need a couple of seasons to get the program back among the elites.
Give coach Kelly some time. He has a new staff in place and they will
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I want to agree with you but if the team doesn't "play" for him this year than I will jump on the bandwagon that wants him out. ND is a different beast compared to other programs and it does take a special coach to be successful. The championship game in 2012 still looms and with these staff changes I truly want to be on-board but this year is critically important.
He has had 8 years. Right now I am more concerned with recruiting. Of coarse the record has a lot to do with recruiting. So if Kelly does not bring in a top ten class ( I'd really like to say five ,) this year he gone.
I personally think Kelly needs about 12-13 years here and he'll have it all turned around by then and be consistently 11-1. It takes time to rebuild guys and gals. So ND has lost 10 straight times to top-level compeitition. Be patient! ND will get the next 10 to go their way.
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Are you being sarcastic or serious?
Look, BK problems are not McDonalds nugget and fry deal or the staff. It's not the shop from a different aisle bullshit either.
Plain and simple...he doesn't win big games bevause he doesn't know how to win big games. It's an even bigger problem because he thinks he does know how ahd that his team his a perennial national title contender. I truly believe he thinks in his mind that Alabama and Clemson are striving to be just like his team.
He is lousy and his leash should be super short. I hope it's a choker chain to be honest.
This is beyond embarrassing.
It's not the lack of titles...but the lack of big wins....as in NONE..ZERO...big wins. You'd think that by just that we'd win a few of those games even if we lost the others.
But nnnnnnooooooo.
Zero. Nothing.
David Shaw has more big wins in one season than BK in entire tenure. BTW..stanford shops from the same apparently make excuses shirty aisle. Except they don't make excuses. They actually win some tough games.
Bodizephax
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Well, you can't argue against the facts. Yes, he's had us in the NC game, and yes we were twenty seconds away from making the playoffs a few years ago, but the reality is he has not shown the ability to win big games. Just as I argue that we lost to a better team with Georgia, I can also honestly say that this was the kind of game that Holtz usually found a way to win. Kelly is an eight or nine win on average coach who loses nearly every big game in season and in the post season. I like the staff changes and the new commitment to strength and conditioning, to fundamentals, and to holding each other to account, and I am anxious to see how this season unfolds. I want to believe these changes will get us over the hump against top teams, but until or unless they do, Kelly remains a head coach who doesn't win the big games. I just want to support the team, give Kelly the benefit of the doubt that these changes will produce different results, and argue the merits of firing Kelly and the merits of possible replacement after season's end if we have a mediocre year and lose all of our big games. Not after a one point loss to a better team in the second game of the season.
Bodizephax
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Lets have another Gentlemens bet. I say the Georgia Bulldogs will go no better than 8 and 4 this season. Remember everyone last year who said Texas was back after the win they had over the Irish ?
Everything you state is fine...except I take great exception in saying a one point loss to a better team. How can you say that so automatic like? A better coached team...yes! A better team as in players...i don't think you can say that because until the head coach puts his players in the best possible position to succeed then declaring better this and better that is rudiculous. Georgia was better prepared, had a better game plan, better coached. Those are the only three facts we can take from week 2. And so the same BS continues.
See the glaring problem is that we will never win a game where our coach wins it for us. Never. Ever.
Lou was that coach but he wasn't the only coach ever to get his players to rise to the occasion and moment. Many coaches every week get their players to play above their potential. It's just never with our team...but...but...but...many times it actually happens against our team.
Lots of good points made and I'll be the first to admit that after last year I was firmly on the "fire Kelly" bandwagon. After the wholesale changes I was in a wait and see mode but losing the way they did to a good (not great) team has me back on the need for change. Am I overreacting? Maybe and I know larger things are at play (JS and his man crush for Kelly, BOT possible desire not to have another CW buyout, etc) but at some point the on-field production will impact the ND machine. Everyone knows he's on the hot seat (including the players) and any losses to teams not USC and Stanford may be the nail in the coffin. Next year we replace MSU and UGA with UM and FSU so it doesn't get any easier.
OK Bodi...I'll make that bet. But, my point remains that I think Georgia was the better team in week two, not necessarily by season's end.
This is a great troll post or it is the worst hot take coming out of the Georgia game I have seen. Maybe both.
Georgia is a young team and has a more talented roster than ND. As the season progresses, assuming They get their QB back, Georgia should be a very improved team. I doubt ND would fare as well or better than this past weekend.
If Georgia was the better team in your eyes that shows how sad of a state the ND program is in right now. ND was leading or tied almost all night. The fact is, Kelly will never win games like last weekend.
Kelly didn't even put his two best athletes in the game for a single play from scrimmage. How does a coach expect to beat an "almighty" SEC team without Stepherson or Williams?
The unconfirmed rumor for a couple weeks now is that Stepherson is suspended for four games. Since it is supposedly a personal violation of school policy matter, the university and Kelly will neither confirm or deny. Personally, I don't think Stepherson is available for this reason. I agree about Williams, every report I read said he was consistently outstanding during practices. Wimbush had open receivers, but he didn't have adequate protection and he simply made a lot of poor decisions, which will get better with experience.
It is not often that you have new OC, DC, WR, ST, LB, QB and S&C coaches the same year and hit on all cylinders right away. We were told we would be better the second half of the year than the first half and I am still hoping that is true. It is tough because we should not be here 8 seasons into BK's reign. He is still one of the winningest active coaches out there. But here we are. I am stuck though. This is my team and I root for them. Need to start a 10 game winning streak beginning with BC. Are our guys ready to show that toughness to come back from a 4-8 season and that offensive debacle against Georgia? I don't know yet but the next three games are very winnable. Can we show that ability to successfully deal with adversity?
I am still stunned at the defense. Simplifying it has worked so far. Makes me think the offense might benefit from the same.
"It is not often that you have new OC, DC, WR, ST, LB, QB and S&C coaches the same year and hit on all cylinders right away. "
And still have the same head coach!
Yet Saint Holtz had the best team in college football in 1992 and 1993 and he shit the bed vs.... Stanford and BC?????? And that was in the era when ND got all of the best players in the nation. Those days are long, long gone re: recruiting. So tell me about Kelly -- he is working with less 5* players and yet he got us close twice.
Stu...are you saying that Kelly does more with less and is therefore better than Holtz, or his coaching equal? Yes, I clearly stated he got us to the NC game, and got us within twenty seconds of a playoff birth. He's had some success at ND and that's undeniable, but so is his record against ranked teams, and his record over the past three seasons, and so forth and so on; and I stick by my statement that Holtz More often than not found ways to win big games like the Georgia game, whereas Kelly more often than not by a sickening margin, does not.
