Because they're on the job, working for their employer at that time. And also, it shows disrespect for the flag and the military who defend it.
Kizer supporting kneeling teammates during National Anthem.
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Because they're on the job, working for their employer at that time. And also, it shows disrespect for the flag and the military who defend it.
Exonerate means absolve. You have absolved by repeating a half a dozen times in the same thread that the crowd behavior is worse and therefore, that makes the players publicity driven "protest" OK. You also gave the players the dignified way out by making it their choice to kneel as if it's an act of unparalleled courage, and yet again, comparing the fan behavior to what these kneelers are doing. Using a term that you understand...apples and oranges. We are talking a fake attention seeking "protest". Not fan behavior. Do you even read what you post?
It is pretty simple. It would have to be a negotiated clause In the CBA.
No. That's your opinion. In multiple reponses including one to you I do not agree with their actions. Pointing out that I perceive others disrespectful actions during the anthem as more egregious is hardly exonerating. Then again in your narrow closed mind maybe it is.
Which is why I'll ask you, why are you so mad that people criticize the protesters, when nobody actually stopped them? No police or security stopped the players. No fans came out of the stands and attacked them.
That said, here is the real problem with this. Some of the Cleveland players explaining their protest said (paraphrasing), "We want to bring everybody together."
Ok, well you aren't going to bring everybody together when you protest in a way you know will anger a large segment of the population, particularly those you are supposedly trying to persuade.
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No, I most certainly can argue it. Claiming Bannon is a racist because he happens to indirectly agree with some hate groups on certain issues is like claiming Obama is a communist, just because he happens to indirectly agree with some communist groups on certain issues. If I dig around, I can surely find some nutjob communist who wrote an article similar to this one, praising Obama. That no more means Obama "encouraged" them that Bannon "encouraged" the hate groups.
Not a very impressive response, and it's a nice lunge to write in "indirectly." Bear in mind I didn't address the issue of whether Steve Brannon was a racist, but whether his hiring had encouraged racists. Perhaps you should work on the angle of whether it's fair to call Duke a racist. Rather than "dig around" for a source, I cited the former Grand Wizard of the Klu Klux Klan and major domo of White Supremacist hatred, and his endorsement was rousing. Even in your attempt at parallel construction missed the mark, as I'd posit that receiving support from a nutjob communist is better than receiving such from a pedigreed Nazi. You'll have to do a better job if you want the dubious title of Steve Bannon's Sean Spicer.
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President Obama is Cut From the Same Cloth as Saul Alinsky.
Enough said
President Obama and that race-baiter - racist leader - racist Al Sharpton encourage black lives matter
I think Raheem Kassam would have a better understanding weather Steve Bannon is a racist and a white supremacist better than you
Stop them how? The players kneeling have all the fake news media backing them. This country's media resembles North Korea /Cuba.
They wouldn't even know why they are kneeling if it weren't for the talking points and cliches they ingest from the media and activists on a daily basis. They can do parrot like regurgitation of tired talking points but they cannot go any deeper than that. What are these mental giants doing about minority teen pregnancy, minority high school drop out rates, minority on minority crime, gangs, the failure of the Detroit city fathers to take care of their own city which happens to be black, drug use, Chicago's Mayor Tiny Dancer, who is in your face standing tall about the shooting rates and murders in his city. These kneelers won't address these problems because , quite frankly, it isn't a sexy protest and they most likely don't know anything about these issues anyway because the media won't talk about it.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-disrespect-the-flag-all-stand-during-anthem/
Appears the Browns listened to their own legend Jim Brown.
Appears the Browns listened to their own legend Jim Brown.
Ah, Toby not so,the king of assumptions. You have absolutely no idea what any of those players do or do not do behind the scenes. Amazing.
I will go out on a limb and say that these guys only know generalities that have been fed to them by the media and social media. I've heard enough speak to make an educated "assumption". Ask them about all the other crisis I mentioned above and they just wouldn't know or care because that would force them to confront the very people who support the protest. The media won't push deeper in their interviews with these kneelers because the current story is holy ground and the protesters are righteous courageous holy men. Lots of incredibly sad and serious issues going on within the minority community but the media and politicians responsible are ever so happy to do a switch and bait with a willing accomplice in these NFL / NBA protesters.
Correction my good man. Blaming Steve Bartman for the Cubs loss to the Marlins was the dumbest statement ever posted on this board.
If you believe dog whistles dont exist because you cant hear them then you are as stupid as we think you are. And yes you and all comrade Trumpsky's supporters are racists and traitors.
Typical left-winger. Offers nothing substantive, other than name-calling.
well my pastor will be ok with that.. as long as you come... but seriously why people get offended by praying...my high school team used to do that.. we say a pray then stand-up....
No, it's a perfectly effective response. This claim of yours is a way pinning racism onto someone who you haven't actually proved is racist. It's a way discredit someone in your mind, and thus not have to deal with any substantive issues.
This isn't the first time that a racist group supported endorsed the policies of a party or president. That's not "encouragement" by said party or president. It doesn't discredit the policies or personnel. For example, hate groups supported Reagan's anti-Soviet stance, on the convoluted grounds that communism was some worldwide "Jewish conspiracy." It's simply inaccurate and unreasonable to try to discredit or blame Reagan based on unsolicited support from hate groups. Reagan's policies did not have the same goals, nor were the based on the same motivation, as the hate groups. Same thing with this situation.
To your last point, no support from a nutjob communist is not "better" that support from nazis. They are both violent, deluded groups.
"Dogwhistles" are just a way to discredit someone without actually having the evidence to do so. Simply dishonest.
As another poster pointed out, you don't have facts to support your opinion, so you jump straight to namecalling. It proves nothing to insult someone from behind a computer.
You absolutely need law enforcement at games for the protection of thousands of fans, which include women and children.
