I agree in part, that yes we do not retool like tOSU, Bama, FSU etc., but honestly I believe we have enough talent on defense to hold us reasonably in any game, and our offense will get it done. I believe the problem is definitely defensive coaching. .... For whatever reason. If a team scores 44, as we are capable night in and night out, no doubt that should be a W.
ITS NOT LACK OF SCHEME, ITS LACK OF TALENT
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You're delusional if you expect any of this to happen.
Not trying to bust balls here, but some people just don't get it.
THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN, or at the very least until new powers that be take charge, which is unlikely.
What ND can change is that horrible excuse for coaching that has been granted immunity due to the
other issues the Irish have. Regrettably, this us highly unlikely as well.
It is funny that you say that the QB situation is a knock on Kelly but disregard all he has dealt with, especially in terms of injuries, transfers, and suspensions. Oh and I like how you say "talent on defense isn't great" but then expect miracles when we play other programs with similar recruits.
Again I really don't care if they fire BVG but it will be the same argument in 3 years because people don't want to look at reality, that being this isn't the same dominating program from 60 years ago. If we can't get top 10 recruiting classes then we aren't going to win a NC regardless of who we have coaching at facts prove this in college football.
Lol he recruited guys like T'eo Motta, Lewis-Moore, etc? Not saying he didn't get some great recruits because he did but those players also excelled under BVG like Day and Smith.
Wrong, there are a lot of teams with a LOT less talent that do a LOT more than ND. Nope, it's the coaching. Also don't forget the coaches are responsible for recruiting. How do you get championship athletes? Get good coaches that kids want to play for and can get them in the NFL.
Ok. But, the fact the ND defense was standing around in the end zone when the Texas QB ran to the line, snapped the ball and scored, that is a reflection of bad coaching. I know your are an apologists for coaches; but some teams ARE poorly coached. ND is poorly coached.
Big recruits will not come play for a crappy coach. It's a catch 22. But as earlier stated by me and others. There are a lot of teams that would love to have ND's talent, but play much better than ND. Case-n-Point Wisconsin. No, it's the defensive coaching that accounts for 96% of our woes.
Every program in the country deals with the things you mentioned. Also, you didn't read what I said. I said that I didn't think the QB was a reason/excuse but IF you wanted to argue that in 6 years he hasn't been able to win because he couldn't find a QB than that is an indictment on him. If you don't have a QB in the first few years that's understandable, if you don't have a QB by year 5 that is 100% on the coaches.
Once again I have never argued that our defense should be as good as Bama's but it has MORE than enough talent to be average to above average and the last 2 years it's been trash. Again C+ recruiting and F in performance. This defense defense is playing way, way below their talent level.
No matter how you want to argue it; talent, coaching, recruiting, it's year 7 and 100% of everything good or bad is on the coaching staff. As I have said, I don't think ND can ever win a NC given our restrictions but I do think they should win 9-10 games every year and that isn't happening.
Brian Kelly is an excellent football coach and forgot more football than anyone on this board will ever know. With that being said IMO he tried to correct a perceived problem that never existed..
When he got to ND to fix an absolute disaster of a defense ND recruited big players for the front 7 to stop the run. Kept both safeties deep. Played conservative pass coverage and allowed yards and 1st downs but no big plays. Disco kept fronts and blitzes to a minimum and his units prided themselves in playing great Red Zone D.
When BVG was hired Brian Kelly talked about taking the next step on D. Not rerouting players by body type, faster more athletic, more fronts, more coverages, more blitzes and more substitute packages.
That was a mistake and ND currently constructed will never play defense like,Alabama, LSU, OSU or FSU.
ND under Diaco was playing defense exactly how Wisconsin and Stanford play defense. With this offense and a Diaco defense. ND is in the playoffs last year and 1-0 today.
When he got to ND to fix an absolute disaster of a defense ND recruited big players for the front 7 to stop the run. Kept both safeties deep. Played conservative pass coverage and allowed yards and 1st downs but no big plays. Disco kept fronts and blitzes to a minimum and his units prided themselves in playing great Red Zone D.
When BVG was hired Brian Kelly talked about taking the next step on D. Not rerouting players by body type, faster more athletic, more fronts, more coverages, more blitzes and more substitute packages.
That was a mistake and ND currently constructed will never play defense like,Alabama, LSU, OSU or FSU.
ND under Diaco was playing defense exactly how Wisconsin and Stanford play defense. With this offense and a Diaco defense. ND is in the playoffs last year and 1-0 today.
as a lifelong ND fan. one who saw the NC's in the 70's and the 80's. I have come to accept that ND will never win another NC before I die. with the way the college landscape is now.
Holtz played the by the rules of what Saban and Urban Meyer are playing with now. and Pete Carroll back in his days at SC. you have to get these players on what ever juice those teams are on in order to compete with them. and then you have to let the kids who don't have the grades to into ND. just like Holtz did back in his tenure. and even then he didn't have the best D every yr.
ND will always have very good to GREAT O's because they can attract those players to the school even with the tough academics.
BUT they will never field a D of the like of Bama, OSU, SC of the past glory because they will not let the neanderthals that you need to be a stout D like that into school.
Hell even Saban could not field those D's either here at ND. because they would not let those players in under him either. Meyer knew it as well. that is why he wouldn't come here.
you can change the HC and do every thing else you want. imo it isn't going to make ND turn into the football factory they were back in the Holtz days. because Lou stooped to the level that it took to become a football factory.
when the scandal broke about that booster funneling money to players is what sealed his fate. and made the admin. DE-emphasize ND football being a football factory.
I will never witness that kind of ND again the rest of my life. and I have come to accept it.
Holtz played the by the rules of what Saban and Urban Meyer are playing with now. and Pete Carroll back in his days at SC. you have to get these players on what ever juice those teams are on in order to compete with them. and then you have to let the kids who don't have the grades to into ND. just like Holtz did back in his tenure. and even then he didn't have the best D every yr.
ND will always have very good to GREAT O's because they can attract those players to the school even with the tough academics.
BUT they will never field a D of the like of Bama, OSU, SC of the past glory because they will not let the neanderthals that you need to be a stout D like that into school.
Hell even Saban could not field those D's either here at ND. because they would not let those players in under him either. Meyer knew it as well. that is why he wouldn't come here.
you can change the HC and do every thing else you want. imo it isn't going to make ND turn into the football factory they were back in the Holtz days. because Lou stooped to the level that it took to become a football factory.
when the scandal broke about that booster funneling money to players is what sealed his fate. and made the admin. DE-emphasize ND football being a football factory.
I will never witness that kind of ND again the rest of my life. and I have come to accept it.
"will never witness that kind of ND again the rest of my life. and I have come to accept it."
yep on that
yep on that
