For what its worth...
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When I'm in Nebraska the Platte River is ok, but I spend a great deal of time on the Colorado River at Rocky Mountain National Park, but when I'm back home in Alaska I'm on the Yukon River
BRAND X BRAND = ANTICIPATED MAJOR $$$$.
Can ND, the brand, "DELIVER" to the extent the Amazon brand can? I guess that's the PLAUSIBLE PROMISE/RISK FACTOR. And that CONTENT RISK -- ND's results -- is of course Amazon's, whereas ND has far less to worry about with Amazon as a DELIVERY SYSTEM.
But the key, though, may not be whether or not ND actually ever wins or even competes seriously for an NC, but rather if people CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THAT IT'S POSSIBLE. That apparently rakes in as much money as ACTUAL PREMIER RESULTS, something ND has failed to achieve since 88.
You have to hand it to ND in having been able to maintain PRIMO BRAND NAME POSITIONING despite SECOND-RATE RESULTS over a generation and a half.
But then, that's what many of the "best brands" do.
WHAT THEY PROMISE INDUCES FAITH.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE AMAZON BELIEVES.
ND fans will all sign up for Amazon. But casual fans will be less likely to watch the Irish play even if they have Amazon Prime. Switching between ABC, ESPN, FOX and NBC is one thing. Switching over to Amazon or AppleTV takes a bit more effort. It shouldn't be much of a difference as it only takes an extra ten seconds. But I think it will make a difference with casual college football fans. You don't want to be switching from cable to streaming to cable etc. That is why the PAC12 didn't want to go with streaming.
If ND had football players that were doctors and engineers and all graduated plus were in the hunt for a NC two or three times a decade , they would be thrilled. However, that is far from reality. The overwhelming majority of players you need to win at a high level aren’t rocket scientists. That’s not to say there aren’t players that are very intelligent and elite. Those players aren’t in abundance. Those are the players ND wants.
So it comes down to this. Does the ND administration put winning football championships as the priority ? I will let you all decide what the answer is. I will end with this. If ND wanted to be as good as Alabama, Georgia or Ohio state they could do it instantly.
So it comes down to this. Does the ND administration put winning football championships as the priority ? I will let you all decide what the answer is. I will end with this. If ND wanted to be as good as Alabama, Georgia or Ohio state they could do it instantly.
If I’m reading this correctly…. You are saying that the 5star players that cant get into into ND, want to come here, they just aren’t accepted, correct?
Im not sure that is the case. I think selling the ND vision to 5 star players in 2023 is much more difficult than it was in the late 80s and early 90s. Small, Catholic school, dorms separated by sex, parietals, intense course load, etc. I don’t see a ton of 5star kids saying they wish they could go to ND. Unfortunately, ND is not seen with the same lore as it was when we were on top 30 years ago.
ND is a special place, and it takes a special kid to want to come here. I’m sure lowering standards would help some, but I doubt it would automatically put us with the likes of Georgia.
It’s why kids like Kyngstonn Viliamu-asa are so vital to our programs success. Not a lot of top players think the way he does.
Well you are somewhat correct. All I am saying is that ND wants to be about academics first. If they can win while maintaining that , everyone is happy. However it difficult to do. Don’t get me wrong. I certainly do not want them to sell out and bring players in for the sake of winning. ND is still ND. Lots of history. I think they can win while maintaining their academic integrity. But it’s a balancing act. That’s the equation that needs to be figured out. Also with NIL and the transfer portal, it has become even more difficult. Regardless of how the football team performs, I’ll be a fan forever. And for the record, nothing is better when they win and win without selling their soul
Stetson Bennett was a sixth year QB at Georgia in 2022, won two consecutive national titles, and left Georgia not graduating. After 6 years.
Notre Dame will never allow that.
Georgia does.
Exactly. Many of the most highly regarded high school players are looking to get to the NFL in the quickest manner they can with the least amount of resistance along the way. Notre Dame does not fit that criteria.
I get it. Georgia isn’t Georgia because of Bennett tho. They’re Georgia because they get a significant amount of high 4 and 5 star players. I’m just wondering if those kids even want to come to ND, regardless if they can get accepted or not.
I love it. People will find it and prime has true hd 4k. The production value would be significantly higher. nd fans will find it, most probably have access to prime video already and just don't use it.
150 million Americans have Amazon prime. Penetration isn't an issue.
NBC is moving on from nd for all the right financial reasons. Big ten has wide range and followers,. Nd is limited to a few home games a year that are of interest. We’ll see where this goes. Nd versus Tennesse st. or indiana vs. michigan st. who gets more viewers
Why? Amazon is building their sports brand. They have NFL games as well and tons of money to spend.
Nbc could have been the Notre Dame Network and really done a ton more to make the relationship more profitable. They chose not to, and now we should be shopping
ND is not exactly that far off from dominating college football like Alabama, Georgia and Ohio State. Notre Dame has the same problem that Florida has Texas has Oklahoma has US C has and that is Alabama Georgia and Ohio State. I just that much more dominant. Take those three away, and Notre Dame might have an extra one to maybe three national championships to their name. I don’t think Kelly was that far off from winning at Notre Dame. He just couldn’t get over that final hurdle that lots of other schools can’t get over either.
Good luck in your new job, Echo.
Meanwhile, I'll be the guy struggling to figure out how to stream to my television if we go with Amazon.
Meanwhile, I'll be the guy struggling to figure out how to stream to my television if we go with Amazon.
And the proof of your last comment is that ND ONCE WAS as good as those other teams.
But the CFB landscape changed, and ND STOOD STOCK STILL.
There simply came a point where ND's academic philosophy wouldn't allow for the kind of EVOLUTION that was embraced by other schools.
Throw open the doors and enough money at a program, and most will move up in class, no problem. And with ND, as you say, it would happen in a heartbeat.
Of course, it ISN'T happening, leaving ND fans DREAMING OF annual HOLE-IN-ONE championships.
The point I am making is this. No matter how much we the fans want ND to become a yearly powerhouse, it will never ever happen if academics has to take a back seat. Winning while maintaining high academic standards is and has always been the goal.
I’m not sure about the hole in one championships. If anything, Kelly showed they can get to the playoffs. The question is, can they put together enough talent to go and win it all ? That remains to be seen. I am always in the camp of “ they can”. We shall see.
I wouldn’t consider a team that has been near the top in total wins and either made the playoffs or teetered on making the playoffs about 4-5 times in the last 10-12 years “2nd rate results”. I get that we’re all disappointed from not winning it all in a long time but to portray ND football as “2nd rate” recently is made up horseshit, but par for the course for this poster.
People under 25 don’t watch live TV, many of them don’t even have cable service. If live TV loses sports they are probably finished. Streaming is the near future. Advertisers will follow the $
Amazon doesn't need advertising to justify the expenditure...it's a cherry on top.
What ND would need us a home slate that drive people to watch. If the sec, big 12, and sec ever go to 10 game schedules it will be harder for ND to schedule a national level schedule. They would need a scheduling partner if the acc gets eaten up.
Brand and image are one and the same. ND's apparel deal and TV deal are major components of the Brand...since that Brand does not include conference affiliation (per se). How much of Bama's and Georgia's "brand" is "/SEC"? A bunch. The mega-conferencing that we are seeing will impact Notre Dame, and not in a good way. It has to. I am beginning to think that Notre Dame's "independence" is linked more and more to its "dependence"...on how other teams conference affiliation plays out. Will USC choose to keep ND on its schedule as a member of the B1G? Sounds crazy.....but how many mid-western or eastern teams can USC afford to schedule who aren't in the conference...especially now that Oregon and UW are added? Recently....ND's brand was as an ACC hybrid team. Fortunately, that appears to be phasing out now....so does the brand change? Of course it does....but to what? My point is....ND's brand is "independent"...but is more and more dependent on a finely balanced scheduling of opponents. My concern is the elites being willing to schedule ND when it provides diminishing returns for them. With the realignment revolution underway...I think that becomes a danger point for ND. Texas and Oklahoma want/need the "/SEC" component on their brand. That is no small thing.
Am sure those USC - Illinois games or Maryland-Indiana, maybe even Nebraska-Rutgers and UCLA- Northwestern will generate a lot of viewers
I'm 52 and haven't had cable in 10 years. A lot of people that watch ND on NBC are actually watching through Hulu Live or some other live streaming app. A move to Amazon wouldn't hurt them much in terms of viewership in the short term and may benefit them even more in the long term.
What will be annoying about Amazon is that you’ll have to watch it specifically on the Amazon app. To flip over to another game on a different network you’ll then have to go into a different app, like Hulu live our YouTube TV.
Certainly not the end of the world but wouldn’t be smooth unless the Amazon stream gets added to a new platform.
I fear like most things now with streaming it will be tedious before it gets easier
Yes, academics won't take a back seat, and that -- TO SOME EXTENT -- will continue to HANDICAP the football program. Those who think otherwise tend -- at least in my view -- to be MAGICAL THINKERS. ND may be the most SELF-CIRCUMSCRIBED TEAM of all time, but THAT'S STILL WHAT IT IS. And it has paid the price ANNUALLY for that for over THREE DECADES.
Yes, Kelly CAME CLOSE TO THE PIN, but missed the HOLE-IN-ONE. And in terms of championship game performances, ND also MISSED ALL OF ITS PUTTS. So, I'll stick with my ANALOGY. For ND to win an NC, it will all have to come together perfectly, while it's doubtful that can happen again ANY TIME SOON AFTERWARDS. Other teams are simply doing TOO MUCH MORE to allow it to be otherwise.
It's almost impossible to make it BIG TIME as a BOUTIQUE. In today's CFB, the EDUCATION PIECE has all but DISAPPEARED. Unless you run with the BIG DOGS, you will mostly get OUTGUNNED.
That dumb thing about Hulu, Sling, Pluto, Roku etc is that it looks exactly like a cable/sat package with mostly the same channels. Changing from cable to that streaming just makes the same programming go through more junctions. Very inefficient and the only benefit is to charge more money.
Im about ready to dump YouTube TV and go back to a digital antenna and philo. I need ESPN for a couple of weekends tops and I can get free trials for those weekends.
Not to mention streaming is typically about 30 seconds behind the cable stream. Doesn’t seem like much but texts come in quick from friends watching the game!
Nothing worse than getting a “oh no” text and having to watch the next play through the stream hahaha
That's what it looks like to me as well.
Of course, you can go ECONO PLAN and/or customize, and you don't have contracts or installation fees.
But I would bet that, over time, the average person has a hard time not adding more bells and whistles which merely jack up the cost, thereby negating the reason for switching in the first place.
We are an ACQUISITIVELY ADDICTED society and SUCKERS for ADDITIONAL STIMULUS via ADD-ONS.
We nickel and dime OURSELVES.
like Netflix, most have Amazon prime. It’s not a normal practice to fire up your “prime” for a football Saturday. You tend to channel surf games and switch. It’s a pain to swap streaming.
If you could choose, ESPN would be first. Quality broadcasting and good tie. Second would probably be CBS. NBC has never really been good. They switch from 1080 to 4k and their broadcasters are not great nor ND Fans.
Amazon will be good for ND fans and $$ so maybe who cares. But in the long run, Amazon would need to cover the adversing and NIL money.
If you could choose, ESPN would be first. Quality broadcasting and good tie. Second would probably be CBS. NBC has never really been good. They switch from 1080 to 4k and their broadcasters are not great nor ND Fans.
Amazon will be good for ND fans and $$ so maybe who cares. But in the long run, Amazon would need to cover the adversing and NIL money.
The question is will they turn one TV to Amazon amid all the games on broadcast tv. Not all bars have prime
5 years ago I could watch every Notre Dame game on cable . Even the away games were available on either abc or espn. The last 2 seasons has cost me at least 80-100 bucks in different networks that I had to sign up for to watch them play. Last season every week my wife would shake her head “ what network we gotta buy this week “ ??
