I'd love to see the averages on this play over the year. Just seems to be a disaster waiting to happen every time. I know we've got some good gains, but man I have to hold my breath when I see it coming.
Bubble Screen
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It requires a special receiver. When you have that, then it can be the defense holding its breath. When Will Fuller caught one or Rocket, you thought it could go to the house every time. Without that receiver...
I guess Chip Long doesn't have a whole lot of confidence in CJ, huh?
The play as an isolated play may only average a very modest gain. Let's say just for argument sake that it only gets barely over 2 yards per play. However, how does that play fit into the formation and down/distance schemes? That's where the good discussion happens. Maybe we run a WR bubble or jet/rocket screen 2-3 times in the first half. The 3rd quarter, we come out in the same formation in a similar down and distance...is there a counter play and motion that would get the defense thinking that it's another bubble screen but then they get hit with a well-blocked run play backside, or a fake bubble with intermediate and deep routes to take advantage of the defense's anticipation?
In short, if we are running these plays in isolation hoping for a big gain, then it's a waste.
If we are running these plays as a part of a scheme to find a seam or weakness to exploit in the next series/quarter, then I'm ok with a minimal gain.
In short, if we are running these plays in isolation hoping for a big gain, then it's a waste.
If we are running these plays as a part of a scheme to find a seam or weakness to exploit in the next series/quarter, then I'm ok with a minimal gain.
Maybe they have a variation of this play in the playbook where QB pump fakes and receiver goes on fly route. It might work since opposing teams' DBs have been aggressively coming up to defend this play all year....
I hate this play in our playbook. Whoever said the rocket screen...its not the same play. The rocket screen comes back against the grain. It's designed to use the defense speed against itself.
This is just a forward spot pass. Nothing fancy about it. But it's flirting with disaster for sure.
Claypool catching it takes him away from blocking for it. That's a huge problem because no other WR blocks really well in the team or at the level needed to get good yards om this play.
Against some strong corners this play is trouble for us.
This is just a forward spot pass. Nothing fancy about it. But it's flirting with disaster for sure.
Claypool catching it takes him away from blocking for it. That's a huge problem because no other WR blocks really well in the team or at the level needed to get good yards om this play.
Against some strong corners this play is trouble for us.
Ease up know-it-all. Rocket screen comes towards the QB, bubble screen goes away. That wasn’t the point though. The point was how it’s used within the formations and schemes. If you really want to nitpick every little thing a poster says then let’s start a new thread on the differences between rocket and bubble screens, how many blockers can be utilized and where they will come from in various formations. Then let’s look at how many ND runs in each formation against various defensive sets and coverages. Just stop it with the all-mighty all-knowing crap you’ve been spouting over the past few months. But even then, you still missed the entire point of what was said.
I didn't miss anything.
How about this...read what I posted to completion and you will see clearly that the rocket screen I put little subject matter into but what I stress is the lack of blocking on the BUBBLE screen. If we run this with Claypool catching the ball then it takes him away from blocking. He's by far our best blocker. I don't know if they feel he'll break tackles being the reciever on this specific play... But it's disaster written all over it.
We have no idea if they're trying to set up another play coming off running this play ....but even if that's the intent this play is flirting with disaster every time we run it ESPECIALLY when Claypool is not blocking but the screen recipient.
It takes too long for the ball to get to the receiver. Everyone I've seen us run usually has two defenders already there when the ball gets there. You need to take the snap and just fire it out to the receiver. Either Wimbush looks for too long or something in the formation is tipping the play.
I don’t think he’s talking about that Jail Break screen Fuller was Deadleeeee on. Idk that the Irish have run that one this year. Maybe this is the game? I think he’s talking about the sideline pass more of like a quick pass then a screen.
He’s a ghost this year. You’d think he could use him but with the other wrs it’s hard to gain any traction.
Sometimes. But it’s also execution. The Pats have run these little scorers, quasi picks, etc., with receivers who weren’t all that special until they played for the Pats.
I don't really care for bubble screens especially if we are running the ball well during the game. I prefer bubble screens with play action concepts. We should he running that for Stepherson and St. Brown it would be lethal imo.
