Kelly Blames Fundraising for 4-8 Season
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How about Larry Williams and Dexter Williams, or Julius Jones with Demetrius Jones, Bob Nelson with Quentin Nelson?
What's your point ? In the context of the discussion he knew exactly what he was doing. I agree some younger fans may be unaware of Blair Kiel. Perhaps you were and that led to your response.
The point is that he just glibly and goofily stressed two former players at ND who had the same last name, and that one could do that in countless iterations. Fact is, Kelly did have a 5 star QB named Kiel. It's a matter of debate as to why he left.
Wasn't t glib or goofy to those of us who got it right away. I thought it was funny.
First off, I never have exchanged a post with him. Whether he was sarcastic or sincere isnt even an issue as far as I'm concerned. I thought it was either ignorant (if he didnt know) or pointless (if he knew). I love wordplay and badinage, so tell me what was funny about it?
No, it's really not matter of debate. He was one of those guys who thought the job should be given to him. He was the decade's answer to Jeff George, who did essentially the same thing in the 1980's.
You don't know diddly squat about what went on the in the one-on-one discussions between Kelly and Kiel that led to his departure, so it's beyond presumptuous to comment about his attitude. No doubt he was a 5-star QB who had sacrificed a year to leave LSU for ND and after another year he still saw himself buried in the depth chart Did his performance merit serious consideration for a starting position or did he feel entitled because of his clippings? Nobody know how things were relayed and if it were fair.
I think it's always at least partly the coach's fault when he creates a bottleneck of talent at a position and let's the highest ranked player depart, especially when no competitors shows especially remarkable skill. Hard to imagine things were properly communicated to Kiel when he transferred from LSU to ND.
Got it. You have no idea of the interplay between BK and Kiel, but it's BK's fault.
The converse would be yours, with it being Kiel's fault. However, my take is a little bit more expanded to cover not only the relationship Kiel and Kelly had during Gunner's time at ND, but with the events involving Kiel's recruitment. While it's a supposition, I think it's more plausible that Kiel would have left because promises were broken than just throwing a pouty fit and electing to leave.
Face palm. You guys will really find any and everything to argue about.
I can't wait for the season to start. Should be a circus in here.
I can't wait for the season to start. Should be a circus in here.
The couple of few fans I talked to at the scrimmage didn't think BKs comments were any big deal. They, like all of us here, just want the season to start.
My bad on that. He decommitted and Les Miles uttered his famous "didn't have the chest" statement. At any rate, Kiel saw himself buried on the depth chart, and for a guy who at that time had NFL aspirations, he elected to transfer to Cincinnati. In retrospect, he was probably kicking himself that Golson experienced academic issues the following year, as he would have had a much clearer path to playing time.
I'd be shocked if he wasn't nauseous over what transpired. The job would have been his.
Not sure what you mean here, but that general flaw is one of Kelly's defining characteristics. Can't help but think back to last year's NC State game, when he was reaming center Sam Mustipher for making a mistake in a hurricane/quagmire. Had Kelly not drawn up a suicidal game plan, the outcome would have been well in hand before any 11th hour snafu,
I don't think anybody's as big on personal responsibility as you are on redundancy.
That statement doesn't make sense, You've done nothing but alibi for Kelly's failure's and portray him as a victim.
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I don't know that it was such an anomaly. That 4-8 year could have been 8-4 and some of those 8-4 years could have been 4-8, or maybe 5-7. Kelly's time at ND has been characterized by inconsistency. That he is still making these mistakes at this stage in his career is troubling to me.
And I think you were a test tube baby when there was still Windex in the container. You don't even know how to spell the player your handle is trying to honor....now that's being a dummy.You are a dummy and it is your parent's fault.
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Kelly has had many failures. Kiel and Crist are not two of them. History has shown he was right about Crist and Kiel chose to turn tail so we'll never know. Mixed results at cinci.
who cares about Gunner Keil? It's all about this year . Always is. I like this ND team . I hope the offense can control the scoreboard early until the D catches up. The running game with Adams, Jones and Dex needs to be accentuated . Keep pounding and BW can run too. IF we can run the Ball it's going to be a great season. Mark it down ND 31 - Dawgs 13.
Strange that you'd dismiss Crist's performance (which fluttered before he was injured) to him just not being good enough. Kiel was the highest ranked QB on Rivals and did display skils at Cinci, throwing for 6 TD's in his debut. I don't think it's axiomatic that he'd fail if given a shot at ND. Funny, that blocking him was Golson, and another QB who regressed.
Of all the QB's to pick as Kelly failures, he picked Kiel and Crist.
Kiel committed to IU, decommitted and then failed to show up the first day he was to report at LSU. He then committed to ND and left in the spring. If it walks like a duck and....... . Plenty of Kelly mistakes and he brings up Gunner. Crist isn't worth discussing.
Huh ? Crist performances speak for themselves. Wildly inconsistent and turned to goo when adversity struck in games. Couldn't t keep the job at Kansas for goodness sakes. Nuff said. Again, we'll never know how Kiel would have fared had he possessed the stones to stick around.
You just go back to square one. Crist sucked, totally independently of Kelly I guess, and that he was injured and had problems at Kansas somehow relates to how he failed when he was healthy. No, Kelly was committed to a lesser talented and mishandled QB than Kiel.
I cited Crist and Kiel because they were the two highest ranked QBs he landed. I also cited that Golson regressed. It was a stroke of genius to alternate Zaire and Kizer in the first game last year (sarcasm). Yeah, Kelly doesn't discriminate in mishandling QBs.
Injuries happen. You want to blame his inconsistent performances on them, thats your perogative. He showed enough in practices to start at two places despite his injury. It just didn't t carry over to the games.
LOL, just like your flubbed effort at spelling P-E-N-I-C-K, you wrote something above that you didn't intend to write. I'm not sure whose fault it is that you're so dopey, but it's a tragedy for you and a comedic gift for virtually everyone else on the board.
Again, the issue of Kelly's failures to develop 5-star QBs Crist and Kiel isn't a major theme of my criticism of the coach. It's just that you have responded so spiritedly on the matter that it's getting an excess of focus.
