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Hartman is on Campus. Loy says commit looming

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Atleast the Irish will have time to find another QB if he chooses to go some place else. It will be a dog fight between him and TB on who gets the starting nod. A well polished grizzly veteran who rewrote a lot of the ACC record books or the up and comer who has talents that cannot be taught, but inexperienced
Most of the portal QB’s go to schools they know they are going play if Hartman choices ND than he has a lot of courage.
 
I didn't know it was a decision. Who are the other suitors?
 
He's visiting Thursday or Friday and no other visits setup... If he decides Friday he's Irish. If it pushes back it's elsewhere.
 
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I think it's highly unlikely he would be visiting and have 0 interest in any other teams at this point if he weren't off to ND. Something would have to go very wrong for him to go elsewhere or get the vibe that Buchner is going to be the guy. My guess is the staff knows he will start and will make that fairly evident. Buchner can compete, but ND needs the very best and if Hartman is that good he won't feel threatened by TB one bit.

I think Hartman will build a very good rapport with the freshman guys like Greathouse, Love, Minchey, etc. because they will all be the new dudes on campus. That bodes well for their futures.
 
Well I still say if it is a done deal, and this delay and drama is really just for appearances, that he will be starter next year and will be essentially promised the starting job, or it's his to lose, or something like that....

But if it isn't a done deal, it wouldn't entirely shock me at this point if he didn't come to ND on account of TB's excellent/promising bowl game performance, and then MF/Rees will have lost DP, will have demonstrated themselves as coaches willing to turn their back on the QBs already on the roster, including one who had done yeoman's work in DP for a team that was kind of on the brink in the way that we were after TB went down, and generally just look like dipshits and/or buffoons in how they handled their, shall we say, 'upgrade' to the all-important QB position.

So that wouldn't be good, in addition to not getting a portal QB for whatever substantive value to the team it would have brought. Plus, if I'm SH I don't want to be a backup, that isn't good for my brand. I think it's safe to say that's not what he's looking for in a grad transfer year. And wouldn't be what he's signing up for. If all we get in the end is some random scrub backup type, then whatever..... We would get either an 'F' or D-, as a letter grade for the whole endeavor.
 
Any chance TB pulls a Pyne, gets his feelings hurt and enters the portal himself?
Anything can happen. But you can’t fault Pyne. Glad he left n it’s the right decision for him
If TB leaves I’ll be surprised but we will be fine with minchey n Carr
 
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Atleast the Irish will have time to find another QB if he chooses to go some place else. It will be a dog fight between him and TB on who gets the starting nod. A well polished grizzly veteran who rewrote a lot of the ACC record books or the up and comer who has talents that cannot be taught, but inexperienced
Most of the portal QB’s go to schools they know they are going play if Hartman choices ND than he has a lot of courage.
so many physically talented QBs fail because they never learned to go beyond them
Bluntly speaking I see no sigh that TB has learned that lesson
 
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I would be surprised if TB leaves until he gets a degree. MF has always been transparent with the players especially on playing time. Nobody gets promised a starting job. SH does have a lot of moxy to stay in the pocket that long on those mesh plays takes courage knowing your going to hit
 
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I would be surprised if TB leaves until he gets a degree. MF has always been transparent with the players especially on playing time. Nobody gets promised a starting job. SH does have a lot of moxy to stay in the pocket that long on those mesh plays takes courage knowing your going to hit
How do you know that no one gets promised a starting job? I certainly don't know that he will be, but I can certainly understand how he would want to be, and that sort of thing does goes on, and prominent, sought-after athletes in a seller's market don't just switch teams on a wing and a prayer. They're not impressionable HS kids anymore to be blandished, and are capable of looking out for, and securing, their own interests....
 
Goolsby doesn’t like Hartman, wants all in with Buchner. I highly disagree on that one. If Buchner gets injured, what do we do? Play Angeli who’s never thrown a career pass? Put in Minchey, who is a baby?
 
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Pyne left because he had already lost out to Buchner to start in 2022. I'm sure after watching the bowl game, he's comfortable making that choice.

Without Hartman, we are one injury away from being completely screwed. You can't go all-in on Buchner. I think given Buchner's history of bad luck with injuries, taking Hartman is a no-brainer. With his pedigree, Hartman can't be scared off by Buchner's bowl performance. Let them compete.
 
Pyne left because he had already lost out to Buchner to start in 2022. I'm sure after watching the bowl game, he's comfortable making that choice.

Without Hartman, we are one injury away from being completely screwed. You can't go all-in on Buchner. I think given Buchner's history of bad luck with injuries, taking Hartman is a no-brainer. With his pedigree, Hartman can't be scared off by Buchner's bowl performance. Let them compete.
It was reported that Pyne left bc Freeman told him ND would take a transfer and he would have to compete. Pyne had a knee jerk reaction. This was widely reported at the time.

I agree with your second part completely.
 
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Based on Buchners injury past, Hartman should feel pretty good that he’d play even if the unlikely scenario where Buchner beat him out. I personally doubt Tyler will outperform the veteran Hartman in practice. It will be the field of play where Hartman would lose the job. Hartman will need to be lights out on Gameday or Tyler will get reps.
 
How do you know that no one gets promised a starting job? I certainly don't know that he will be, but I can certainly understand how he would want to be, and that sort of thing does goes on, and prominent, sought-after athletes in a seller's market don't just switch teams on a wing and a prayer. They're not impressionable HS kids anymore to be blandished, and are capable of looking out for, and securing, their own interests....
The typical language is, "of course we never promise anyone a starting position, but based on your play, I would be very surprised if you didn't start." It gives both sides the abilty to deny a guaranteed job.
 
My guess is Hartman is savvy enough to embrace the pressure of ND. If he wants to make it into the league, he needs that stage, that pressure, and the guy on his tail all year long salivating for a mistake so he can jump into the game. It will only make him be/become his very best. It will bring the Alpha out of both and ND will ultimately rise in the polls as a result.
 
The typical language is, "of course we never promise anyone a starting position, but based on your play, I would be very surprised if you didn't start." It gives both sides the abilty to deny a guaranteed job.
Agreed, but in all honesty, I wouldn’t be surprised if Buchner earns the job next year. Sam has to be aware that there is at least a viable alternative starter.
 
Anything can happen. But you can’t fault Pyne. Glad he left n it’s the right decision for him
If TB leaves I’ll be surprised but we will be fine with minchey n Carr
And you know ?
 
If Hartman comes and DOESN’T beat Buchner, he’ll end up selling medical office software like Lenzy next year. Or he could try the draft now. After 5 years that’s his best move. We’ll have Buchner then Angeli/Minchey trial by fire. Maybe ND can find another game manager out there willing to come as bench strength..
 
Anything can happen. But you can’t fault Pyne. Glad he left n it’s the right decision for him
If TB leaves I’ll be surprised but we will be fine with minchey n Carr
Bringing in Hartman is not all upside. If TB were to transfer, we are in the same inexperience boat next year, and bringing in hired guns what does that say to recruits. Slippery slope that has to be thought through
 
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It's no surprise at least some ND fans look upon a transfer QB as some sort of interloper. That's to be expected. This is ND we're talking about. But SH will be a full-fledged member of the team just like anyone else the moment he enrolls and shows up for his first winter workout. We can only hope he'll be as awesome as Coan was. Both as a player and a teammate. Part of me worries that SH is maybe just a tad too full of himself, and too accomplished, to be what ND really needs at this semi-critical moment for the program. But that's just a hunch. Probably wrong. Jack Coan was hungry, and for him ND was a new lease on his football life and it showed, and which absolutely fit the occasion. SH's situation is different....

If SH announces for ND on Friday and TB enters the portal on Monday.... God damn is all I could say to that. God damn....
 
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I would be surprised if TB leaves until he gets a degree. MF has always been transparent with the players especially on playing time. Nobody gets promised a starting job. SH does have a lot of moxy to stay in the pocket that long on those mesh plays takes courage knowing your going to hit
TB and MF seem to have a special mentor/student relationship
 
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is UGA an option for him? that QB there seems to have been there for 10 years! whendoes his contract expire?
 
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Dumb idea going after a portal QB. If Hartman comes...in 2024 ND will be exactly where they're at now....worrying about who will be the next QB....just go with the QB recruits they get, develop them and win or lose with them or they'll always be "chasing" the next portal QB....dumb,dumb,dumb.
 
Dumb idea going after a portal QB. If Hartman comes...in 2024 ND will be exactly where they're at now....worrying about who will be the next QB....just go with the QB recruits they get, develop them and win or lose with them or they'll always be "chasing" the next portal QB....dumb,dumb,dumb.
There’s no backup to Buchner. This is why freeman is the coach and not you. TB will make a fine backup.
 
Yeah he does
Buchner averages a pick every 15 passes… Hartman every 39 passes… so yeah that’s not close

For comparison book was one ever 57 wimbush 33, Quinn’s last two years one very 67, but he was in the 40s for his career

Coaching matters, team matters, qb matters

Buchner and Rees don’t seem to be an ideal fit
 
Dumb idea going after a portal QB. If Hartman comes...in 2024 ND will be exactly where they're at now....worrying about who will be the next QB....just go with the QB recruits they get, develop them and win or lose with them or they'll always be "chasing" the next portal QB....dumb,dumb,dumb.
So you’d prefer to go 8-4 again vs shot at 12-0? … let Buchner develop more and have a competion in 24, if Buchner doesn’t develop you have to hit portal. Mistake was not hitting portal for 22

At this time Buchner hasn’t improved enough. South Carolina D was awful
 
So you’d prefer to go 8-4 again vs shot at 12-0? … let Buchner develop more and have a competion in 24, if Buchner doesn’t develop you have to hit portal. Mistake was not hitting portal for 22

At this time Buchner hasn’t improved enough. South Carolina D was awful
Hasn't improved enough??? He's started 2 games....ND will have 3 QB's in the spring...Buchner, Angeli & Minchey.....they don't need Hartman. If they're gonna win a NC, it will be with a recruited QB they've developed, not a one year portal QB.
 
Buchner averages a pick every 15 passes… Hartman every 39 passes… so yeah that’s not close

For comparison book was one ever 57 wimbush 33, Quinn’s last two years one very 67, but he was in the 40s for his career

Coaching matters, team matters, qb matters

Buchner and Rees don’t seem to be an ideal fit
Hes played like 2 real games.

Your probably one of the idiots who would have given up on Brady Quinn who started his career much much worse.

But it was obvious to see talent and he had It. Same with Buchner
 
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