They pretty much said ND made the decision 20 years ago. Don't remember exactly how they said it but basically to de emphasize football. I really need to know if this is true. The greatest franchise in sports is now a joke.As a fan I have never been so disappointed. I feel like ND gave up 20 years ago but, no one told us.
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Most of us figured it out years ago. Again, I won't go to another game until they reemphasize football. If others follow along changes will have to be made. ND only cares about $. Once that dries up.........
All you need to know is the following...
1. ND requires its players to have higher than the NCAA minimum to get into school and requires its players to have multiple foreign language courses.
2. ND refuses non-graduate transfers, and JUCO transfers.
3. ND suspends student athletes for entire seasons, for offenses that result in single game suspensions at other schools. Discipline it out of the hands of the coaches like it is at big time programs.
4. ND does not pay competitive salaries to its head coach or its assistants. I'm talking competitive with the likes of Alabama or Texas.
5. ND asks far more out of it's players during the fall semester than do most other highly competitive schools.
Those 5 factors alone make it nearly impossible to win at a consistently high level at Notre Dame. In a college football world where other schools push those 5 factors to the absolute limit each year and find new ways to make it easier for kids to solely focus on football, ND has moved only the slightest bit in that direction.
For every inch Brian Kelly gets at ND, Nick Saban gets another mile at Alabama.
1. ND requires its players to have higher than the NCAA minimum to get into school and requires its players to have multiple foreign language courses.
2. ND refuses non-graduate transfers, and JUCO transfers.
3. ND suspends student athletes for entire seasons, for offenses that result in single game suspensions at other schools. Discipline it out of the hands of the coaches like it is at big time programs.
4. ND does not pay competitive salaries to its head coach or its assistants. I'm talking competitive with the likes of Alabama or Texas.
5. ND asks far more out of it's players during the fall semester than do most other highly competitive schools.
Those 5 factors alone make it nearly impossible to win at a consistently high level at Notre Dame. In a college football world where other schools push those 5 factors to the absolute limit each year and find new ways to make it easier for kids to solely focus on football, ND has moved only the slightest bit in that direction.
For every inch Brian Kelly gets at ND, Nick Saban gets another mile at Alabama.
Thanks iio ND football may represent NDs values but, Lou Holtz represented my fb values.
Jack and his co-host said nothing about ND's attempt to de-emphasize football. He did say that it is tougher to be a student/athlete now than it was 20 years ago.
You left out that the administration is laughing all the way to the bank as suckers are willing to keep paying $150 for a garbage product. ND has become evil.
That's not
No Jack was drawing the contrast between when he was covering the ND teams from the80s to 90s and the last twenty or so years And inferred that there was more a focus on academics. Bottom line some of the players from Lou's teams could not get into ND today. I take it to mean they de emphasized fb . You can take it how ever you want.
We have known this since 1996. When Lou was forced out. Big boy Football is played elsewhere.
I've heard for years Holtz was "forced out" as though it was common knowledge that they practically changed the locks on his office door. I call BS. I think the only one forcing out Holtz was Holtz himself who had health issues, whose wife had health issues, and who realized his job was getting harder given the tougher admission restrictions.
Excuses. Excuses, excuses. Go ahead and tell me that Stanford, NCST, Duke, MSU and Texas gets better recruits than us, it's pure BS. ND's problem is as obvious as the nose on a face. It's coaching, and lack thereof. We may not have the talent level to beat Alabama, but we damn well have the talent to beat the teams we are losing to.
Second point is,as much as I hate it, ND should join the ACC as a full member. Give the kids something to play for other than another money making bowl game. These kids have no interest in or reollection of ND's storied past, Hell we haven't won a national title in 28 freaking years, haven't won a major bowl game since the early 90's ... these kids weren't even born. Give them something more to play for, and drop the bullshit notion that we play for national championships. ND has become about money and money only. Sad but true.
Second point is,as much as I hate it, ND should join the ACC as a full member. Give the kids something to play for other than another money making bowl game. These kids have no interest in or reollection of ND's storied past, Hell we haven't won a national title in 28 freaking years, haven't won a major bowl game since the early 90's ... these kids weren't even born. Give them something more to play for, and drop the bullshit notion that we play for national championships. ND has become about money and money only. Sad but true.
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so, were these Nolan's words? or words he was instructed to deliver?
Is this the official raising of the 'White Flag' ?
Is the ND administration officially telling ND fans, sub alums and alums that we are no longer interested on competing for national supremacy in football?
Did they express any gratitude for the millions:billions sent their way in the past?
Is this the official raising of the 'White Flag' ?
Is the ND administration officially telling ND fans, sub alums and alums that we are no longer interested on competing for national supremacy in football?
Did they express any gratitude for the millions:billions sent their way in the past?
The stadium renovation is all academic. That's all you need to know. Last night was my last game in the stadium until things change. Paying 125 bucks per ticket does not match the product on the field.
I asked my Dad why did they upgrade the stadium if they wont pay top money for coaches. He said it helps the university, not the football program.
actually part of all the coaches failing at notre dame is due to the admin. notre dame can win 10 games but there are more likely to be an 8 game winning program. unless the admin gives a bit there is no way notre dame gets a great coach recruits where you can be a NC or be in the playoff picture consistently read into it what you want. CFB talent is coming from inner cities or areas where academics are not as emphasized. excellent assistance and head coaches are getting paid at higher clip. Notre dame does not pay
I agree but that wasn't my point. My point is that there is nothing Kelly or any coach can do to overcome those obstacles administration has placed in front of him. We may not like it but those are the facts and I think its unfair to evaluate Kelly performance based on winning a NC because, IMO, that's an impossible task.
That said I think it's completely fair to hold a coach to the standard of 9-10 regular season wins most years (there will be exceptions) and Kelly has fallen short of that standard and needs to go.
Kelly is certainly burdened with handicaps but this season, the schedule was a walkover and Kelly made incredibly questionable decisions that just were a cluster f'n
The Era of Mediocrity has been ongoing for 22 years and 5 different head coaches now, which seems like enough of a sample size to measure the data. The average over that time is about 7.7 wins per year. We've had 9 seasons of 9+ wins in the 22 years.
It's a well-oiled machine. Lofty academic standards and competent football fuel the real money train: the peddling of nostalgia. The coffers are filled up and the cycle repeats.
More excuses ...over and over excuse after excuse.
Without going into detail I will say one thing...
The above things you listed minus the one exception being STINGY.....
NONE of those are contributing currently to the atrocious play on display.
Zero❕
Quit making excuses for this coach already.
It is very interesting readig all the old excuses , especially the ones concerning admission.
ND certainly has high admission standards, but so do a good number of other universities.
Our schedule this year should have been a piece of cake. We lost the first few game because the defense
sucked.BVG got fired and our defense was near perfect last night.
It appeared to me that our O line in the first quarter last night was actually run blocking pretty well and we were moving the ball on the ground. I thought, WOW , we are going to play smash mouth football tonight ?
then, Kelly went back to being Kelly, and he went back to his passing game. Kizer had an off night and his passing game costs us and allowed Standford to get back into the game.
In spite of Kizer,s off night, bringing zaire in was a big mistake.( nothing against Zaire ) because Kizer
is still one of our most dynamic and explosive players, and the team reacts well to Kizer.
Passing not going well, then go back-to running the ball. There again Kizer is like having a fullback
at quarter back. The kid can rip off big gains.
in short, the players did not lose that game, the administration did not lose that game, Admissions did
not lose that game, Kelly lost the game as he has lost so many other close games to teams with inferior talent.
ND certainly has high admission standards, but so do a good number of other universities.
Our schedule this year should have been a piece of cake. We lost the first few game because the defense
sucked.BVG got fired and our defense was near perfect last night.
It appeared to me that our O line in the first quarter last night was actually run blocking pretty well and we were moving the ball on the ground. I thought, WOW , we are going to play smash mouth football tonight ?
then, Kelly went back to being Kelly, and he went back to his passing game. Kizer had an off night and his passing game costs us and allowed Standford to get back into the game.
In spite of Kizer,s off night, bringing zaire in was a big mistake.( nothing against Zaire ) because Kizer
is still one of our most dynamic and explosive players, and the team reacts well to Kizer.
Passing not going well, then go back-to running the ball. There again Kizer is like having a fullback
at quarter back. The kid can rip off big gains.
in short, the players did not lose that game, the administration did not lose that game, Admissions did
not lose that game, Kelly lost the game as he has lost so many other close games to teams with inferior talent.
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