College Advisory Committee

[NDinNJ]

A very good read. Discusses the exhaustive process the NFL goes through when evaluating players prior to the draft. Only 1.6% of college players make it to the NFL.

Also an interesting take on players declaring early and foregoing graduation. One particular quote from an NFL executive:
“While some like to debate the advantages of declaring early for the draft, one thing is for certain: Completing your education affords you more opportunity and financial freedom beyond football.”
TROY VINCENT, SR., EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT, NFL FOOTBALL OPERATIONS

I would hope the staff at Notre Dame are using these statistics and info from the NFL to distinguish ND from the football factories.

College Advisory Committee | NFL Football Operations

operations.nfl.com

 

[sjb75]

A very good read. Discusses the exhaustive process the NFL goes through when evaluating players prior to the draft. Only 1.6% of college players make it to the NFL.

Also an interesting take on players declaring early and foregoing graduation. One particular quote from an NFL executive:
“While some like to debate the advantages of declaring early for the draft, one thing is for certain: Completing your education affords you more opportunity and financial freedom beyond football.”
TROY VINCENT, SR., EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT, NFL FOOTBALL OPERATIONS

I would hope the staff at Notre Dame are using these statistics and info from the NFL to distinguish ND from the football factories.

College Advisory Committee | NFL Football Operations

operations.nfl.com

Blake Fisher made the right decision.

 

[Golson5]

Blake Fisher made the right decision.

IMO you have no idea if Blake Fisher made the right decision or not

See how that works.....

 

[NDinNJ]

Blake Fisher made the right decision.

He was a projected 2nd round pick by NFL scouts so of course he did. The NFL knows how to evaluate.

 

[Golson5]

He was a projected 2nd round pick by NFL scouts so of course he did. The NFL knows how to evaluate.

They evaluated Brady and Montana perfectly.

Also they nailed Jamarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf.


The NFL knows how to evaluate.

 

[NDinNJ]

They evaluated Brady and Montana perfectly.

Also they nailed Jamarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf.


The NFL knows how to evaluate.

You take the exceptions. Of course it's not perfect, but when they are almost 90% accurate, yes I would say they know how to evaluate.

 

[Golson5]

You take the exceptions. Of course it's not perfect, but when they are almost 90% accurate, yes I would say they know how to evaluate.

90% accurate. Do you have data on that? Not a chance with the Raiders Browns Panthers Jaguars etc being bad all the time.

Bryce Young Tim Couch almost every Raiders 1st rd draft pick for the last 25 years. I can go on and on.

Some teams draft well. Some teams draft horribly. But 90% is a wild statement

Mac Jones Trey Lance. There's so many bad picks every year

 

[NDinNJ]

90% accurate. Do you have data on that? Not a chance with the Raiders Browns Panthers Jaguars etc being bad all the time.

Bryce Young Tim Couch almost every Raiders 1st rd draft pick for the last 25 years. I can go on and on.

Some teams draft well. Some teams draft horribly. But 90% is a wild statement

Mac Jones Trey Lance. There's so many bad picks every year

Some of It's in the article, learn how to research.

 

[sjb75]

He was a projected 2nd round pick by NFL scouts so of course he did. The NFL knows how to evaluate.

100.

 

[Golson5]

Some of It's in the article, learn how to resear

No it's not. That's on stay or go decisions. And where they think the player will go to where they actually go.

It's not if the evaluation was correct on how good the player is in the NFL

Learn to read your own article.

2 totally different arguments

 

[NDinNJ]

No it's not. That's on stay or go decisions. And where they think the player will go to where they actually go.

It's not if the evaluation was correct on how good the player is in the NFL

Learn to read your own article.

2 totally different arguments

The article is discussing evaluating players for the draft. Do your research. I can't help that you can't understand the topic at hand. The NFL knows how to evaluate college players hence why they are so accurate with 1st and 2nd round picks, because those athletes actually have 1st and 2nd round talent. You are such a loser, you're pathetic really.,

 

[Golson5]

Do your research. I can't help that you can't read. Most on this forum know you're a loser.

You know you're wrong when that's all you got. You call me a loser. I call you troll and moron and back and forth we go because you can't come up with an opinion of your own

You used an article and it's based off stay or go college decisions and where the players will be drafted.

Not if their 1st rd grade of a Bryce Young was a good evaluation (it wasnt)

Read it again because you are wrong

 

[sjb75]

Many of the problems with Bryce Young IMO is the team he plays for. The lousy organization that drafted him.

Let Bryce Young develop under a Ben Johnson or a Kyle Shanahan, you could have a different outcome.

IMO there was nothing wrong with the evaluation of Bryce Young. He simply plays for a shit organization/

 

[Golson5]

Many of the problems with Bryce Young is the team he played for.

He's just one of many examples. But I personally don't think so. But that's to be determined.

He's a small guy with not a huge arm and not overly athletic.

We'll see down the road how that works out but I think it will be shown that he was way overdrafted.

 

[NDinNJ]

He's just one of many examples. But I personally don't think so. But that's to be determined.

He's a small guy with not a huge arm and not overly athletic.

We'll see down the road how that works out but I think it will be shown that he was way overdrafted.

You want data on this.
"The data shows that of the 46 players inducted into the Hall of Fame whose careers began between 1994 and 2009, 32 were selected in the NFL Draft’s first round."

Looking at Pro Bowl selection data from 2010-2023 for players who started their NFL careers between 2010-2020, we see that players selected in the first three rounds comprise over 75% of the total Pro Bowl selections, despite making up less than 25% of the players in the pool.

"Looking at players drafted between 2010-2020 who played between 2010-2023, we see a strong relationship between draft selection and average number of games per season started. First-round draft picks start an average of 10 games per season played, while seventh-round draft picks only start an average of 1.87 games."

Yea the NFL knows how to evaluate. they aren't perfect, no one is, but they are very good at it.

 

[echowaker]

90% accurate. Do you have data on that? Not a chance with the Raiders Browns Panthers Jaguars etc being bad all the time.

Bryce Young Tim Couch almost every Raiders 1st rd draft pick for the last 25 years. I can go on and on.

Some teams draft well. Some teams draft horribly. But 90% is a wild statement

Mac Jones Trey Lance. There's so many bad picks every year

Tim Couch is a horrible example. No QB ever would have found success in that situation. He never had a chance. It wasn't an error in evaluation at all.

 

[Quix0te]

". . . to distinguish ND from the football factories. . . ."

Har! Har! Har! You make hilarious funny!

 

[burmafrd1943]

You want data on this.
"The data shows that of the 46 players inducted into the Hall of Fame whose careers began between 1994 and 2009, 32 were selected in the NFL Draft’s first round."

Looking at Pro Bowl selection data from 2010-2023 for players who started their NFL careers between 2010-2020, we see that players selected in the first three rounds comprise over 75% of the total Pro Bowl selections, despite making up less than 25% of the players in the pool.

"Looking at players drafted between 2010-2020 who played between 2010-2023, we see a strong relationship between draft selection and average number of games per season started. First-round draft picks start an average of 10 games per season played, while seventh-round draft picks only start an average of 1.87 games."

Yea the NFL knows how to evaluate. they aren't perfect, no one is, but they are very good at it.

the vast majority of the worst mistakes are made in two areas: QBs and picking ATHLETES over players; chosing a player not because of what the film showed but because of measurements and so called potential not shown on the field

and it is coaches and GMs that usually make the mistakes; the scouts in the NFL are very good; the problem is that often they are not listened to as they should be

the evaluation board is pretty good but when you are talking human beings there are going to be a fair number of mistakes in all areas

 

[Holycrossover3]

Many of the problems with Bryce Young IMO is the team he plays for. The lousy organization that drafted him.

Let Bryce Young develop under a Ben Johnson or a Kyle Shanahan, you could have a different outcome.

IMO there was nothing wrong with the evaluation of Bryce Young. He simply plays for a shit organization/

Some good examples of this are Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Jared Goff, among others. Look how much better they perform in a more established organization.

Imagine Brock Purdy and Bryce Young switching organizations right now. I would imagine the production would be similar for each team.

Brady Quinn & Jimmy Clausen are good examples of high talent QBs who never had a chance to perform on a good team.

 

[Golson5]

You want data on this.
"The data shows that of the 46 players inducted into the Hall of Fame whose careers began between 1994 and 2009, 32 were selected in the NFL Draft’s first round."

Looking at Pro Bowl selection data from 2010-2023 for players who started their NFL careers between 2010-2020, we see that players selected in the first three rounds comprise over 75% of the total Pro Bowl selections, despite making up less than 25% of the players in the pool.

"Looking at players drafted between 2010-2020 who played between 2010-2023, we see a strong relationship between draft selection and average number of games per season started. First-round draft picks start an average of 10 games per season played, while seventh-round draft picks only start an average of 1.87 games."

Yea the NFL knows how to evaluate. they aren't perfect, no one is, but they are very good at it.

What about all the first rounders who were washed out of the league after 5 years?

The NFL doesn't hit close to 90%. You used the wrong argument for that number. It's okay to admit you were wrong

That number was used in a completely different context. You are more sick on that number being wrong but because it is me, you can't say oh yeah that was for something different. If Patty or someone else wrote that, you would be like yeah you are right. That 90% wasn't meant as a hit rate on nfl players

 

[Golson5]

Tim Couch is a horrible example. No QB ever would have found success in that situation. He never had a chance. It wasn't an error in evaluation at all.

He's a great example because he sstunk in the NFL and was drafted in the first rd. He had a chance just wasn't good enough

If you don't like that example, I'll give you Johnny Manziel and Brady Quinn. How about Jimmy Clausen? Have any more excuses for them? Branden Weeden?

Jamarcus Russell? Ryan Leaf? Mac Jones? Trey Lance?

I can keep going

 

[NDinNJ]

What about all the first rounders who were washed out of the league after 5 years?

The NFL doesn't hit close to 90%. You used the wrong argument for that number. It's okay to admit you were wrong

That number was used in a completely different context. You are more sick on that number being wrong but because it is me, you can't say oh yeah that was for something different. If Patty or someone else wrote that, you would be like yeah you are right. That 90% wasn't meant as a hit rate on nfl players

You don't or refuse to read the data. The only examples you provide are QB's 😂
You have no clue. You don't even know what percentage of QB's have been drafted in the 1st 3 rounds of the draft over the past 24 years.

1st 3 rounds of the NFL draft from 2000-2024 totals 2,304 total picks. Of that only 132 QB's were drafted. That makes up a mere 5.7% of the total number of picks in the first 3 rounds.

Even if every single QB drafted in the 1st 3 rounds was a bust Which is not the case, that only makes up 5.7% miss in teams evaluating athletes in the first 3 rounds.

Washington out after 5 years. The average NFL career is around 3 years. Football is a brutal sport, injuries end players careers, more than any other sport.

I started this thread, you're the one who chimed in, because you are obsessed.

Yea the NFL is really good at evaluating athletes.

I'll respond when you come back with some actual data, and not your delusional opinion of what you believe to be reality.