we are talking about kids coming out of high school and we have no idea what type of class this could become. We could be saying 5 years from now that this is the best ND class in the last two decades. We just don't know how it will all play out. How many big time college players are can't miss NFL prospects and then all of a sudden are out of the league in two years because they couldn't hack it? All these so called experts who put stars by these kids names do most of you actually think of them as experts? I certainly don't. These kids need to show up and if they work hard in the weight room, in the classroom, and on the field then they will turn Into great young men ready to make a positive impact both on and off the field. Let's let them get to campus first before we all start saying what a disappointing class this is because none of you know how these kids will progress.
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on offense I will no longer question BK when it comes to talent evaluations. Getting unheard of guys in high school like Fuller and Procise into the NFL and under recruited guys like Adams to look like future studs I fully expect anyone recruited on offense to have a shot to be a star someday.
on defense though we'll see. there's some serious potential, but at this point that's all it is
on defense though we'll see. there's some serious potential, but at this point that's all it is
That's wishful thinking. 3* don't suddenly become elite players on the next level. Yes there might be 3* here and there that becomes an elite player but as a collective unit they will never outperform 4-5* players. Who is winning/contesting for National Championships? It's always programs that are consistently getting top 5 type of recruiting classes. It's very safe bet to say that this will not be best recruiting class in decades @ ND.
Lol. The DE from Walled Lake Central that is a three star is as green as Ezekiel Ansah at BYU. His film isn't the greatest, but obviously the staff sees potential. He's the second worst rated player we took outside of the LS, but I'm willing to see how it turns out. Hell, Schmidt was a walkon.
All you do is bitch and moan. Nothing about ND is good enough for you. GTFO. We really don't need fans like you.
again you acting like a little bit$h and throwing a hissy fit is not going to make me root for another team. You are nobody to say "We don't need fans like you"... You are a tiny man without any authority so next time don't act like you are the head honcho @ ND who gets to decide who can or can't be a fan.
You have already decided for yourself. ND is no good. ND is mediocre. Patheti. All your name calling doesn't change the fact that you are a fair weather fan.
It's not just me anyone with some mental capacity can come to same conclusion that ND can't beat the likes of Ohio State, Alabama, (Michigan in the future), Clemson, and probably few other SEC schools. Notre Dame can end up around 10-15 at the end of year in final rankings some years and could be in bottom 20's to unranked in some years. Now that might be good enough for you but I want ND to be better than that. So according to your definition of a fan anyone should be supportive/positive at all times regardless of results and should not offer any critical thought. I don't like the fact that our ceiling is about #15 ranking on average (I am being a bit generous with that #15 ranking by the way)..
2010 - unranked
2011 - unranked
2012 - #4
2013 - #20
2014 - unranked
2015 - #11
Your opinion is different than mine but I never asked you to stop rooting for ND right? I could also use excuse that we don't need fans like you who accept mediocrity however i won't do that. Because ND fans like her students are a diverse bunch and each one has right to voice their opinion.
What's the rank of Oregon's recruiting classes in the last 10 years? Keeping in mind, in that time they have played for the national title twice, and in the first go around were basically a muffed tackle from winning.
I will concede that point (in fact I almost typed in my post that Oregon is possibly the only exception). Oregon has done more with less. They did have damn good/elite coach in Chip Kelly.
By the same point look at schools such as
USC, LSU, Georgia, Oklahoma
All have continually recruited in the top 10 or so for the last decade. And the only success any of them has had was LSU. And their last title is almost a decade ago already
Both Georgia and LSU play in SEC. That is a tough league and only one team can come out each year and you know that is Alabama. If LSU played in any other league they will most likely be in Playoffs every year. Oklahoma has done very well (they are playing/winning New year's bowls each year).. Georgia had the talent but they had Charlie Weis coaching them.
USC is in same boat as Georgia since Pete Carroll left they haven't found the right guy to use all that talent. Recruiting classes go a long way but so does coaching. Watch Michigan in next few years to see what kind of results you get when you have great recruiting classes matched with equally good coach.
I can tell you if ND played in SEC we would lose at least 4 games each year. Hell we are losing that many when we play the likes of Navy, Pitt, Northwestern, Louisville and so on....So to sum up Oregon had an OK talent but a great coach. We have average talent and slightly above average coach and thus average results.
2010 - BK was taking over a program that had good players but really was essentially dead.
2011 was a very fluky year. Rees fumbles while throwing a pass at UM, South FL, USC we fumble a snap on the 1 and then kick it backwards to the waiting hands of their defender.
2012 - we got lucky several times and played above our talent level
2013 we lost our starting QB to academics before the year
2014 -lost 5 players to academic in fall camp and then a great number of starters to injury during the year.
2015 - we lost our starting QB, RB, TE and several players on the defense all in the first few weeks and still managed to only lose to 3 top 5 teams in the final poll, 2 of which were on the road.
not to mention: Declan Sullivan, eddie vanderdoes, lizzy seaburg, Lenei Kakua and Matt James. The fact that BK hasn't lost his mind by now is amazing.
I understand BK isn't infallible, but the haters refuse to acknowledge that there has been an insane amount of adversity he has dealt w/ here and still managed to win over 70% of the games since he's come here.
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Do you know the defination of most? LSU is 7-4 in bowl games under Miles.
1 was loss to Bama in NC
1 was 1 point loss to Clemson
Refresh my memory. Maybe I should have said recently. Add ND..,so in the last 4 years?
Come on now. The SEC thing is tired. When Saban was at LSU he was winning, and right after he left they were still doing just fine. The further you got away from his recruits at LSU the worse they have done.
As for Oklahoma the last 4 post season games they have played, they have lost 3, their lone win was against Bama a couple years ago. The last two years they have played Clemson and lost by a combined: 77 to 23. In neither game did they finish closer than 20 points in the margin of difference.
Georgia has had a coach no better or worse than Les Miles averaging about 10 wins a season, went to a bowl (I believe) every year Richt was there. Yet not a single title to talk about (above division / conference level)
My point being that you can have terrific players, and sketchy coaching and get the exact same results as mediocre recruiting and elite level coaching.
Now that is not to say that Kelly is elite while at ND. Matter of fact there are plenty of things to call him out on. But with half of the upper level of college football signing their head coaches in the last 3 year cycle. There really isn't a 'proven' option. Maybe if Narduzzi is successful at PITT (which I don't think he will be) or someone similar than ND can try to pull them in and put more of a power run game in.
exactly. how do you not when you call the right play and the QB fumbles the ball out the back of his hand when he's throwing to an open receiver? How do you not when you finally have all the pieces in place and your RB tears his acl making a cut, when your QB goes down for the year getting tackled? when you lose nearly half your starters from fall camp and still end 10-3 and fans cry. when you land a 5* kid and he tragically falls to his death on spring break? When your super star Heisman candidate gets put on every publication in America b/c he was taken advantage of for being naïve? I know you hate BK and nothing outside of your blind hatred means anything, but I'm posting to the other people on this board that might actually be swayed by this crap.
I don't know any coach worth a damn that would seriously consider coming to ND anymore if BK left. No real recruiting base to pull from, cold northern, small town environment with high academic standards and a fan base that declares you a bum when you win almost 3 out of every 4 games you coach in 6 years. yeah good luck getting someone like Meyer or saban to jump at that.
I don't know any coach worth a damn that would seriously consider coming to ND anymore if BK left. No real recruiting base to pull from, cold northern, small town environment with high academic standards and a fan base that declares you a bum when you win almost 3 out of every 4 games you coach in 6 years. yeah good luck getting someone like Meyer or saban to jump at that.
You make a lot of assumptions. I don't hate BK. I am critical of his play calling at times.
This slew of excuses that you have listed are not unique to ND it happens to many teams each year.
Matt James was 4* according to rivals and he did not play defense
Don't make excuses about Manti Teo'.. I may be naive but i don't go around making up fake stories about GF's death.
When was the last time Mich St had a top 10 recruiting class?
Yet they beat Ohst's best team money can buy and made the playoff. It is about coaching and getting the most out of your players. Kelly lost the bowl game when he sent home 2 starters on defense. Next year with a healthy team ND can make the playoff.
Yet they beat Ohst's best team money can buy and made the playoff. It is about coaching and getting the most out of your players. Kelly lost the bowl game when he sent home 2 starters on defense. Next year with a healthy team ND can make the playoff.
Next year's schedule looks quite manageable.
We play three tough games (Mich. State, USC, Stanford). I believe all three are starting new qb's
On paper we should be able to beat all three. But if we somehow manage to do that we'll drop a game against NC state or the like and be 'close' but not quite there again. I hope I am wrong.
What do you mean by WE? Are you on the roster? Why don't you get a life and get out your mom's basement. Who do you want ND to play? They are one of the only teams to play a schedule with oppositions from Div I teams.
I didn't realize you were such a dumba$$ that i have to explain my use of We to you. This is how everyone refers to a team that they follow. What do you use 'they'? Why are you so hyper sensitive.
For the sake of argument, let's assume you're a real ND fan and not a troll: what are the realistic proposals you would make to improve ND's football program? And again, they have to be realistic. I'm quite eager to read your recommendations. They should be quite telling.
Actually there are numerous examples every year of three star recruits becoming elite players in college.
Sending home those 2 kids was a great move. Redfield thinks he is good and Tillery failed a drug test. Hopefully Tillery learns from this but I doubt Redfield ever gets it.
My sad conclusion is that getting a better coach at ND will be all but impossible. Kelly is excellent at recruiting and very good at coaching. He is not elite at either and that frankly is why we are where we are. With the huge recruiting and academic restrictions we are under we can never truly recruit with Alabama and company. So we would need better overall coaching and development of talent to offset that.
Finding someone that can put up with the pressure and is better than Kelly at one or the other is all but impossible. Just feeling a little pessimistic right now.
Finding someone that can put up with the pressure and is better than Kelly at one or the other is all but impossible. Just feeling a little pessimistic right now.
You say that like it's a good thing. Ansah didn't do much in college. He had 1 decent season where he had 60 or 70 tackles and 4 sacks. The guy was hardly a standout in college.
