Emperor has no clothes -- FSU and Utes exposed as frauds

[theskibro]

finally caught up to them. Two over rated teams Golson has had a better season than I thought he would but he is still average compared to Kizer's season and I would take Wimbush or Malik in a heart beat

Movin on up to where we belong....

 

[shooter1977]

I wouldn't call FSU frauds, their defense is as good as any in the nation. But agree with your assessment on Golson. His energy level just seems so low for a QB1.

 

[IrishBlessings]

theskibro, agree on EG. as for fsu and utah - utah is actually not too bad. but, the cal bears w/ five turnovers almost beat them - then UCLA pounded CAL ? probably were over-rated. a lot of parity this season in CFB. Their are 10 to 12 top teams that could all beat each other on any given day. The 4 spots are wide open IMO.

We just need to win 1 at a time - find a way to get to 11-1 and see what happens. IF we can do that - I think we will look around and find us in the top 4.

 

[Weisnheimer]

finally caught up to them. Two over rated teams Golson has had a better season than I thought he would but he is still average compared to Kizer's season and I would take Wimbush or Malik in a heart beat

Movin on up to where we belong....

Hah! Agreed.

 

[zuskie]

"Exposed as frauds" is a ridiculous statement. They both had bad games as every team does throughout the season every year. FSU nearly won, but lost on a freak play. Utah has some quality wins, but got beat by a talented SC team. I don't like either of those teams and I love seeing teams ahead of ND lose...but it drives me nuts when people say that. Plenty of folks said it in 2012 for various games that ND played in which they didn't dominate. Did the Pitt game make them frauds? Hell, even the loss to Bama didn't make that ND team "frauds"...Bama played perfect & ND crapped the field.

 

[IrishBlessings]

As for EG - their was a 3rd down play near the goal line going in and he totally locked into 1 receiver and throws a dart that gets knocked down by the DB - he had a wide open RB out in the flat to his left that probably would of scored if he checked off and gone over to his left to the RB in the flat. When he came off the field Jimbo you could tell was frustrated and was trying to explain what EG did wrong and I swear it was deja vu all over - EG might as well been standing on the ND sideline - Jimbo was talking to him (calmly) but EG had that "faraway look" where he does not make eye contact w/ his coach and seems to be not listening to what the coach is telling him - almost aloof maybe - anyways - as much as I hated him leaving ND - It is becoming more and more apparent he has done a huge favor to ND by transferring - he'd be the ND starter right now and we would still have no clue what we have in #14. I just hope Kizer can keep it going - at some point he will have some serious rookie moments in a game - hopefully his teammates can pick him up when that happens.

 

[theskibro]

As for EG - their was a 3rd down play near the goal line going in and he totally locked into 1 receiver and throws a dart that gets knocked down by the DB - he had a wide open RB out in the flat to his left that probably would of scored if he checked off and gone over to his left to the RB in the flat. When he came off the field Jimbo you could tell was frustrated and was trying to explain what EG did wrong and I swear it was deja vu all over - EG might as well been standing on the ND sideline - Jimbo was talking to him (calmly) but EG had that "faraway look" where he does not make eye contact w/ his coach and seems to be not listening to what the coach is telling him - almost aloof maybe - anyways - as much as I hated him leaving ND - It is becoming more and more apparent he has done a huge favor to ND by transferring - he'd be the ND starter right now and we would still have no clue what we have in #14. I just hope Kizer can keep it going - at some point he will have some serious rookie moments in a game - hopefully his teammates can pick him up when that happens.

agree IB Never thought I would be anti Golson, but he just does not have it Something - maybe leadership, maybe focus -- is missing And he def does not have visual progressions.

As for the 2 teams I called frauds - perhaps harsh, but what I mean by fraud is that they are ranked ahead of ND and that is fraudulent ND would beat them both easily IMO Stanford could be a test but if we focus on the run and stopping McCaffrey, I like our chances

 

[bizzybecknd]

Agree with Zuskie.. You flat out have never played the game if you call those two teams frauds. What a sack-less bunch this board has become.

 

[bizzybecknd]

Are you saying Utah should have been ranked behind ND because you think ND would beat them? Nah, forget wins over Michigan, ASU, Cal, Oregon. Good lord.

 

[Telx1]

Seen every Utah game on TV this year. Felt all along they were overrated, but still a top twenty team. Their QB is a below average passer in my opinion, and a strong above average runner. Their defense is stout and plays physical, and they have a punishing running attack. Fully expected them to lose tonight because they don't match up well with USC's team speed, and USC showed last week that they will play for their interim coach. Utah nearly lost to Cal after making five interceptions, because of the same mismatch in team speed. Glad USC won and in a dominant manner, and Utah should be in our rear view mirror.
Didn't see the FSU game, but they were not exposed in the same way Utah was. Georgia Tech was due and glad they pulled one out of the hat. Both were essential wins for ND.

 

[bizzybecknd]

I completely agree, from this great state of Utah but they deserved every bit of their ranking. Bottom line.

 

[Weisnheimer]

Agree with Zuskie.. You flat out have never played the game if you call those two teams frauds. What a sack-less bunch this board has become.

Take a pill Beck. No one played a down because they disagree with you? BS. Neither of those teams are great by a mile. They aren't playoff great. I think that was the OPs point. Utah is not on a par with the big boys of football. Those teams they beat? Michigan? Oregon? ASU? Cal? yea...and what? pretty sure each of those have 2 losses and aren't going to any conf. championships this year.

 

[bizzybecknd]

He called them frauds. ND has not beaten a ranked team, so pump the brakes on calling others frauds. Utahs wins before today were way better than ND. Win and you don't have to call others frauds.

 

[bizzybecknd]

Not because they disagree with me but if you've ever played the game, you know when a team loses they aren't frauds.,. That's a media term.

 

[BGI User 348]

As for EG - their was a 3rd down play near the goal line going in and he totally locked into 1 receiver and throws a dart that gets knocked down by the DB - he had a wide open RB out in the flat to his left that probably would of scored if he checked off and gone over to his left to the RB in the flat. When he came off the field Jimbo you could tell was frustrated and was trying to explain what EG did wrong and I swear it was deja vu all over - EG might as well been standing on the ND sideline - Jimbo was talking to him (calmly) but EG had that "faraway look" where he does not make eye contact w/ his coach and seems to be not listening to what the coach is telling him - almost aloof maybe - anyways - as much as I hated him leaving ND - It is becoming more and more apparent he has done a huge favor to ND by transferring - he'd be the ND starter right now and we would still have no clue what we have in #14. I just hope Kizer can keep it going - at some point he will have some serious rookie moments in a game - hopefully his teammates can pick him up when that happens.

Amen!!!!! I am sure BK laughed watching that too. EG not mature enough yet. Ha!

 

[theskibro]

Not because they disagree with me but if you've ever played the game, you know when a team loses they aren't frauds.,. That's a media term.

Wow Beck. U r way off base. And u use z media term with " never played the game". Like everyone on this board had no valid opinion unless we suited up. Like Weis and other coaches have no clue cause they never played. Utah and FSU are good Teams but their high ranking was fraud.
Relax. ND is a much better team. And it is not just about the teams we played. But if u want to go there. We beat snot out of g t

 

[echowaker]

finally caught up to them. Two over rated teams Golson has had a better season than I thought he would but he is still average compared to Kizer's season and I would take Wimbush or Malik in a heart beat

Movin on up to where we belong....

hardly see how fsu losing on a fluke play makes them a fraud.

 

[HDK]

Amen!!!!! I am sure BK laughed watching that too. EG not mature enough yet. Ha!

I was very upset with Golson's decision to leave ND the way he did. I ultimately feel he owed it to both the school, which allowed him back after he was caught cheating, and to the team and coach, which put up with his shortcomings on and off the field, to come back.

I still think when he is good, he can be very, very good. When he is bad, he stinks up the joint. The fact is the guy made it halfway through the season without throwing an interception. I haven't watched FSU that much, but it is obvious that Fisher has been using Golson more as a game manager with short, easy passes, and relying on Cook to bust things open. I think Fisher has done an excellent job of keeping it simple for Golson. Hasn't he only thrown about 20 passes a game?--that's downright Holtzian.

So while I don't think you can hang last night's loss all on Golson, I'm not going to shed any tears for that weasel.

 

[HRC08]

He called them frauds. ND has not beaten a ranked team, so pump the brakes on calling others frauds. Utahs wins before today were way better than ND. Win and you don't have to call others frauds.

See that's the problem with college football. Teams don't play the same schedule. Question for you though what team that Utah beat would Notre Dame also not beat?

 

[DieHard_Irish]

"Exposed as frauds" is a ridiculous statement. They both had bad games as every team does throughout the season every year. FSU nearly won, but lost on a freak play. Utah has some quality wins, but got beat by a talented SC team. I don't like either of those teams and I love seeing teams ahead of ND lose...but it drives me nuts when people say that. Plenty of folks said it in 2012 for various games that ND played in which they didn't dominate. Did the Pitt game make them frauds? Hell, even the loss to Bama didn't make that ND team "frauds"...Bama played perfect & ND crapped the field.

^this ... Thank you

 

[Izo]

Mentioned this on my post. Golson was brought in to manage the FSU offense .Except for the Texas St and Loiusville games ,FSU has only averaged about 24 points in the other 5 games,certainly not a high powered offense .
Last year, Golson had been expected to do a lot more at ND under Kelly than he is doing at FSU under Fisher, this year .

It finally caught up with him (Golson) . You knew somewhere along the line ,he was going to make a mistake ,fumble ,interception.Very few if any QBs go through a an error free season.

 

[kellys heroes 35]

One play last night Golson rolled left and was running out of bounds and the ball was not secured at all , his patented one hand on the ball and not even hinting at tucking it away - if a defender was in the neighborhood it was a slam dunk strip .
That told me a lot about the kid - at a certain level he is arrogant and uncoachable . After his horrific travails last yr fumbling the football I would have thought he or anyone would finally adhere to the fundamentals re ball security not Golson -- also his two left handed passes were " cute "
Finally Golson leaving ND has turned our QB into a slightly precarious one for next yr re Wimbush is now in the same class w Kizer and a possible transfer becomes more of an issue imo . Golson was a self serving prick to have gone through spring practice w-o making his intentions known . Kelly did a great job of keeping cool re this issue w the media .

 

[DieHard_Irish]

^whoa whoa, easy there. Golson is a ND alum who left after graduating. He owes ND nothing beyond that. As a fellow alum I wish him nothing but success.

 

[NCDomer1]

FSU is no fraud by any means, but totally agree on Utah as being over rated and will have a few mote loss coming there way

 

[Weisnheimer]

He called them frauds. ND has not beaten a ranked team, so pump the brakes on calling others frauds. Utahs wins before today were way better than ND. Win and you don't have to call others frauds.

Well again, I took his fraud term to mean they are not playoff worthy.

I've seen the Utes QB play against SC and Cal and most of Michigan game. He's underwhelming. Maybe as disappointing as the TxA&M QB. They do have a good RB, and Covey as a freshman is great to watch. If they make the conf. championship it will be fun to see Covey against McCaffrey.

Rankings matter and that's unfortunate because it can sway the committee. But I think they get more realistic about 3/4 of the way through the season. Utah should get to the CC because the pac south is a mess. Stanford will beat them after we beat Stanford and that should knock out the pac12.

A big step forward was taken (as I said in another thread) if Ga Tech takes down Fla St. That happened. Now if Fla. St. beats Clemson at Clemson (along with the manner that happens) then, if it's between ND, Clem, and Fla St all with 1-loss and going for that last slot (with Baylor OSU, and LSU in), then my hope is that the committee actually rewatches those H2H games against each other, in full, and will see that Corey's TD drop was weather related perhaps because he catches most everything thrown to him, and Chris Browns fumble at the 2, were sure TDs against that vaunted defense of Clemson. That's 14 points heading to the 4th qtr, and a 21-17 deficit. Then the 2pt extra pts don't even come into play - and ND gets 3 more TDs in the 4th (17+21=38). Game over. ND wins.

As it turned out ND took Clemson to the last play of the game all the way (again) down the field to the last play of the game. And Clemson had more than enough opportunities to score with NDs 4 TOs.

That needs to be measured against Fla St last play of the game against Ga Tech, a game 3 weeks later in the season against a below .500 team and ND/Clemson were undefeated.

I don't believe Alabama has it this year. I think LSU can win their road game to represent the SEC.

 

[Toby Smart]

I'm no fan of EG since he left ND. Especially upon the way he left according to ND media, but, a quick fact check shows that DK has a better pass efficiency rating but EG has more passing yards per game, TD passes, total passing yards, and completion pct. EG has thrown a little over 50 more passes than DK. Draw your own conclusions.

 

[kellys heroes 35]

DK appears to have the demeanor " it factor " of a big time QB . His two deep balls to Fuller vs USC could not have been thrown any better by Peyton Manning . I saw Hogan miss a few guys wide open on deep balls last nite . Kizer makes those throws . Kizer is having a much better yr than Kyle Allen . Kudos to DK, BK and staff !! Having Fuller doesn't hurt

 

[Telx1]

Kizer has played well above the level any of us had any right to expect. He throws a great deep ball and as Kelly stated, he is very coachable and owns his mistakes. I am in the minority here in that I think he has a lot of weaknesses that need to be improved upon for us to make a serious run at the playoffs. I think he is slow to pull the trigger and I think he is slow with his progressions, and as a result, he misses too many wide open opportunities. I agree he has the "IT" factor in that he remains calm and most importantly, his teammates believe in him, as well they should. We need to CONTINUE to see improvement from Kizer in each game going forward.

 

[kellys heroes 35]

Fair observations Tex - Kelly sees what you see and will continue to tailor packages for him which have allowed him to have a 66% completion rate. I like Kizer ,his supporting cast and coaches have made this level of productivity possible . Not many third string QB's have their team in top 10 in the country with a QB rating that would be the envy of 95 % of the QB's in college football

Kelly did not win two coach of the year awards because of the color of his ties .

Consistent with what you are seeing it was Kizer playing outside of his comfort zone that had him attempt that pass vs Clemson that was picked off . He tried to " squeeze one " in there and the result was catastrophic to the outcome of the game ( Golson did the same thing last nite ) . Kelly stated the next day he had no right attempting that pass. Playing within himself is critical moving forward -- critical .

 

[basketlax41]

Another fraud is Msu. I have watched all their games and have walked away from everyone totally unimpressed. Not single player moves the needle for me other than cook. Waiting for them to get exposed as well.

 

[Toby Smart]

I don't think DK will be the worry if the Irish want to make a play-off run. I think it will be the defense, especially the run defense. That's just my opinion.

 

[theskibro]

I don't think DK will be the worry if the Irish want to make a play-off run. I think it will be the defense, especially the run defense. That's just my opinion.

Excellent points from Telx Weisenheiner and others

Look I do not disparage a yes'm easily. FSU and Utah are solid teams. Just not playoff worthy. Same with MSU

ND IMO is worthy and the best ND team since 93. Kizer has a slow trigger but upside and good head compared to Golson.

That comment Bizzy made about not suiting up is crap

 

[Pennick4]

I'm no fan of EG since he left ND. Especially upon the way he left according to ND media, but, a quick fact check shows that DK has a better pass efficiency rating but EG has more passing yards per game, TD passes, total passing yards, and completion pct. EG has thrown a little over 50 more passes than DK. Draw your own conclusions.

I would rather go to battle with DK.

 

[Duo]

finally caught up to them. Two over rated teams Golson has had a better season than I thought he would but he is still average compared to Kizer's season and I would take Wimbush or Malik in a heart beat

Movin on up to where we belong....

Is this the post that will JINX ND ?

 

[mokpra37]

Duo, you couldn't be more childish. Then again, it is what we have come to expect from you. Go back to the FSU board and lick your wounds there.

 

[Toby Smart]

Duo is the one who spent a better part of a week or so "warning" this board about the lethal Georgia Tech option. When I say "warning", I mean "trolling". And like another poster said, I would take DK over EG any day, any time.