process without having the contract or buyout scenarios figured out?
There has to be more here. Any thoughts?
I’m pretty shocked that ND is letting the buyout prevent MF from getting his guy. Shocked. I almost can’t believe it. There has to be more to the story.
How did we get this far into the interview/TA process without having the contract or buyout scenarios figured out?
There has to be more here. Any thoughts?
In all seriousness, maybe they were attempting to hardball a reduced buyout at the very end, after they figure they had him completely smitten. Or something. Or the buyout figure is kept hidden for some reason, by some negotiating convention I'm not familiar with. And then ND was like, shocked at how high it was, when Ludwig's camp finally revealed it to ND, but they had been totally keeping it a secret.....
I’m at a loss here. Can’t imagine this is really how it went down.
I’d think those things would be tackled prior to him getting on an ND jet, headed for South Bend. “What’s your contract status”? “Is there a buyout, how much”?
If this is indeed true, then MF and the new OC are in a weird spot. Combined with the new uncertainty at OL……not a great February for ND.
So what’s the real story here? Maybe one or both sides decided at the 11th hour “this just isn’t a great fit”…
Totally. Anyone would assume that. That the buyout, however high, as part of whatever the total payout was likely to amount to, would be either accepted or rejected before you offered the guy the job. Maybe it's more like, considering the size of the buyout, we're going to offer you less in salary, and so it's the same difference, and they're just calling it the buyout. But ultimately, Ludwig's total demand and the total outlay required could easily be too much, and ND was hoping he would settle for less.....
I dont have any inside info, but my thought is that ND "higher ups" had no idea about a potential buyout. I didn't know that coordinators these days had contracts had to be bought out before hiring them. My guess is that Swarbrick and Freeman and the higher ups never had a conversation prior to Ludwig doing the interview and both sides assumed it would be a simple process.
One question I have is, did Rees have a buyout? Did Bama pay anything? If they did, ND simply could have used the money Bama gave ND to get Rees to get Ludwig. But now that I think about it, I don't think LSU gave ND any money to get Kelly.
People on this board complain all the time about how ND doesn't adjust to modern times. This appears to be the case here.
More likely ND wanted some clawback or performance conditions to protect them especially if heistand retirement caught them by surprise. This is a quality journeyman candidate but it’s not some elite top 3 can’t miss guy. I’d rather have an up and comer that will succeed and move on than an established guy you have to fire if he’s not clicking … we’ve hd plenty of those. Most fans could not name more than 5 OCs without using Google.
Made the front page of ESPN again, for something negative!!! Maybe freeman can have us lose to tenn state, or jack can have our schedule next year have no byes until week 11 so we can continue widening the gap between the top teams and nd
ND is low on funds. 18.9 billion in their endowment, it just wasn't in the budget for 2023. My God they only charge on average $340 per ticket, $50 a car for parking and thats just the tip of the iceberg. Ticket sales alone are $40 million. If the only reason was the pitiful $2.8 M than that is absolutely fricking pathetic.
The idea that ND did not know about the buyout is BS.
Also the idea that higher ups nixed it AFTER the interview is also BS.
I think the interview did not go that well and SOMEONE is making the Irish the bad guys for being incompetent or cheap.
Also the idea that higher ups nixed it AFTER the interview is also BS.
I think the interview did not go that well and SOMEONE is making the Irish the bad guys for being incompetent or cheap.
"No one will ever know the definitive truth"
That is so true! I think the "buyout issue" is what is being portrayed in public, but my guess is there were deeper issues. You don't enter contract negotiations without knowing what the buyout is --
It’s pretty good quality of life in SLC highly possible Ludwig and or family didn’t want to swap that for the garden spot of the Midwest. I wouldn’t live in SB if someone bought me the house but that’s me.
Maybe , but I have to believe all these contracts are very similar and wasn’t Ludwig’s agent the same as freeman’s or was that Klein? Jimmy Sexton contracts are all probably pretty similar as are other agent’s
I hear you. But then why bother with the interview if you're not gonna pay the buyout?
And according to reports Ludwig blew the staff away. Ludwig has been around the block. I doubt he interviewed poorly.
As someone else said, we'll never know the definitive truth.
I would have been excited with a Ludwig hire along with his OL coach. I’ve read that each had a buyout totaling close to $4M. While this is one of the public explanations for the breakdown in negotiations, I am more inclined to believe that Utah simply provided the more compelling case to stay…great relationship with a really good head coach…significant salary bump to match ND…and likely told he is heir apparent to become head coach in the next year or so. Hope we end up with a young up and coming OC who has shown to Be very successful in a smaller setting.
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