grimes should be fired. if not he should be kissing kellys ass . grimes was WAY out of line.
Kelly needs to be suspended next game....
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yes because every coach in the heat of the moment in a close game reacts that way, gimme a break. holtz would have fired him on the spot.
I guess you were on the sidelines then. how was the view ? defending grimes actions just shows how stupid you are. he deserves to be fired. know your place. he's a grad assistant. his job is to get coffee and shut the hell up.
Michigan fans are celebrating after barely stopping Minnesota at the 1-yard line on the final play and beating a team that is 4-4.
Some Notre Dame fans are doing the normal bitching, pissing, and moaning following a win against a team that came in undefeated. Lost in their complaints is that Temple is actually pretty darn good, but that wouldn't fit their agenda. This was by far the biggest game in the history of that program and they came to play.
To me, it's the sign of a well-coached team to find a way to win when the chips are down in a hostile environment.
All the people claiming by attacking Grimes we avoided a 15 yard penalty.....I have never seen a penalty called on a head coach or an assistant coach from the sidelines for complaining about officiating - never....basketball yes with technical fouls but never football.
Even heard a Big 10 referee speak and say they are trained to take it and to just ignore it.
But of course somehow Kellh saved us 15 yards by attaching David Grimes. Interesting spin.
Even heard a Big 10 referee speak and say they are trained to take it and to just ignore it.
But of course somehow Kellh saved us 15 yards by attaching David Grimes. Interesting spin.
not saying he saved it just saying he was doing his best to avoid one. no one here knows what grimes was saying. by the way I played in the big 10 and was on the sideline when George perles got more than one flag. it's rare but it happens.
I've seen it. I can't recall the game (it's been a couple of years), but a coach went on the field to protest a call and got flagged. Now, I will admit he was about in the middle of the field and well off the sidelines.
If you remember, last year Pat Haden had to go down on the sideline in order to prevent Sarkisian from being tossed over arguing calls.
I thought it was standard practice that only the HC talks to the officials. It seems to me that the HC has to have total control of the sidelines. It was an unfortunate incident and I am sure BK and David had a private talk post game. I had the chance to view an Irish game on the sideline, by our own bench, about 15 years ago and there are all kinds of things going on that fans are not aware of. BK has to be aware that cameras are on him all the time. Maybe it could have been handled better just for the sake of appearance. Was he asked about it in the post game presser?
Just perusing this guy's posting history: 16 posts and not one of them positive about ND. Hmmm, I wonder what other handles this troll posts under: bdncsa? Hoosier Storm?
missed the incident 'live' and have not watched it w\sound, was anything picked up by the sound equipment?
was Grimes mouthing off such that he was in jeopardy of getting a penalty? The look on the faces of players and coaches near was a look of "wtf!" and Grimes look horrified. It was like the hit Ryan put on Weis.
Obviously the 'incident' will be shown over and over and over and over by the media. (I will continue an attempt to miss it if possible!). Undeniably, It does not reflect well on anyone.
was Grimes mouthing off such that he was in jeopardy of getting a penalty? The look on the faces of players and coaches near was a look of "wtf!" and Grimes look horrified. It was like the hit Ryan put on Weis.
Obviously the 'incident' will be shown over and over and over and over by the media. (I will continue an attempt to miss it if possible!). Undeniably, It does not reflect well on anyone.
Coaches are employees. You don't physically assault employees. All the Neanderthal, tough guy football cliches don't change the fact that Kelly and the University could get sued technically. It's 2015, not 1977.
Watched it several times on replay, didn't look that bad. Grimes should not have been moving towards the ref and bloviating. And yes, he sure could have and very well may have gotten a penalty. Kelly was well within his prerogative. It's the ND sideline and that is under Kelly's complete control and responsibility. Much to do over nothing. Let's move on. (still like to know why the offensive line could not move Temple's people out and give Prosise a hole to run through) Oh, Kizer just keeps improving. Will be a great QB before to long. Best skills from any QB here in years.
I don't know exactly what Grimes said or did, neither does anyone here, but Kelly has a right, actually an obligation to take action if a player or coach is our of line and I very much like the fact that Kelly is a doer who takes action rather than kissing ass if his coach was out of line.
I swear, few here have never been near a real team or know the dynamics of coaching, leadership and the passion that separates true success from imposters.
I swear, few here have never been near a real team or know the dynamics of coaching, leadership and the passion that separates true success from imposters.
oh please. should Kelly have asked him to "pretty please, shut his damn mouth " ? grimes was completely out of his role.
w/o Kizer, and with EG we are not today thinking major bowl!
note EG threw a RZ int last game and yesterday he had a concussion.
note EG threw a RZ int last game and yesterday he had a concussion.
Could get sued? For what?
Watch other games.
It happens all the time with coaches arguing amongst themselves. Plus, there's no telling what happens on the practice field and in the locker room.
if grimes is smart at all he'll be kissing kellys butt all over campus. his actions last night certainly won't endear him to others in his profession and his potential employment prospects elsewhere. my guess is Kelly said his peace and they'll all move forward. guaranteed it won't happen again.
You can't "take action" but physically attacking people. What is wrong with you guys? You can like coach Kelly AND acknowledge he does not need to get physical with them to make a point. Are we ok with him "taking action" and kicking Kizer in his shins when he throws an int? How about a Flair chop to BVG's chest when the defense gives up another big play? Maybe Jack Swarbrick can smack Kelly in the face on national tv the next time ND loses. Ya know, just to show he "takes action".
His employer physically assaulted him at work. This is not pro wrestling. I get that you guys think college football is not really "normal" work, but the same rules and laws apply as in "normal" jobs whether you like it or not.
really ? you can't push someone to remove them from a confrontational situation ? you are taking it way out of context.
You know there is a middle ground between "pretty please" and physically going after somebody, right?
that was an "assault" in your eyes ? good lord. if a car was coming at grimes is it okay to push him out of the way ?
Kelly had to be restrained by other coaches. That's not removing Grimes from an oncoming car. Delusional homers.
Jesus H, he had to be removed and restrained by other coaches. You can't be that delusion in your loyalty.
none of know exactly what had occurred. maybe grimes had been warned earlier about running his mouth ? maybe this has been an ongoing issue ? I only know what I saw. small potatoes in my mind and I've seen way worse in my many years in the game.
You guys can go back to your red meat. I just believe Notre Dame should be above coaches shoving each other on the sidelines.
loyalty has nothing to do with it. I saw a coach react in the heat of the moment. none of here know what was said. would I prefer Kelly had not done it ? of course but let's not make WAY more out of it than it is.
above what ? real world. human beings are fallible, all of them. I guarantee behind closed doors Kelly will hear about it as he should. just like grimes got an earful also.
And I'm sure the use of profanity by the coaches offends you, too. I suppose being subjected to that kind of verbal abuse warrants litigation as well. Good grief.
i'm laughing this morning reading all these posts on this thread from posters who I've never heard of before that are basically calling for Kelly's ass. where have these posters been all season when our irish have played well
Did you ever play football? Shit like this happens all the time at virtually every level. I saw it in High School on the practice field and in the locker room. It is an emotional game and people get all worked up in the heat of the moment. It may not have been the perfect way to handle the situation but it happens. People react and then have to apologize later. No one takes it as being personal. They're grown men.
And you're saying we're delusional?
ND has some very exciting players this season, anyone notice that?
As for the other crap; whatever, in the end 'the truth will find you out', whatever it is; and at that, does it really matter?
As for the other crap; whatever, in the end 'the truth will find you out', whatever it is; and at that, does it really matter?
