Whatever, it was his funeral. He went to the NFL - early and less prepared than he could have been - and he was a bust there too. So naturally he blundered yet again, and he didn't have anywhere near the tools, talent or equipment to write his own ticket like he seemed to think he was just going to be able to do. Probably because he was still under laboring under the delusion of his HS days.
You know that I ignored you, right? I'm sure you saw where I announced that to the board. And I really did put you on ignore but it's not working and I could still see your post, the one I'm responding to right now. It was a real humdinger too. Another terse, dare I say pithy little burst of cutting commentary. Enlightening, stimulating, satisfying. What a tool....
Kizer might be the most underrated in BK era. Way outperformed anything Crist or Kiel ever could have. QB is such a shit show with recruiting. They should cut the number of 5 stars in half at least. Most end up terrible college players.
Kizer was a 4 star and wasn't jimmy or Dayne highly recruited, but he had a darn good offer list.
When you get to the finals you’re gonna face a 5 star top 5 overall at QB. Often they will be generational talents. You better bring one.
I agree we need to recruit the qb position better but...
I'm not disagreeing, but i'm just pointing out Kizer wasn't a 3 star that maybe just a few power 5 schools were interested in.
If we get a 5, we get one that is low 5. We never secure the top kid, besides JC. Being that we have been in the playoffs twice and our 2012 season, it seems ND is due for a #1 overall players, or at least a top 5. We are clearly outperforming our recruiting rankings, which is all credited to coaching.
I disagree on the development. I agree on the recruiting. We rank between 10-20 most years in recruiting, yet we finish top 5 or above 10-20 every season. That's the very definition of development, evidenced success on the field.
Well, Jimmy could have but decided it better to leave early and that was a big mistake really, but I don't blame him as he was part of the complete shit show that Fat Chuck put together so why risk the unknown with BK.....
Under Kelly we've finished by year....... unranked, unranked, 4th, 20th,unkranked, 11th, unranked, 11th, 5th, 12th, 5th
How would you ever know? It's impossible to know right now. Buchner has hardly played any football in the last three years. Buchner will benefit from an OLine, something Jimmy never really had but still had some impressive college numbers. Let's see Buchner play at least one college game, assuming he does before we start this comparison.
When you struggle throwing in 7 on 7 drills that doesn't bode well. Same thing happened to Wimbush but he at least had insane elite athleticism and running abilities for QB, it happened with Phil, and he still struggles with easy throws, and tyler last year looked bad at times in camps.
No, I cannot disagree with you there. He looked pretty bad in the elite 8. (almost as bad as Ian's long ball on Pro Day). What where the heck did he pick up that sidearm throw? But time will tell. At this point, I still do not believe we have an elite QB that can take us to the promised land. Our offense has been regressing the last two years. Too bad we slow-played Ty Simpson that had a genuine interest in ND, but we only got him an offer a few weeks before signing day.
I think he could be. It's really hard to tell since we really don't have much on him other than one year of HS against sub-par competition, and the elite 8 that well....was not so good. I think it will be a couple of years to see what we really have. He's got a big learning curve between not playing (no fault of his own), and what appears to look like getting some really bad training on his mechanics.
You could tell if someone is an athlete just by watching a few clips. And he is one. Now we'll see how he performs at QB, that's another question
I don’t know that he’s elite or elite talented, if he was either at this point he’d be competing for PT. His regression throwing the ball is disappointing. Hope he gets it back.
IMO Clausen was a lot like Jeff George. Million dollar arm, 10 cent head.
Jeff George had a rocket right arm. Clausen was accurate and not an elite arm. Mentally, Clausen was fine
Clausen's family had seats in my section his 3 years. Absolute assholes, rude entitled family.
What does that have to do with him? If we were all judged by our parents, that would be silly
We’re talking about his play on field. Mentally sharp football player. Clearly some 16-23 year old cockiness issues without being able to completely back it up.
i know, and I was agreeing. His parents being pissy with people annoying them had nothing to do with his play.
That’s plenty of athlete. His problem is the good teams will have QB’s with 3-4 YEARS of high level football experience. Highest level. If he isn’t in competition now he won’t be in it barring injury. That’s a tough road for Tyler. Gone be Pyne starting with Coan getting lots of time.
From reading this whole thread, it appears that the only portion of the fan base that Clausen poisoned is you. No one else has much of a problem with him. Certainly there have been other guys from ND who left for the NFL early and clearly others who have embarrassed and/or disgraced the University. Nonetheless, Clausen seems to be the singular focus of your ire. Why is that?
Sorry man, but you're wrong. Clausen was a nightmare in every respect. I know you want the moral high ground as a fan but you don't get it until you put JC in his rightful place which is well, well below either BQ or certainly Ian Book. Even with me taking liberties speaking about Clausen in the way that I have in this thread, which is largely born out of frustration with all the shit that a clearly, demonstrably superior QB like Ian Book has to take from the peanut gallery.
Do you ever have anything original to say? It’s the same shit with you all the time.
