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If you were Golson would you have left???

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Explain your reasons for staying or leaving.

No, I was never a QB at ND, so I can never fully understand Golson's reason for leaving. I'm disappointed, but don't wish him any ill will. I only hope he doesn't live to regret this decision. However, I personally can't understand him leaving. This is perphaps the best team in terms of overall talent/experience that Kelly has ever had and truly has the opportunity to make the playoffs. With that said you have the opportunity to work your butt off, win the QB job, lead this team to an amazing season, and be a ND legend. Unless, he was told flat out by Kelly that he would not be the starter, why leave? I would think one in Golson's shoes would be pumped up for this opportunity and have no desire to leave.

What's your thoughts???
 
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His best chance of going in the first 4 rounds if the 2016 NFL draft is to be the man someplace -- even if he is looking at Miami (OH) or a step down from ND. He has his degree, now he needs to think about what is next. If he couldn't beat Zaire out at ND, then he'd be lucky to make a camp. Now he can hand-pick an offensive system and a depth chart that sets him up for NFL opportunities. If he knows Zaire is getting a significant portion of the reps, I'm not sure I blame him.
 
I'm seeing Duke on the list of places needing a QB. Close to home and Dave Cutcliffe is the HC. Not a bad way to get noticed by scouts.
 
behind closed doors the emphasis might be on a ground attack . Zaire is the better runner and ball handler. EG knows that. From what happened today EG never considered staying . He had to get his diploma and this kept him there for spring practice . This could come back to bitre Kelly in the ass because he opens his dumb mouth with comments that he the best 2 Qb's in the country .... blah blah blah... Golson leaves . Either way it was a bad situation but now EVERY week ESPN will have the EG watch. I hope EG does well but his success will be heard daily in South Bend . More pressure on BK . Also, does Zaire get the freedom to run as much now ? He is one hit away from going to a backup QB with zero minutes . Not good .
 
It just doesn't make any sense. Not in a marketing sense, business sense, education sense or NFL sense. There is no where he will have a better OL or receiver corps. Anywhere else one argument with the coach with his dismissive attitude on the field and he will be benched. 2 years he was given the chance to be the starting QB for Notre Dame and he made the decisions not to accept. He's a great talent and I have been a fan, but he's been more trouble than he is worth. It is good MZ will have the talent around him to come in and learn. This team will be better and will rally for MZ.

Go Irish!
 
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You tailor your offense to the talent of your football team and not the depth chart. Malik Zaire is a dual threat QB and to not to run him because you're thin at the position is crazy.

A Head Coach at ND coaches for his job every year and his job is dependent upon his record. It's imperative to shoot every bullet in your gun and not leave your powder dry out of fear. The "Gee Mr Swarbrick I was thin at QB so I didn't maximize the talent on my roster". Does not fly.at ND.
 
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HCBK is a great coach and I am a big fan but I think Golson had enough of the micro manager. MZ will do much better working with Kelly and EG will be great somewhere next season. A fresh start and a fan base that does not hang the baggage on him every play. I hope it's DUKE ! Hate their bb but they have one of the best cfb coaches, especially with quarterbacks.
 
Those who think EG's best opportunity for succeeding was to come back to a loaded offense at ND, or that EG leaving is a sign he was afraid of competition are not considering at least one plausible factor. It's possible he no longer trusts CBK. Even if he somehow knew he was leading the QB competition and was going to be the likely starter versus Texas, he was on the sideline during game 1 of 2011 against USF and he saw firsthand how quickly Kelly pulled DC after just one half of play and never gave him a 2nd thought (except for 1 brief Rees injury moment vs. USC). He also knows that last year's offensive line struggles were completely unexpected and yet his coach still put a lot of pressure on him to carry the offense on his back. It's possible EG still respects CBK but doesn't trust him to provide the best opportunity to have a great final college season. I'm not saying that's what went into his decision for sure but it's certainly plausible and if any of it did play a part then I think he is definitely making the best decision for him.
 
Bumpdaddy said:
Those who think EG's best opportunity for succeeding was to come back to a loaded offense at ND, or that EG leaving is a sign he was afraid of competition are not considering at least one plausible factor. It's possible he no longer trusts CBK. Even if he somehow knew he was leading the QB competition and was going to be the likely starter versus Texas, he was on the sideline during game 1 of 2011 against USF and he saw firsthand how quickly Kelly pulled DC after just one half of play and never gave him a 2nd thought (except for 1 brief Rees injury moment vs. USC). He also knows that last year's offensive line struggles were completely unexpected and yet his coach still put a lot of pressure on him to carry the offense on his back. It's possible EG still respects CBK but doesn't trust him to provide the best opportunity to have a great final college season. I'm not saying that's what went into his decision for sure but it's certainly plausible and if any of it did play a part then I think he is definitely making the best decision for him.
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Golson obviously does not believe Kelly provides him with the best path to the NFL. There are a number of factors and trust could be one. Why would he step off CFB's greatest stage to pursue his NFL dream? There's something deeper in play here.....
PS I don't believe for a minute that team building words like family, trust, loyalty...are worth a dime coming out of Kelly's mouth. He's full of it.
 
jr97 said:
behind closed doors the emphasis might be on a ground attack . Zaire is the better runner and ball handler. EG knows that. From what happened today EG never considered staying . He had to get his diploma and this kept him there for spring practice . This could come back to bitre Kelly in the ass because he opens his dumb mouth with comments that he the best 2 Qb's in the country .... blah blah blah... Golson leaves . Either way it was a bad situation but now EVERY week ESPN will have the EG watch. I hope EG does well but his success will be heard daily in South Bend . More pressure on BK . Also, does Zaire get the freedom to run as much now ? He is one hit away from going to a backup QB with zero minutes . Not good .
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I don't care of a stadium vendor has to play QB; this regime is out of excuses. Decision and planning are all part of success. Everything cannot be "surprise!"
 
Hey, a lot of the players from last 5 years love Kelly and the ND family. Golson was not moldable and needs to go where he can play his kind of game...
 
I feel bad for Golson. I'm sure he hoped to see it through in South Bend and it didn't work out. I wish he would have stayed. Regardless, I'll root for him next season as long as he's not playing for USC, Michigan or anyone on our schedule.
 
If I were Golson, no I wouldn't have left. I would have stayed for a chance to lead a deep team to a national championship (even if it is a longshot.) But I'm not Golson, and I'm not a selfish, petulant child. He is a good player, not a great player. He would have been an asset next year. This is the second time in three years he has let his teammates down. Screw him.

The only mitigating factor is he was playing quarterback for Brian Kelly. Notre Dame should have a clause written into his contract that forbids him from having anything to do with coaching quarterbacks. The guy completely sucks at it.
 
He basically conceded the job to MZ. Do pro scouts look at that ? or was it a lock room vibe that expressed more support to MZ. EG might have felt he was not really wanted there as THE guy. He wants to be THE guy. I posted earlier that MZ might be pulled back a little in the run game because his backup is not Golson. I agree that coaches should never think that way but we are talking about BK. MZ loves to run and run and run and run. Now he may just run. I too do not agree with this but it's something to watch. The run game with Procise back in slot running the jet and MZ and TF/ GB will be lethal . Great perimeter speed and a great ball handler. Add an above average OLIne and the defense just got better by staying off the field. Run game just improve 1 million percent. The scheme is not great but the pieces fit . Fuller, Brown and Brent add some speed to keep defenses honest too.
 
Would I have left? It depends what kind of person I am. Am I a person who values the team and my teammates and am willing to put my individual aspirations aside while I try to compete for a National Championship on a team loaded with returning starters, even to the point of not turning pro when I am a first round draft pick (Ronnie Stanley)? Or am I a person whose talk of team is a charade, a person who has had moments of great success as well as adversity, someone who has not put in the work in all phases of being a student-athlete and made mistakes yet given a second chance to succeed and turns my back on those who have supported me?
 
This forces Kelly to run the offense we saw against LSU and for this guy...I'm very happy. Wish Golson the best of luck and hope he does well at his next stop. Maybe he makes a Tiki Barber (fumble problems) kind of turnaround, but I think that's fairly rare.

If anyone saw the interviews about Zaire and with him, saw that he is an extremely confident player and it really seemed that he was a born leader. We shall see
 
If I knew that I could not supplant MZ then yes. That's with me thinking I'm gonna play on Sundays. Now what do GM's and scouts think of players who transfer because of competition?
 
jr97 said:
He basically conceded the job to MZ. Do pro scouts look at that ? or was it a lock room vibe that expressed more support to MZ. EG might have felt he was not really wanted there as THE guy. He wants to be THE guy. I posted earlier that MZ might be pulled back a little in the run game because his backup is not Golson. I agree that coaches should never think that way but we are talking about BK. MZ loves to run and run and run and run. Now he may just run. I too do not agree with this but it's something to watch. The run game with Procise back in slot running the jet and MZ and TF/ GB will be lethal . Great perimeter speed and a great ball handler. Add an above average OLIne and the defense just got better by staying off the field. Run game just improve 1 million percent. The scheme is not great but the pieces fit . Fuller, Brown and Brent add some speed to keep defenses honest too.
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However, we can't run Zaire 22 times a game, like he did against LSU. That would be too many over the course of a season. I'd like to see him run 10-12 times a game, with the RBs carrying the load the rest of the time.
 
Shakin' Down the Thunder said:
Explain your reasons for staying or leaving.

No, I was never a QB at ND, so I can never fully understand Golson's reason for leaving. I'm disappointed, but don't wish him any ill will. I only hope he doesn't live to regret this decision. However, I personally can't understand him leaving. This is perphaps the best team in terms of overall talent/experience that Kelly has ever had and truly has the opportunity to make the playoffs. With that said you have the opportunity to work your butt off, win the QB job, lead this team to an amazing season, and be a ND legend. Unless, he was told flat out by Kelly that he would not be the starter, why leave? I would think one in Golson's shoes would be pumped up for this opportunity and have no desire to leave.

What's your thoughts???
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I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, he seems to be turning his back on the program that stuck with him, and shying away from competition as well. On the other hand, a QB's 5th year is their last chance to impress pro scouts, and he didn't want to spend the season in a platoon. But overall, I'm disappointed.
 
Absolutely the wrong move. Showed a lack of confidence, maturity, leadership and competitive drive. All things you need to be a great pro. EG should have been mature to understand what Kelly was doing. He could not name EG the starter, even though he was clearly better in the spring then MZ, as he had to create a competitive environment. Especially given EG performance last year which wreaked of complacency. EG should have been smart enough to understand that's what was happening and confident in his own abilities. And EG should have been reluctant to turn his back on his teammates.

He will now have to transfer to a school, that most likely will not have the talent at offense and WR in particular. A school that will not have the exposure of ND. A school where he will have to learn a new system, probably one he will struggle with at first, and most likely beat some existing QBs out. Why he would want to leave a system where worst case, he was going to have to rest a few series a game, so we could run a few QB options, and keep the defense soft, is beyond me.

Apparently EG has never heard the expression bird in hand, is worth two in the bush.
 
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I think I would. I do not think Golson was going to get much playing time.
 
No, I would not have left. That said, my mindset would be getting drafted in the NFL and working with Sanford. I believe EG would have been the default starter and would have had to lose the job for MZ to take over.

If he is making the decision based on the graduate programs of other schools (which I personally question due to his academic problems) then I may look elsewhere if I believed I would need that right away.
 
ch_seahawkfan said:
HCBK is a great coach and I am a big fan but I think Golson had enough of the micro manager. MZ will do much better working with Kelly and EG will be great somewhere next season. A fresh start and a fan base that does not hang the baggage on him every play. I hope it's DUKE ! Hate their bb but they have one of the best cfb coaches, especially with quarterbacks.
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Another blinded homer comment. Every play? Your buddy golson had more turnovers in 2014 than 85 D1 teams did. He's not good and won't sniff the NFL. Just because you think he is the greatest QB doesn't mean he is. #RealityCheck
 
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I'm seeing Duke on the list of places needing a QB. Close to home and Dave Cutcliffe is the HC. Not a bad way to get noticed by scouts.
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If he wants to go to the pros he probably doesn't want to splitting time as the head QB. That is the only legit reason I can see for him to transfer. It isn't for any grad school consideration.
 
Golson made the right call. Competing or splitting time his last year would hurt his NFL stock immensely. It is easy for fans to say he is quitting a competition when they dont have a potential million dollar career hanging in the balance. Golsons best shot at a high draft pick is to play somewhere else, period. He has his degree and now can highlight his skills and try to be a great pro. No one on this board is even discussing the possibility that Malik would have transferred had he lost out on the starting gig. How long can you ask a guy to wait. Compare the situation to NCSU when Russell Wilson graduated. If O'Brien had committed to Wilson for one last year MIke Glennon would likely have transferred. Instead everyone parted on their own terms and it worked out for the best as both Glennon and Wilson went on to succeed and be drafted to the NFL. This is the right move for all involved and my guess is that Kelly knew about this, but did not want the spring distraction and that Golson didn't want it public until he was sure he graduated. Just because we fans didn't know it was coming does not mean the team is not prepared for it. Go Irish! Best of luck to all involved!
 
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Golson made the right call. Competing or splitting time his last year would hurt his NFL stock immensely. It iseasy for fans to say he is quitting a competition when they dont have a potential million dollar career hanging in the balance....

Oddly, this train of thought was never afforded Gunner.
 
perseverare said:
Golson made the right call. Competing or splitting time his last year would hurt his NFL stock immensely. It iseasy for fans to say he is quitting a competition when they dont have a potential million dollar career hanging in the balance....

Oddly, this train of thought was never afforded Gunner.
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nor should it have been.
 
mirer03 said:
Golson made the right call. Competing or splitting time his last year would hurt his NFL stock immensely. It is easy for fans to say he is quitting a competition when they dont have a potential million dollar career hanging in the balance. Golsons best shot at a high draft pick is to play somewhere else, period. He has his degree and now can highlight his skills and try to be a great pro. No one on this board is even discussing the possibility that Malik would have transferred had he lost out on the starting gig. How long can you ask a guy to wait. Compare the situation to NCSU when Russell Wilson graduated. If O'Brien had committed to Wilson for one last year MIke Glennon would likely have transferred. Instead everyone parted on their own terms and it worked out for the best as both Glennon and Wilson went on to succeed and be drafted to the NFL. This is the right move for all involved and my guess is that Kelly knew about this, but did not want the spring distraction and that Golson didn't want it public until he was sure he graduated. Just because we fans didn't know it was coming does not mean the team is not prepared for it. Go Irish! Best of luck to all involved!
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There is no way kelly knew that this is what Golson was going to do. If he did he would have certainly given Kozier more snaps, and would not have made the statement that his gut and ability to read people, tells him hell be back.
 
mirer03 said:
Golson made the right call. Competing or splitting time his last year would hurt his NFL stock immensely. It is easy for fans to say he is quitting a competition when they dont have a potential million dollar career hanging in the balance. Golsons best shot at a high draft pick is to play somewhere else, period. He has his degree and now can highlight his skills and try to be a great pro. No one on this board is even discussing the possibility that Malik would have transferred had he lost out on the starting gig. How long can you ask a guy to wait. Compare the situation to NCSU when Russell Wilson graduated. If O'Brien had committed to Wilson for one last year MIke Glennon would likely have transferred. Instead everyone parted on their own terms and it worked out for the best as both Glennon and Wilson went on to succeed and be drafted to the NFL. This is the right move for all involved and my guess is that Kelly knew about this, but did not want the spring distraction and that Golson didn't want it public until he was sure he graduated. Just because we fans didn't know it was coming does not mean the team is not prepared for it. Go Irish! Best of luck to all involved!
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couldn't agree more. most here are looking at the decision golson made from a fans perspective. hard to imagine being in golsons shoes and staying. he has one year of eligibility to improve his NFL prospects. if he truly feels he's not going to play a lot he should go. he's fulfilled his obligation and achieved his degree. good luck to him.
 
perseverare said:
^^^^

Who is/was the better QB coach, Weis or Kelly?
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Well, Weis made Brady Quinn an excellent college QB and he did a good job with Jimmy Claussen. Everyone who has played QB for Kelly at ND has sucked or left.
 
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