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Locker room after the game

Woolen is an assclown with no respect from his peers and he is completely out of line in every way. He should not be asking the type of questions he asked and he should respect a losing teams emotions and put his fragile ego aside rather than whining like a liberal pos
Asshat is better.
 
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Again, I agree on the minutia. In the way you described being beaten in phases of the game. I bet if you scored efficiency in each phase, maybe F+ has this...in total score it would be reasonably close, not a mismatch.

The score itself was 11 points difference. Not a rout. It kinda reflects my intuitive odds of 55:45 OSU vs ND.

Let them play 5 games. ND could win 1 or even 2 in my book. Both team would learn and adjust after each game in a series...again, very hypothetical.

Yes, ND just lost to a better team. We all agree. It's still hold to ND being a legit #2 and capable of playing with tOSU.
Here's where I see THE GAP.

I can't see more than even a SMALL HANDFULL of ND players starting ahead of any of OSU's starters. To get to 5, I believe, would be a HUGE REACH.
 
CONGRATULATIONS on making it to the FINALS.

That's NO SMALL THING.
Now I see, but that at the time not so much.
My sophomore year the same guy beat me in the state semi-finals, my senior year I won the state final, and he (a freshman at the University of Iowa), came and cheered me on.
 
I would say that ND did a GOOD JOB keeping up with a TEAM that it WASN'T LIKELY TO BEAT given the players ON THE FIELD on THAT NIGHT.

ND COULDN'T RUN ITS GROUND GAME. NOR COULD IT STOP OSU'S OFFENSE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COUNTED.

As for the SEMANTICS, how about ND WAS OVERMATCHED in that its OL couldn't RUN BLOCK, its DL and LB's COULDN'T CONTAIN OSU'S BACKS OR QB-RUN GAME, its DL COULDN'T APPLY ANY PRESSURE, its O went most of the game without any CHUNK PLAYS, and with the game on the line, its more VULNERABLE CB, despite having POSSIBLY saved two games (USC and PSU), couldn't match up with OSU's BEST RECEIVER.

And, yes, that last example may have involved coaching. Yet, what gameplan were ND's coaches expected to come up with to contain THIS OSU TEAM? Did they do things wrong so much -- or was OSU SIMPLY TOO GOOD? I'll go with the LATTER.

What I found particularly telling is that OSU went 5 for 5 in THE RED ZONE; while ND, only 1 for 2.

Actually, I would still argue for calling all of that a MISMATCH in the sense of ND's having GOTTEN BEATEN IN MOST PHASES OF THE GAME, but I'm glad to settle for OVERMATCHED. Because in fact ND was.

ND put up a VALIANT FIGHT, and while NOT HUMBLED, it still lost DECISIVELY.

I was a sprinter and never came in higher than third in a major invitational meet. I just couldn't get to the next gear. That ND team that lost to OSU earlier this week couldn't get to the NEXT GEAR EITHER.

It was simply OVERMATCHED.

Those mistakes and bad plays ND was guilty of? They were the direct result of playing A STRONGER TEAM.

Sometimes, you JUST LOSE.

OSU seemed to be the team of destiny
 
Yeah, but we're trying to get rid of the poll mentality. It's not like a macho thing, like with Dale Earnhardt. It's just meaningless. Well maybe not entirely, we did make it to the final, a matter of public record, that really did happen. And we did make it through all those rounds. And so that's awesome! And we are to be commended. We're not #2 though, there's no such thing. There's no gold, silver and bronze, this ain't the olympics.
Careful now I loved Dale Earnhardt!
 
He's what I call a drive by poster...shoots and runs!

:p

All good. Characters are characters.

I hope he turns his allegiance to The Fighting Irish...as opposed to USC, as I'm told he roots for the Trojans?

;)
He lives on this forum. Has an opinion on everything. Loves anything Southern Cal, Pac12, ESPN, and Brian Kelly. Definitely follows ND, appreciates them, but has some inaccurate views.

His infantile responses, and old and tired plaudits is what upsets most, including me. He deflects and pivots with the best.
 
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Here's where I see THE GAP.

I can't see more than even a SMALL HANDFULL of ND players starting ahead of any of OSU's starters. To get to 5, I believe, would be a HUGE REACH.
Actually not that bad of a perspective. I got us better in 3 of the 4 defensive backfield, TE, and 2 of the 5 OL. So 8. Even at RB.
 
I see that Eric Hansen has written about the locker room "incident." It sounds to me like a typical locker room scene after a team that has given its all confronts the reality of losing. It sounds to me like something Hansen would never have bothered to cover if it hadn't gotten legs on the internet. That's the problem, the internet.
 
Bottom line there was nothing amateur hour about the locker room vibe, other than being a little too hot for this geek journalist to handle. And he tweeted about it. And it wasn't really corroborated by any other journos, who managed to keep their cool.
 
I see that Eric Hansen has written about the locker room "incident." It sounds to me like a typical locker room scene after a team that has given its all confronts the reality of losing. It sounds to me like something Hansen would never have bothered to cover if it hadn't gotten legs on the internet. That's the problem, the internet.
Actually it’s the purposeful manipulation of the internet by Wolken. His tweet was absolutely a firecracker and done to throw shade.
 
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Actually not that bad of a perspective. I got us better in 3 of the 4 defensive backfield, TE, and 2 of the 5 OL. So 8. Even at RB.
Not even at rb…. They are both leaps and bounds better then price

I love watts but downs is better so 2 secondary
 
Now I see, but that at the time not so much.
My sophomore year the same guy beat me in the state semi-finals, my senior year I won the state final, and he (a freshman at the University of Iowa), came and cheered me on.
So, in the end YOU WON.

GOOD STUFF!

That must have been SATISFYING.

There's nothing like WINNING.
 
OSU seemed to be the team of destiny
And I would REPEAT because they were the better team.

When you have the BETTER TEAM, it's a lot easier being the TEAM OF DESTINY.

It moves beyond just the DREAM REALM.

Holtz's 88 team was CLEARLY a team of destiny. But then it had REASON to be. It beat very strong UM, Miami, USC and West Virginia teams.

I never felt an 88 VIBE with this year's ND team, AS GAME AS IT WAS. It just wasn't as COMPLETE a team, especially given the INJURIES.
 
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Stay out of the locker room if you can’t handle masculinity. We were good this year. We had dawgs. They’re not going to take a loss lightly. We competed against the biggest super team in college football history. A $20 million roster and still only lost by 11. This team was legit. Molly McGrath said these guys were pleasant. Don’t go stalking Christian Gray when he’s hurting and you won’t have issues. The reporter is lucky he didn’t get his ass kicked. Would’ve been cooler if he did.
 
That's a pretty cool story. Sounds like a classy opponent.
He's very classy, very humble.
We've fist met when I was in 7th grade at a wrestling camp and every year since till my Sr year.
I wrestled him 100 times(never during the regular season) and I done well, BUT when I went up against him in the state meets he always won. He was never in my head. He was just better when it counted.
 
Stay out of the locker room if you can’t handle masculinity. We were good this year. We had dawgs. They’re not going to take a loss lightly. We competed against the biggest super team in college football history. A $20 million roster and still only lost by 11. This team was legit. Molly McGrath said these guys were pleasant. Don’t go stalking Christian Gray when he’s hurting and you won’t have issues. The reporter is lucky he didn’t get his ass kicked. Would’ve been cooler if he did.
“…The reporter is lucky he didn’t get his ass kicked…”
 
“…The reporter is lucky he didn’t get his ass kicked…”
Correct. You’re dealing with 19-22 year old kids who lost the biggest game of their lives. Not the time to press them when they’re distraught. At that age, the brain has a hard time distinguishing between the loss of a loved one and the loss of a national title. This isn’t the NFL where they’re losing despite making a living. This was the best team we’ve had in 30 years and the vast majority are dawgs, religious, and over achievers. But they’re also elite, high testosterone driven elite future pro male athletes with high expectations for themselves and a deep belief in Jesus Christ (something you mock). Some turd reporter doesn’t have the right to be offended by kids being pissed about him pressing Gray when he has a towel over his head. If anything, it speaks to the culture freeman has built. Don’t **** with my boys. Nobody cares about this fat loser reporter. Just like nobody cares about your posts or your liberal woke bullshit.
 
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Dan Wolken reported it was unprofessional and tense in ND locker room after the game. Anyone have insight?
The way I heard it was a reporter maybe Wolkien himself began constantly bothering Gray[who was already upset emotionally and drained] with a barrage of questions on his miscues and either Jayden Thomas or BenMo got in their face and told them to leave him alone. They could've asked questions once the players got composed more but they chose to pour salt in the wounds. Lowlife so-called sports reporters. Why couldn't they interview the victors and leave it at that. Then ask ND kids later questions without callousness.
 
Correct. You’re dealing with 19-22 year old kids who lost the biggest game of their lives. Not the time to press them when they’re distraught. At that age, the brain has a hard time distinguishing between the loss of a loved one and the loss of a national title. This isn’t the NFL where they’re losing despite making a living. This was the best team we’ve had in 30 years and the vast majority are dawgs, religious, and over achievers. But they’re also elite, high testosterone driven elite future pro male athletes with high expectations for themselves and a deep belief in Jesus Christ (something you mock). Some turd reporter doesn’t have the right to be offended by kids being pissed about him pressing Gray when he has a towel over his head. If anything, it speaks to the culture freeman has built. Don’t **** with my boys. Nobody cares about this fat loser reporter. Just like nobody cares about your posts or your liberal woke bullshit.
Correct. You’re dealing with 19-22 year old kids who lost the biggest game of their lives. Not the time to press them when they’re distraught. At that age, the brain has a hard time distinguishing between the loss of a loved one and the loss of a national title. This isn’t the NFL where they’re losing despite making a living. This was the best team we’ve had in 30 years and the vast majority are dawgs, religious, and over achievers. But they’re also elite, high testosterone driven elite future pro male athletes with high expectations for themselves and a deep belief in Jesus Christ (something you mock). Some turd reporter doesn’t have the right to be offended by kids being pissed about him pressing Gray when he has a towel over his head. If anything, it speaks to the culture freeman has built. Don’t **** with my boys. Nobody cares about this fat loser reporter. Just like nobody cares about your posts or your liberal woke bullshit.
Kudos sir kudos.
 
Oh please, reporters have a job too. You’re in the spotlight in the national championship game, expect to answer some questions on a huge play in the game. What I do have issue with is Woke taking to social media to gripe, get some thicker skin and understand the room of young people. No need to feel slighted by kids.
 
Kudos sir kudos.
Yeah, high testosterone is right. Somebody's got his testes all in a huff. And I ain't talking about Christian Gray or Ben Morrison. Good thing discretion got the better part of valor on that one. Could you imagine if one of our players, one of them 'dawgs', just lost control for a moment, on account of too much testosterone pumping through them veins, like a effin' animal or something ferociously fending off the rest of the would-be alphas trying to get in on his bitch, 'dawg' is right, and just knocked that that frail, chubby woke reporter out, and really effed him up good, and somebody filmed it on their phone with a nice clear vivid view of the whole thing. That would be a quick end to the MF era at ND.

And I don't think people at that age have any trouble whatsoever distinguishing between the death of their dad, let's say, who probably taught them how to be such 'dawgs' in the first place, and losing a big football game. That's just made up bullshit.
 
Wolken approached Christian Gray about the Smith play.--intending to find out how he screwed up. He basically got run out by players protecting Gray. I have no issue with them protecting their brother at that moment in that way. His "amateur hour" comment shows that he has personally injected his own feelings into the story. I am a peaceful man, but if I ever see that guy on an unlit street it will definitely be a tense environment.
He didn't "screw up" he got beat by a superior player. You're insinuating he made an error.
 
He didn't "screw up" he got beat by a superior player. You're insinuating he made an error.
Stop… he was 5 yards behind smith… smith is fast but not a burner, gray sold out on the slant and gave the entire outside third of the field … no where in the route was gray EVER close to smith. At no point in the route could gray have even put a hand on him and that’s terrible in a game on the line situation.. …gray was really late turning hips and going, his common mistake he’s made many times the last 5 games

On that play watch how Moore covered Tate ( I think)… blanketed. Moore is a great comer, gray isn’t close. Gray is ok, but not for what ND asked and needed him to do

Gray was bawling after the game because he knows… benmo was an ass to reporters because he knows and was trying to protect him

Golden and gray are to blame for that play
 
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He didn't "screw up" he got beat by a superior player. You're insinuating he made an error.
I don't think he screwed up. I was describing Wolken's approach. I love the kid. He had to cut off the short competition and if you get beat deep in that situation you tip your cap.
 
I don't think he screwed up. I was describing Wolken's approach. I love the kid. He had to cut off the short competition and if you get beat deep in that situation you tip your cap.
His form and approach were terrible, he sold out 100% on inside route, with no safety help it was a simple pitch and catch for osu. Smith could have just turned around and caught a 15 yard completion because at no point did gray attempt to cover him

It was an a awful position for gray to be put in, but he didn’t handle it well
 
I think the blame would be on Al Golden and MF. Not effin' CG. He was literally all by himself on an island on the far side of the field, one on one, with this 6-3 supposed generational badass. On his coaches' orders. No one would ever think to blame the DB in that situation. Any normal, sane fan would think, as I did, at least in retrospect, that maybe we should have been in a different defensive alignment. And why on earth is Jeremiah Smith all by himself in a very lonely man coverage scenario with no other defender anywhere near, on third and long with the game on the line. Is there not some kind of zone coverage, with safety help, that we could employ in this critical instance?
 
I think the blame would be on Al Golden and MF. Not effin' CG. He was literally all by himself on an island on the far side of the field, one on one, with this 6-3 supposed generational badass. On his coaches' orders. No one would ever think to blame the DB in that situation. Any normal, sane fan would think, as I did, at least in retrospect, that maybe we should have been in a different defensive alignment. And why on earth is Jeremiah Smith all by himself in a very lonely man coverage scenario with no other defender anywhere near, on third and long with the game on the line. Is there not some kind of zone coverage, with safety help, that we could employ in this critical instance?
100% it’s on golden first, but gray did a terrible job doing anything he was supposed to… you can’t continue to give up that much space. He really didn’t even attempt to cover him
 
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