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So you’d prefer to go 8-4 again vs shot at 12-0? … let Buchner develop more and have a competion in 24, if Buchner doesn’t develop you have to hit portal. Mistake was not hitting portal for 22

At this time Buchner hasn’t improved enough. South Carolina D was awful
Yes. Floor is higher with Hartman. Ceiling is higher with Buchner.

With the first 3 games we have you give Buchner the ball and give yourself a chance at a real big season.

Hartman is Book 2.0. He is a vetter Pyne similar style.

Grow a pair. Go big or go home
 
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Hes played like 2 real games.

Your probably one of the idiots who would have given up on Brady Quinn who started his career much much worse.

But it was obvious to see talent and he had It. Same with Buchner
While I wish him great success, Buchner is no Brady Quinn, the comparison is absurd !
 
Hasn't improved enough??? He's started 2 games....ND will have 3 QB's in the spring...Buchner, Angeli & Minchey.....they don't need Hartman. If they're gonna win a NC, it will be with a recruited QB they've developed, not a one year portal QB.
I think ND wants to go 10-2 next year instead of 8-4. I think it's more the immediate concern MF is worried about. No more 8-4. Get it up to 10-2 in 2023 and worry about the long-term future in '24. And that's what they're hoping SH can do. It's short-term thinking, I suppose, but that's the cold hard reality.
 
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I think ND wants to go 10-2 next year instead of 8-4. I think it's more the immediate concern MF is worried about. No more 8-4. Get it up to 10-2 in 2023 and worry about the long-term future in '24. And that's what they're hoping SH can do. It's short-term thinking, I suppose, but that's the cold hard reality.
Maybe.....but that's not how you build a championship program....
 
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WHY ?

Asking that question is indicative of the absence of a football IQ !

Brady Quinn has a significant body of work, a stellar record that speaks for itself. Brady Quinn has field credibility that is recognized and undeniable

Buchner has little or no field credibility and no significant body of work.
And his TD to INT ratio is horrendous.

But I wish him well !
 
Dumb idea going after a portal QB. If Hartman comes...in 2024 ND will be exactly where they're at now....worrying about who will be the next QB....just go with the QB recruits they get, develop them and win or lose with them or they'll always be "chasing" the next portal QB....dumb,dumb,dumb.
Name one QB that actually improved under Rees tutorial? Usually, they regress instead
 
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Maybe.....but that's not how you build a championship program....
I'm with you, I probably wouldn't have done it, and would have stuck with TB and DP, and rode the horse that got you here. Especially with some pretty good young prospects like Minchey and CJ Carr to look forward to. But nevertheless I figure that's what MF's hoping for. He wants that immediate bump.

Next year's going to be a big year for MF. And with this QB brouhaha, the pressure's on more than ever....
 
I'm with you, I probably wouldn't have done it, and would have stuck with TB and DP, and rode the horse that got you here. Especially with some pretty good young prospects like Minchey and CJ Carr to look forward to. But nevertheless I figure that's what MF's hoping for. He wants that immediate bump.

Next year's going to be a big year for MF. And with this QB brouhaha, the pressure's on more than ever....
best way to screw up a team? start at QB! coaches, players, fans and even the QB candidates get divided.
QB competition=QB controversy=a house divided=lost team
 
The hatred some morons have for Hattman is incredible
And the idiotic love some have for TB is even more incredible
TB has shown NO signs at all of developing and his performance in the bowl game was not encouraging.
Throwing that pick 6 under that situation is INEXCUSABLE.
But idiots that think a running QB that can barely pass is the way to go are so beyond stupid its amazing
 
The hatred some morons have for Hattman is incredible
And the idiotic love some have for TB is even more incredible
TB has shown NO signs at all of developing and his performance in the bowl game was not encouraging.
Throwing that pick 6 under that situation is INEXCUSABLE.
But idiots that think a running QB that can barely pass is the way to go are so beyond stupid its amazing
well, SH has already divided the fans!
 
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WHY ?

Asking that question is indicative of the absence of a football IQ !

Brady Quinn has a significant body of work, a stellar record that speaks for itself. Brady Quinn has field credibility that is recognized and undeniable

Buchner has little or no field credibility and no significant body of work.
And his TD to INT ratio is horrendous.

But I wish him well !
Bradys first year he looked worse and played worse.

Thats the point. It didn't matter his stats. You saw the talent and he had It.

Same with Buchner
 
The hatred some morons have for Hattman is incredible
And the idiotic love some have for TB is even more incredible
TB has shown NO signs at all of developing and his performance in the bowl game was not encouraging.
Throwing that pick 6 under that situation is INEXCUSABLE.
But idiots that think a running QB that can barely pass is the way to go are so beyond stupid its amazing
Oh he showed a lot of signs.

And people who have watched Hartman know hes limited and nothing special
 
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Bradys first year he looked worse and played worse.

Thats the point. It didn't matter his stats. You saw the talent and he had It.

Same with Buchner
You’re out of your mind, absolutely delusional, if you equate Brady Quinn’s throwing abilities and ball flight with Buchner’s !

in grammar school, high school, freshman or sophomore year at ND.

First, try comparing the 2003 team with the 2022 team,

Please, stop embarrassing yourself with ridiculous statements !
 
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Hasn't improved enough??? He's started 2 games....ND will have 3 QB's in the spring...Buchner, Angeli & Minchey.....they don't need Hartman. If they're gonna win a NC, it will be with a recruited QB they've developed, not a one year portal QB.
He started 3 games, played significantly in 5-6, has been through 2 full spring and fall seasons. That's a lot of time to develop.
 
Hes played like 2 real games.

Your probably one of the idiots who would have given up on Brady Quinn who started his career much much worse.

But it was obvious to see talent and he had It. Same with Buchner
Quinn was behind an absolute terrible line and team, yeah you could see his ability. Only reason ND won a game in 2003 was Julius Jones.

Buchner is QBing a good team and has struggled. yeah he shows potential, but i can't get over his mental mistakes and such poor throwing mechanics.

If we had this guy I'd be all in like i used to be



Instead we got this guy... to change your motion from that to his is criminal

 
Is there any evidence that Buchner didn’t change his throwing motion AT THE DIRECTION OF THE CURRENT COACHING STAFF?
 
You’re out of your mind, absolutely delusional, if you equate Brady Quinn’s throwing abilities and ball flight with Buchner’s !

in grammar school, high school, freshman or sophomore year at ND.

First, try comparing the 2003 team with the 2022 team,

Please, stop embarrassing yourself with ridiculous statements !
Yeah Quinn was much worse his freshman year
 
Yeah Quinn was much worse his freshman year
To state that Quinn’s mechanics, his throwing motion, ball flight and accuracy were worse than Buchner’s is beyond ludicrou, it just reveals how low your football IQ IS.
 
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Atleast the Irish will have time to find another QB if he chooses to go some place else. It will be a dog fight between him and TB on who gets the starting nod. A well polished grizzly veteran who rewrote a lot of the ACC record books or the up and comer who has talents that cannot be taught, but inexperienced
Most of the portal QB’s go to schools they know they are going play if Hartman choices ND than he has a lot of courage.
The problem with TB is the injury bug. If he gets injured early again, would Angelli or Minchey be able to step up with no experience.If Hartman got injured,Buchner can step in.
 
Buchner is not a guy you can go all in on. Too injury prone and inconsistent. I hope he stays even if Hartman starts, because I think he’d still get some snaps like he did with Coan. Plus it’s always good to have two QBs you can at least somewhat count on. He could then start in 24 and then hand it off to Minchey/Carr going forward. That’s the ideal scenario in my opinion
 
From another site. I completely agree. If he comes to Notre Dame, he is 100% hands down without a doubt the game one starter.

“MF could call it an open competition if he wants, but it would be a "competition" in name only. Even if TB "beat out" Hartman leading up to the season, there is ZERO chance he is actually named the starter. Can you imagine the intense "fire" that MF would have to face if he started TB over Hartman (the career passing leader in the ACC) and he ends up turning the ball over repeatedly and we lose?

If you are lucky enough to get Hartman to transfer to ND, he is the immediate starter as soon as the ink dries.”
 
Jack Coan was a godsend for us, and couldn't have been any more money as a player on the field than he was. But he wasn't the established star that SH is. That's a new dynamic, as far as this latest edition of a portal QB at ND in our brave new world of CFB. He's kind of a pretty boy, a bit of a social media star perhaps, and king shit at WF and in the ACC. As well as a kickass QB who's rightfully earned the accolades and the status.

That's the only thing that sort of has me a bit concerned, or something. Can he demand, in effect, that he be the starter at ND or else he's not interested? And would MF/Rees be willing to go for that? I suppose, though of course that has to be handled with a certain finesse. But I would definitely guess/assume that's what the arrangement will be. But if he sucks, and it's not working out, which is entirely possible, then his ass will be on the bench. And in comes TB. I don't know if he really had to worry about that too much at WF, where he was the indubitably entrenched starter. And if WF drops a couple of games it doesn't really mean anything. But it will at ND...

Whereas Jack Coan while a proven player was nevertheless happy to be here, and presumably took nothing for granted. And maybe not quite the same thing with SH. Anyway, we'll see....
 
Jack Coan was a godsend for us, and couldn't have been any more money as a player on the field than he was. But he wasn't the established star that SH is. That's a new dynamic, as far as this latest edition of a portal QB at ND in our brave new world of CFB. He's kind of a pretty boy, a bit of a social media star perhaps, and king shit at WF and in the ACC. As well as a kickass QB who's rightfully earned the accolades and the status.

That's the only thing that sort of has me a bit concerned, or something. Can he demand, in effect, that he be the starter at ND or else he's not interested? And would MF/Rees be willing to go for that? I suppose, though of course that has to be handled with a certain finesse. But I would definitely guess/assume that's what the arrangement will be. But if he sucks, and it's not working out, which is entirely possible, then his ass will be on the bench. And in comes TB. I don't know if he really had to worry about that too much at WF, where he was the indubitably entrenched starter. And if WF drops a couple of games it doesn't really mean anything. But it will at ND...

Whereas Jack Coan while a proven player was nevertheless happy to be here, and presumably took nothing for granted. And maybe not quite the same thing with SH. Anyway, we'll see....
Coan wanted to start just as bad as Hartman wants to start. Coan played in the NFL. Hartman will get a crack at the NFL too.
 
To state that Quinn’s mechanics, his throwing motion, ball flight and accuracy were worse than Buchner’s is beyond ludicrou, it just reveals how low your football IQ IS.
No one said any of that. You made it up in your own mind

Brady was worse than Buchner in his first year. Period

It didnt matter. It was easy to see his potential and that ha had It. Same with Buchner
 
Coan wanted to start just as bad as Hartman wants to start. Coan played in the NFL. Hartman will get a crack at the NFL too.
Coan didnt play in the nfl

A lot of praise and excitement for a guy who will get a crack at the nfl. Basically your saying what Ive been saying, hes nothing special
 
Coan didnt play in the nfl

A lot of praise and excitement for a guy who will get a crack at the nfl. Basically your saying what Ive been saying, hes nothing special
I witnessed him throw several passes for the Indianapolis Colts, bud.
 
Coan didnt play in the nfl

A lot of praise and excitement for a guy who will get a crack at the nfl. Basically your saying what Ive been saying, hes nothing special
College isn’t the NFL. Would you not take Johnny Manziel? Tim Tebow? Eric Crouch? Troy Smith? Those are just a few. There are dozens more that never really did amazing work in the NFL. A lot of national champion quarterbacks didn’t do much in the NFL. It’s not the same thing.
 
College isn’t the NFL. Would you not take Johnny Manziel? Tim Tebow? Eric Crouch? Troy Smith? Those are just a few. There are dozens more that never really did amazing work in the NFL. A lot of national champion quarterbacks didn’t do much in the NFL. It’s not the same thing.
Hes not them. Manziel and Tebow were 1st rd picks. Troy Smith 5th rd.

No I wouldnt want Crouch. We dont run the option
 
most haven’t played much in the NFL

When we have the talent of a Miami roster or an Alabama roster, that will work. I agree with you.

We do not have that talent. Need a difference maker at QB. If Hartman proves me wrong, I'll be extremely happy
 
we have a long ways to go besides a flashy NFL talent at QB to win a title. Caleb Williams would not win a title as NDs QB. I’d take a consistent winner like Duggan all day over CW. Give me efficiency, toughness, character, not flash. Buchner might make some exciting plays running around and scoring for both teams every week winning squeakers by 7. Give me a boring 28 point win with the all time ACC leader please.
 
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