If you dont believe we can compete for a title, why go for a 1 year stopgap QB.
I think we can win one with the right QB, not necessarily the best NFL talent. A lot of focus by ND fans had been on needing a top overall draft pick that can throw 70 yard dimes in order to win big games. I think it’s preposterous based on the data of who has won titles over the past 20 years. College demands a different QB. Some were top NFL talents, most were top college talents only.
Then I completely disagree with you on that
The definition of “stud” is the issue. A stud in college means little in the NFL and vice versa.
Stetson is a stud in college. And hes good enough for Georgia to win. He wouldnt win it here. Hes surrounded by talent everywhere he looks
You left out Stroud. Hasn’t won it for a more talented and deep Ohio State or for USC, both of whom we have every reason to believe we can beat with Hartman. Hartman is a better college quarterback than Williams and Stroud. So is Duggan. The NFL is a totally different game.
Remember, Ohio State and USC are in different worlds than Wake in terms of OL, RB, and WR. Hartman has not had that luxury.
only idiots like you think TB is going to be anything more than a turnover machine
Hartman isn’t who we thought Buchner was going to be 4 years ago, but Hartman is exponentially better than Buchner right now
I'm bias, I want our recruits playing. Alot of people on here cry when recruits flip their comment. Colleges should honor theirs. Play those who been here day 1. ND guys.
Right now hes better.
Correct, he's better than Stroud. Williams plays in a pass happy offense with far better receivers. Hartman is a better college QB. I think he will finish as the second best in NCAA history. Stroud and Williams will probably have a better shot in the NFL.
Hes played in 48 games and planning on playing his 6th cfb season. Stroud is in his 3rd and is going to be a top 5 draft pick.
He threw for MORE yards than Stroud in 2022 and played in 1 less game. Leave the name calling for your wife.
Stroud in year 3 - 41 TDs 6 ints 66% comp. 177.7 rating
I do think stroud is better than Hartman but strouds wrs for 2021 we’re absolutely insane… the worst two out of the 3 starting wrs are rookie studs in nfl
If Hartman was some stud qb and i thought wed have a chance at a title with him Id be all on board. Hell yeah lets go. People look at his stats and morons even on this board think that makes him CJ Stroud. Probably never watched him play. Hes a good college QB that played in a great system. Hes very similar to Ian Book but not as athletic.
There you go grasshopper. Now we are creating solid dialogue. I agree, his comp. % is better, but Stroud has vastly better WR's. It's a lot easier to do that when you're throwing to first round picks backed up by first round OL and able to mix up your offense with first round future NFL running backs. The style of offense that Wake runs puts a lot on Hartman for success. I am not dumb enough to think that Stroud isn't the more talented QB, but it's fun arguing that Hartman is right there, which I definitely think he is.
I think Hartman guarantees 10 win season with good chance at better… Buchner brings 7-5 into play
Nobody thinks that. I'd take Book over Hartman because I've seen him in a gold helmet. But he's way better than Pyne and Buchner. My true feeling is that Minchey is the most talented QB on the 2022 roster. Hartman can get us to the playoffs. Hartman can beat Ohio State. I don't care about Buchner enough to worry about his feelings being hurt like some on here.
Yep. Thats why I said you gotta have some.
I think Minchey and Carr are the true upside. Marcus Freeman wants Hartman and he's smarter than you.
I'd take Hartman. That makes zero sense
1. You're acting like you know what MF wants. Are you best friends now. Because when he was hired you trashed him more than anyone and it was borderline racist and an absolute disgrace. You also called him a HS coach.
