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Freeman needs to go

You cannot compare Freeman’s third year with the “standard” of ND coaches that won National Championships.

This era with NIL and the Portal is an entirely different animal altogether.
An excellent point.
 
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I'd urge you to step away from the ledge because I don't see the administration putting any heat on Freeman for at least a couple of years.

There was definitely a valid argument against hiring him to replace Kelly. Not only did he not have experience, but he was very young.

Other than the fact that he's not going to win a NC this year, in his third year, the one ND fans hold out as the bellwether of greatness, I don't see what I'd consider a fireable offense or offenses. I've seen growing pains and the kind of inconsistency you get with a young coach.

Hell, there was never any reports of heat on Kelly, despite a very inconsistent performance right up to 2016 and beyond. Even Weis and Davie escaped the heat until the bitter end. I think the only reason ND fired Willingham was because they got hoodwinked by Meyer's agent into believing he was theirs for the taking.

NIU sucks, as did Marshall and Stanford in 2022. You can add Cal to that group because we escaped in that game. Last year, Freeman screwed the pooch against Ohio State. And his team did not look good from Duke through Clemson.

I've followed ND long enough to see some real inexplicable performances. I remember sitting in the rain watching Missouri, a 35-point underdog, which had gotten walloped the week before by Nebraska, just take Ara's '72 ND team to the woodshed. And I remember watching an average Georgia Tech team embarrass a Devine-coached team in 1976. There were too many to list during the Faust years, and even the sainted Lou Holtz coached some stinkers, including losses to average Stanford teams and even Air Force.

Sorry for going on and on. I do think Freeman has the chance to grow into an excellent coach. I think he'll always be defensive minded, but I think he has the kind of makeup that would allow him to succeed, although it may not be at ND,
This makes sense. Thanks for not bashing me but talking me off the ledge. What can I send you for Xmas?
 
You cannot compare Freeman’s third year with the “standard” of ND coaches that won National Championships.

This era with NIL and the Portal is an entirely different animal altogether.
Fair point. The NIU loss would be bad in any era tho and is inexcusable. The facts freeman has 3-4 of these kind of losses does not win empathy
 
Telx and anyone, are we rooting for USC to be 10-1 to help ND make a statement at the end of the season? 11-1 ND is in either way. 10-2 ND is likely out regardless of USC record.

Some people want USC to win every year for strength of schedule. Some people want the opposite.

Just curious. If ND loses to USC, it’s probably best for ND that it’s to a 10-1 USC rather than 7-4 USC. Then again, a mediocre USC weakens their program and helps ND recruiting.
I’m rooting for USC, I think, against PSU. A USC win could help put ND over a two loss PSU come playoff time.

I’ll still enjoy a USC loss though on some level.
 
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